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Old 12-30-2008   #1 (permalink)
RWG


 
 

Columns go gray

I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live Mail
Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).

Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and then I
copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder then
reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line would be
"bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all the
letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters in the
from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date column
are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is highlighted,
still searchable, etc.

Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my user
folder.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #2 (permalink)
RWG


 
 

RE: Columns go gray

Correction.

Unread: From is Bold, Subject is Normal, Date is gray

"RWG" wrote:
Quote:

> I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live Mail
> Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).
>
> Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and then I
> copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder then
> reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line would be
> "bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all the
> letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters in the
> from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date column
> are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is highlighted,
> still searchable, etc.
>
> Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my user
> folder.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #3 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

No "bug", unfortunately. :-(
Microsoft's GUI designers apparently imbibed too much holiday cheer too early.
--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsD2A07FA-5144-4AB9-8230-3D8D1F92033C@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Correction.
>
> Unread: From is Bold, Subject is Normal, Date is gray
>
> "RWG" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live Mail
>> Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).
>>
>> Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and then I
>> copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder then
>> reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line would be
>> "bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all the
>> letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters in the
>> from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date column
>> are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is highlighted,
>> still searchable, etc.
>>
>> Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my user
>> folder.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
Ron Sommer


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

The behavior is different when reading newsgroups.
Unread posts, the From field is bold and all other fields are normal.
When read, the From field is normal and all other fields are gray.
--
Ronald Sommer

"RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:5836838D-4CB7-485D-992F-78C8D05F6C60@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Is it up for a fix. Is hard to read
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> No "bug", unfortunately. :-(
>> Microsoft's GUI designers apparently imbibed too much holiday cheer too
>> early.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> newsD2A07FA-5144-4AB9-8230-3D8D1F92033C@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > Correction.
>> >
>> > Unread: From is Bold, Subject is Normal, Date is gray
>> >
>> > "RWG" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live
>> >> Mail
>> >> Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).
>> >>
>> >> Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and
>> >> then I
>> >> copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder
>> >> then
>> >> reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line
>> >> would be
>> >> "bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all
>> >> the
>> >> letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters
>> >> in the
>> >> from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date
>> >> column
>> >> are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is
>> >> highlighted,
>> >> still searchable, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my
>> >> user
>> >> folder.
>>
>>
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #5 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

I hear you loud and clear. I've made the same point here shortly after the
new build was released. The designers forgot that not everyone has 20/20
vision. Us older folks especially have trouble distinguishing different shades
of gray.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5836838D-4CB7-485D-992F-78C8D05F6C60@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Is it up for a fix. Is hard to read
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> No "bug", unfortunately. :-(
>> Microsoft's GUI designers apparently imbibed too much holiday cheer too early.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsD2A07FA-5144-4AB9-8230-3D8D1F92033C@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > Correction.
>> >
>> > Unread: From is Bold, Subject is Normal, Date is gray
>> >
>> > "RWG" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live Mail
>> >> Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).
>> >>
>> >> Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and then I
>> >> copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder then
>> >> reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line would be
>> >> "bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all the
>> >> letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters in the
>> >> from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date column
>> >> are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is highlighted,
>> >> still searchable, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my user
>> >> folder.
>>
>>
>>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #6 (permalink)
NoSPAM


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e2OTKtqaJHA.4664@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I hear you loud and clear. I've made the same point here shortly after the
> new build was released. The designers forgot that not everyone has 20/20
> vision. Us older folks especially have trouble distinguishing different
> shades
> of gray.

This is the reason I continue to use Windows Mail rather than WLM. Can you
suggest the proper folks to complain to at Microsoft? I will be happy to
give them my comments.

Thank you, Gary, for all you do to help us. It would seem that Microsoft
would place more value on your suggestions than they do.

Dr. Barry L. Ornitz

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #7 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

"NoSPAM" <unknown@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eXCD%23ttaJHA.3548@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e2OTKtqaJHA.4664@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I hear you loud and clear. I've made the same point here shortly after the
>> new build was released. The designers forgot that not everyone has 20/20
>> vision. Us older folks especially have trouble distinguishing different shades
>> of gray.
>
>
> This is the reason I continue to use Windows Mail rather than WLM. Can you suggest the proper folks to complain to at
> Microsoft? I will be happy to give them my comments.
>
> Thank you, Gary, for all you do to help us. It would seem that Microsoft would place more value on your suggestions than they
> do.
>
> Dr. Barry L. Ornitz
Strangely enough, MS closed the beta testers' bug reporting channel a
week or so before the latest WLM build was released. Several recently
added changes, like the graying out of the subject line, and only bolding
the 'From' field, were never shown to the beta testers prior to release.
One has to wonder what the point of having beta testers is...

