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09-17-2008
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| | some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only transparent, so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't choose color at all. 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us icons back soon. 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich addresses and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added or saed with a simple mouse over? 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail functions: please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the ones in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such "bubbles", "dinosaur" and so on... 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live Photogallery: I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, now I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to choose background color for the visualization? Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation of the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems now more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in WLM or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new photos, but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute to a better interaction with the products |
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09-17-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final release. Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it (or not) in another week. Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. Stacia "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message news  56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: > > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only > transparent, > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't > choose > color at all. > > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: > > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us > icons back soon. > > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: > > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich addresses > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added > or > saed with a simple mouse over? > > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail > functions: > > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the ones > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such > "bubbles", > "dinosaur" and so on... > > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live > Photogallery: > > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, > now > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar > > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to > choose background color for the visualization? > > > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation > of > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems > now > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in > WLM > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new photos, > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute to > a > better interaction with the products |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" <staciascott@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#MlqhvRGJHA.536@xxxxxx Quote: > Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. > > Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final > release. > Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. > I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it > (or not) in another week. buttons and no menus. Now you seem to be going in the opposite direction! Why can't we stick to the Outlook Express model of having icons only or icons+ text? When WLM 1 was released a common complaint was that we couldn't get rid of the text to allow more horizontal space. Instead you've done the opposite and got rid of the icons! As others have said it's easier to recognise a graphic than read text. For example, under the old model I would start with icons + text. Once I'd learnt what everything was I would then switch off the text. Kevin |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 Give me icons, or give me death. "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" <staciascott@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#MlqhvRGJHA.536@xxxxxx Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final release. Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it (or not) in another week. Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. Stacia "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: > > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only > transparent, > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't > choose > color at all. > > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: > > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us > icons back soon. > > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: > > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich addresses > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added > or > saed with a simple mouse over? > > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail > functions: > > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the ones > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such > "bubbles", > "dinosaur" and so on... > > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live > Photogallery: > > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, > now > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar > > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to > choose background color for the visualization? > > > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation > of > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems > now > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in > WLM > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new photos, > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute to > a > better interaction with the products |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 I get nostalgic MS-DOS 3.0 memories looking at that mostly icon-less toolbar! -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "BChat" <BChat@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23guO7xaGJHA.4228@xxxxxx Quote: > Give me icons, or give me death. > > > > "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" <staciascott@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:#MlqhvRGJHA.536@xxxxxx > Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. > > Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final > release. > Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. > I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it > (or not) in another week. > Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. > > Stacia > > "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: >> 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: >> >> in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really >> black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only >> transparent, >> so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't >> choose >> color at all. >> >> 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: >> >> without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us >> icons back soon. >> >> 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: >> >> It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich addresses >> and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added >> or >> saed with a simple mouse over? >> >> 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail >> functions: >> >> please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the ones >> in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I >> can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such >> "bubbles", >> "dinosaur" and so on... >> >> 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live >> Photogallery: >> >> I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, >> now >> I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar >> >> 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to >> choose