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Old 10-30-2008   #1 (permalink)
Retief


 
 

Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in Delet

I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
"Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
flow:

1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
2. Delete the message
3. Can't find it in Deleted

I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
Any thoughts?

Thanks


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Old 10-30-2008   #2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in Delet

Make sure your 'current view' for the Deleted Items folder is set for
"Show all messages" rather than "Hide read messages".

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AC91AC39-0BEE-42C3-9F9A-2C8DF1E4F7BD@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
> they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
> "Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
> can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
> governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
> corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
> appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
> flow:
>
> 1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
> 2. Delete the message
> 3. Can't find it in Deleted
>
> I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #3 (permalink)
Retief


 
 

Re: Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in D

Yes, they are all set to "Show All". Am I correct that if this message has a
Rule that should move it to a Storage folder, the deleted item should go in
the Deleted folder under Storage folders? To be thorough I check all the
other deleted folders as well. I do see other Deleted items that are
affected by the same Rule in the Deleted folder under Storage folders, which
makes sense to me. I'll try to do some more testing tonight to see if I can
narrow it down. I'm hoping this is just a case of
"Stupid User Trick", just need to figure out what the Trick is do I quit
doing it!

Thanks,

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
Quote:

> Make sure your 'current view' for the Deleted Items folder is set for
> "Show all messages" rather than "Hide read messages".
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AC91AC39-0BEE-42C3-9F9A-2C8DF1E4F7BD@xxxxxx
Quote:

> >I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
> > they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
> > "Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
> > can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
> > governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
> > corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
> > appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
> > flow:
> >
> > 1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
> > 2. Delete the message
> > 3. Can't find it in Deleted
> >
> > I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in D

Yes, anything deleted under Storage folders will go into the Deleted Items
under Storage folders.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:F43CD93C-29E5-4846-BFDA-EB4F62CBFC7E@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Yes, they are all set to "Show All". Am I correct that if this message has a
> Rule that should move it to a Storage folder, the deleted item should go in
> the Deleted folder under Storage folders? To be thorough I check all the
> other deleted folders as well. I do see other Deleted items that are
> affected by the same Rule in the Deleted folder under Storage folders, which
> makes sense to me. I'll try to do some more testing tonight to see if I can
> narrow it down. I'm hoping this is just a case of
> "Stupid User Trick", just need to figure out what the Trick is do I quit
> doing it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> Make sure your 'current view' for the Deleted Items folder is set for
>> "Show all messages" rather than "Hide read messages".
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AC91AC39-0BEE-42C3-9F9A-2C8DF1E4F7BD@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> >I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
>> > they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
>> > "Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
>> > can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
>> > governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
>> > corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
>> > appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
>> > flow:
>> >
>> > 1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
>> > 2. Delete the message
>> > 3. Can't find it in Deleted
>> >
>> > I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
>>
>>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #5 (permalink)
Retief


 
 

Re: Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in D

Well, chalk THIS one up to "stupid user" tricks, sometimes I just royally
annoy myself.

So, here is what I am sure is going on. First problem, stop thinking of
QuickView as anything but a "view", I have now drummed THAT through my thick
skull. Second problem, when you "open" an item and then delete it, the
"number unread" in Deleted does NOT go up, as it shouldn't of course. Third
problem, remember that when the Deleted folder is sorted "By Date" it is the
Date of the Message that counts, not "When it was deleted". Darn, I hate it
when I'm a bozo, but even worse when I do it in public.

Sheesh, what a Doofus ... a true DOH moment.

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
Quote:

> Make sure your 'current view' for the Deleted Items folder is set for
> "Show all messages" rather than "Hide read messages".
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AC91AC39-0BEE-42C3-9F9A-2C8DF1E4F7BD@xxxxxx
Quote:

> >I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
> > they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
> > "Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
> > can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
> > governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
> > corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
> > appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
> > flow:
> >
> > 1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
> > 2. Delete the message
> > 3. Can't find it in Deleted
> >
> > I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Live Mail - Some "Deleted" items permanently deleted, not in D

We all have our 'senior' moments. :-)

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news92AE783-1DFF-4B51-81B2-64389A99D05A@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Well, chalk THIS one up to "stupid user" tricks, sometimes I just royally
> annoy myself.
>
> So, here is what I am sure is going on. First problem, stop thinking of
> QuickView as anything but a "view", I have now drummed THAT through my thick
> skull. Second problem, when you "open" an item and then delete it, the
> "number unread" in Deleted does NOT go up, as it shouldn't of course. Third
> problem, remember that when the Deleted folder is sorted "By Date" it is the
> Date of the Message that counts, not "When it was deleted". Darn, I hate it
> when I'm a bozo, but even worse when I do it in public.
>
> Sheesh, what a Doofus ... a true DOH moment.
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> Make sure your 'current view' for the Deleted Items folder is set for
>> "Show all messages" rather than "Hide read messages".
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Retief" <Retief@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:AC91AC39-0BEE-42C3-9F9A-2C8DF1E4F7BD@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> >I just noticed this morning that some deleted messages simply "disappear",
>> > they don't go into any Deleted folders. I have verified this by doing a
>> > "Search in All e-mail" before and after a Delete operation on the mail. I
>> > can see it prior to the Delete, but not after. Most of my mail is also
>> > governed by Rules, so I would expect the Deleted item to show up in the
>> > corresponding Deleted folder. I do see other current Deleted items. This
>> > appears to happen when I delete messages as I am reading them. Here is my
>> > flow:
>> >
>> > 1. Using the Unread Quick View, open an email
>> > 2. Delete the message
>> > 3. Can't find it in Deleted
>> >
>> > I am suspicious that this may have something to do when Rules are applied.
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
>>
>>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
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