I only know of the feedback channel open to the general public:
https://feedback.live.com/default.as...=wlmaildesktop

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-30-2008   #8 (permalink)
David [MSFT]


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

I forwarded this thread to some of my team members today. I can't guarantee
anything will change in the next version, but I'm sure we'll revisit the
visuals, at least for discussion.


David [MSFT]


"NoSPAM" <unknown@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eXCD#ttaJHA.3548@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e2OTKtqaJHA.4664@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I hear you loud and clear. I've made the same point here shortly after the
>> new build was released. The designers forgot that not everyone has 20/20
>> vision. Us older folks especially have trouble distinguishing different
>> shades
>> of gray.
>
>
> This is the reason I continue to use Windows Mail rather than WLM. Can
> you suggest the proper folks to complain to at Microsoft? I will be happy
> to give them my comments.
>
> Thank you, Gary, for all you do to help us. It would seem that Microsoft
> would place more value on your suggestions than they do.
>
> Dr. Barry L. Ornitz
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-31-2008   #9 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Columns go gray

Thank you.
The grayed out subject field presents a handicap to us users
with older eyes. :-(

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"David [MSFT]" <dgould@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e$eQiOvaJHA.5676@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I forwarded this thread to some of my team members today. I can't guarantee anything will change in the next version, but I'm
>sure we'll revisit the visuals, at least for discussion.
>
>
> David [MSFT]
>
>
> "NoSPAM" <unknown@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eXCD#ttaJHA.3548@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e2OTKtqaJHA.4664@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I hear you loud and clear. I've made the same point here shortly after the
>>> new build was released. The designers forgot that not everyone has 20/20
>>> vision. Us older folks especially have trouble distinguishing different shades
>>> of gray.
>>
>>
>> This is the reason I continue to use Windows Mail rather than WLM. Can you suggest the proper folks to complain to at
>> Microsoft? I will be happy to give them my comments.
>>
>> Thank you, Gary, for all you do to help us. It would seem that Microsoft would place more value on your suggestions than they
>> do.
>>
>> Dr. Barry L. Ornitz
>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-31-2008   #10 (permalink)
Peter.R


 
 

Re: Columns go gray


I find that having only the 'From' field bolded in Newsgroups so aesthetically displeasing, it unsettles my mind (seriously, it agitates me). As such, I have resorted to removing the 'From' column from the Toolbar.

As for the grey fields, I am afraid I cannot recommend this program to my elderly parents as it is now.

I am sure the WLMail team will realise that these changes were a failed experiment and return the colour and bolding of the fields to their normal state.

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
---------------

"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uoaQC$maJHA.684@xxxxxx

Quote:

> The behavior is different when reading newsgroups.
> Unread posts, the From field is bold and all other fields are normal.
> When read, the From field is normal and all other fields are gray.
> --
> Ronald Sommer
>
> "RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:5836838D-4CB7-485D-992F-78C8D05F6C60@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>> Is it up for a fix. Is hard to read
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>> No "bug", unfortunately. :-(
>>> Microsoft's GUI designers apparently imbibed too much holiday cheer too
>>> early.
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>>
>>>
>>> "RWG" <RWG@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> newsD2A07FA-5144-4AB9-8230-3D8D1F92033C@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:

>>> > Correction.
>>> >
>>> > Unread: From is Bold, Subject is Normal, Date is gray
>>> >
>>> > "RWG" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I am using Windows XP Pro and current with all updates. Windows Live Mail Version 2009 (Build 14.0.8050.1202).
>>> >>
>>> >> Now I had to reinstall the operating system, did all the updates and then I copied my "USER" folder back into the "Documents And Settings" folder then reinstalled Windows Live Mail. Before and still the entire line would be "bold" to indicate a new message. Before, once the "mail" is read all the letters would go "normal". Now, once the "mail" is read, the letters in the from column are normal and the letters in the Subject column and Date column are grayed out/faded, but otherwise seem normal when a line is highlighted, still searchable, etc.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this a "bug" or did I do something improperly when copying back my user folder.
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