background color for the visualization? >> >> >> Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation >> of >> the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems >> now >> more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in >> WLM >> or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new photos, >> but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute to >> a >> better interaction with the products |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 It will be changed ASAP - no way it is left iconless - no way at all BChat "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ukDHNDbGJHA.4692@xxxxxx I get nostalgic MS-DOS 3.0 memories looking at that mostly icon-less toolbar! -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "BChat" <BChat@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23guO7xaGJHA.4228@xxxxxx Quote: > Give me icons, or give me death. > > > > "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" <staciascott@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:#MlqhvRGJHA.536@xxxxxx > Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. > > Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final > release. > Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. > I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it > (or not) in another week. > Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. > > Stacia > > "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: >> 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: >> >> in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really >> black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only >> transparent, >> so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't >> choose >> color at all. >> >> 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: >> >> without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us >> icons back soon. >> >> 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: >> >> It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich >> addresses >> and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added >> or >> saed with a simple mouse over? >> >> 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail >> functions: >> >> please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the >> ones >> in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I >> can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such >> "bubbles", >> "dinosaur" and so on... >> >> 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live >> Photogallery: >> >> I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, >> now >> I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar >> >> 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to >> choose background color for the visualization? >> >> >> Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation >> of >> the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems >> now >> more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in >> WLM >> or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new >> photos, >> but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute >> to >> a >> better interaction with the products |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 Hi Stacia, Quick question: What was the reason for having an all-text toolbar in WLM Wave 3, and who was this tested on that decided (if any that) that it was good idea? It's not a good idea, it's actually confusing. Sterling -- Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 (w/IE7Pro) Windows Live OneCare Windows Live Mail (Wave 3) "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" wrote: Quote: > Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. > > Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final > release. > Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. > I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like it > (or not) in another week. > Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. > > Stacia > > "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: > > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: > > > > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is really > > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only > > transparent, > > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't > > choose > > color at all. > > > > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: > > > > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give us > > icons back soon. > > > > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: > > > > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich addresses > > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be added > > or > > saed with a simple mouse over? > > > > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail > > functions: > > > > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the ones > > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, I > > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such > > "bubbles", > > "dinosaur" and so on... > > > > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live > > Photogallery: > > > > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, > > now > > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar > > > > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to > > choose background color for the visualization? > > > > > > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every innovation > > of > > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems > > now > > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in > > WLM > > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new photos, > > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute to > > a > > better interaction with the products > |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 How in the world can text be confusing? You apparently has an understanding of the language since you posted in English. To me, Icons are a heck of a lot more confusing than plain text. -- ©LarryEº "Sterling" <Sterling@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:B059F569-AA83-406D-AE8B-16F395B60AFF@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi Stacia, > > Quick question: What was the reason for having an all-text toolbar in WLM > Wave 3, and who was this tested on that decided (if any that) that it was > good idea? It's not a good idea, it's actually confusing. > > Sterling > > -- > Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition > Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 (w/IE7Pro) > Windows Live OneCare > Windows Live Mail (Wave 3) > > > "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" wrote: > Quote: >> Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. >> >> Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final >> release. >> Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. >> I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like >> it >> (or not) in another week. >> Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. >> >> Stacia >> >> "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: >> > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: >> > >> > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is >> > really >> > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only >> > transparent, >> > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't >> > choose >> > color at all. >> > >> > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: >> > >> > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give >> > us >> > icons back soon. >> > >> > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: >> > >> > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich >> > addresses >> > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be >> > added >> > or >> > saed with a simple mouse over? >> > >> > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail >> > functions: >> > >> > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the >> > ones >> > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, >> > I >> > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such >> > "bubbles", >> > "dinosaur" and so on... >> > >> > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live >> > Photogallery: >> > >> > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, >> > now >> > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar >> > >> > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to >> > choose background color for the visualization? >> > >> > >> > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every >> > innovation >> > of >> > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems >> > now >> > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in >> > WLM >> > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new >> > photos, >> > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute >> > to >> > a >> > better interaction with the products >> |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 Focus group studies have been done on this, which is why icons have gotten more popular over the years. Once you learn a specific icon, the human eye recognizes it much quicker than reading a text label. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "©LarryEº" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OoxtBXbGJHA.3288@xxxxxx Quote: > How in the world can text be confusing? You apparently has an understanding > of the language since you posted in English. To me, Icons are a heck of a > lot more confusing than plain text. > -- > ©LarryEº > > "Sterling" <Sterling@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:B059F569-AA83-406D-AE8B-16F395B60AFF@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi Stacia, >> >> Quick question: What was the reason for having an all-text toolbar in WLM >> Wave 3, and who was this tested on that decided (if any that) that it was >> good idea? It's not a good idea, it's actually confusing. >> >> Sterling >> >> -- >> Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition >> Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 (w/IE7Pro) >> Windows Live OneCare >> Windows Live Mail (Wave 3) >> >> >> "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" wrote: >> Quote: >>> Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. >>> >>> Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final >>> release. >>> Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. >>> I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like >>> it >>> (or not) in another week. >>> Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. >>> >>> Stacia >>> >>> "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxx>>> > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: >>> > >>> > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is >>> > really >>> > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only >>> > transparent, >>> > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't >>> > choose >>> > color at all. >>> > >>> > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: >>> > >>> > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give >>> > us >>> > icons back soon. >>> > >>> > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: >>> > >>> > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich >>> > addresses >>> > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be >>> > added >>> > or >>> > saed with a simple mouse over? >>> > >>> > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail >>> > functions: >>> > >>> > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the >>> > ones >>> > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, >>> > I >>> > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such >>> > "bubbles", >>> > "dinosaur" and so on... >>> > >>> > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live >>> > Photogallery: >>> > >>> > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, >>> > now >>> > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar >>> > >>> > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to >>> > choose background color for the visualization? >>> > >>> > >>> > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every >>> > innovation >>> > of >>> > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems >>> > now >>> > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in >>> > WLM >>> > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new >>> > photos, >>> > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute >>> > to >>> > a >>> > better interaction with the products >>> >>> |
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09-18-2008
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| | Re: some doubts about Windows Live wave 3 It is a matter of space for one, text uses more of it. Icons are quickly recognized, no reading needed;-) The chance to choose one or the other would be ideal IMO. BChat "©LarryEº" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OoxtBXbGJHA.3288@xxxxxx How in the world can text be confusing? You apparently has an understanding of the language since you posted in English. To me, Icons are a heck of a lot more confusing than plain text. -- ©LarryEº "Sterling" <Sterling@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:B059F569-AA83-406D-AE8B-16F395B60AFF@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi Stacia, > > Quick question: What was the reason for having an all-text toolbar in WLM > Wave 3, and who was this tested on that decided (if any that) that it was > good idea? It's not a good idea, it's actually confusing. > > Sterling > > -- > Windows XP (SP3) Media Center Edition > Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 (w/IE7Pro) > Windows Live OneCare > Windows Live Mail (Wave 3) > > > "Stacia Scott [MSFT]" wrote: > Quote: >> Sonic, good feedback -- thanks. >> >> Re #1, you'll see some further UI standardization as we get to the final >> release. >> Re #2, it's definitely a change to not have the icons, but give it a try. >> I'd be interested to know if you've gotten used to it (or not) and like >> it >> (or not) in another week. >> Re #3-6, these are great feature suggestions. Noted. >> >> Stacia >> >> "Sonic" <Sonic@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news 56BEFA4-985F-456C-8912-8EA1389B3453@xxxxxxQuote: >> > 1) The GUI isn't consistent at all throughout the entire suite: >> > >> > in windows live messenger I can choose a black skin color that is >> > really >> > black, in windows live mail I can choose color but they are only >> > transparent, >> > so black isn't really black and in windows live photo gallery I can't >> > choose >> > color at all. >> > >> > 2) Toolbar icons disappeared: >> > >> > without icons commands are difficult to recognize and use, please give >> > us >> > icons back soon. >> > >> > 3) Still no quick recognize of events and addresses: >> > >> > It's so difficult to implement something like Apple Mail in wich >> > addresses >> > and eventsin the mail text are recognized automatically and can be >> > added >> > or >> > saed with a simple mouse over? >> > >> > 4) Still old and unuseful stationery templates and limited photmail >> > functions: >> > >> > please give us a credible collection of stationery templates like the >> > ones >> > in Apple Mail and more powerful photomail functions like that program, >> > I >> > can't believe you really think I can make a mail with things such >> > "bubbles", >> > "dinosaur" and so on... >> > >> > 5) I personally don't like the new commands interface in Windows Live >> > Photogallery: >> > >> > I think that the previous Vista like interface was way more functional, >> > now >> > I can't even launch a slideshow without moving cursor to the upside bar >> > >> > 6) And what about adding new ways of arrange photos and the ability to >> > choose background color for the visualization? >> > >> > >> > Just to don't give a wrong idea, I've also liked almost every >> > innovation >> > of >> > the suite, in particular Windows Live messenger. All the programs seems >> > now >> > more quick to start up and fluid and I like the calendar integration in >> > WLM >> > or the people recognition and the possibility to view friend's new >> > photos, >> > but I think the functions above are really important and can contribute >> > to >> > a >> > better interaction with the products >> |
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