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| Guest | Newsgroup Actions Can anyone explain, or point out an appropriate page which will tell me, what the difference is between these actions when I'm in Newsgroups view? This is in version 12.0.1606, and Help is totally silent (or else I don't know where to look). View > Refresh (= F5) (Also on toolbar) Tools > Synchronize all (Also on toolbar) Tools > Synchronize newsgroup Tools > Get next n headers (On toolbar: Headers) Tools > Get New headers Synchronize account (Only on toolbar) Sometimes, when I select a newsgroup in the folder pane, the status bar tells me that WLMail is connecting to the server and checking for messages. Sometimes it doesn't, and it seems to depend on where I clicked previously. What constitutes a New header? Or a New message? Is there a time span involved? And the same questions really apply to Synchronization settings, of which there seem to be a bewildering variety, in several places. Lastly, what does 'Catch up' mean, and what's the difference between 'Purge' and 'Delete'? I'm sure I'm not the only one who needs a bit of guidance. Happy New Year everybody! -- Noel |
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions I can answer some of those questions. Although I'm speculating on some of them. You'll find some additional information in Help by searching under Synchronize. View > Refresh (= F5) (Also on toolbar) Refreshes the view. So if you have the view set to hide read messages, those you have read recently will get hidden. IT also seems to do a synchronize on the newsgroup. The difference between Synchronize All and Newsgroup is that the latter does only the current newsgroup. How much gets synchronized depends on your settings (Headers only or Messages) The Get next xx headers only applies if you have set Tools, Options, Read to get xxx headers at a time. New headers/messages mean since you last download headers (synchronized) with the newsgroup. Catch-up is intended for when you first visit a newsgroup or return to one that you haven’t visited in a while. It marks all existing messages in the newsgroup as having been read without actually downloading the headers. You'll only see any new messages after this time. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uer92o4aJHA.4820@xxxxxx
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions Thanks, Mike. That's cleared a few things up. I've put some comments inline... "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ej9nzR5aJHA.1184@xxxxxx
it strange that the only effect I see is the same as Synchronize newsgroup - unless I happen to have an account selected, in which case it seems to download the names of all newsgroups on the server.
the various sorts of synchronization. I can't see any difference at all whether I choose Headers only or All messages or New messages only. If I select an account and then click Synchronize Account on the toolbar, I seem to get new messages (if there are any) in all newsgroups under that account. And Synchronize All seems to poll all my POP accounts for new messages as well as every other mail and news account, and it takes forever.
difference? And what's the difference between Get ... headers and Synchronize? Is it that Synchronize lops all the old messages off the top of the list whereas Get ... headers doesn't? In which case, if I only used Get ... headers, I would retain all the old posts, including those that no longer reside on the server? I've been looking for a way to do that for a long time.
last synchronized - is that regardless of the type of synchronization? And does it count if instead of choosing Synchronize, I select Get ... headers? Or press F5?
ones I've read and which not? I've been using newsgroups for at least 15 years, so I thought it's about time I learnt some of the basics. It's odd that Help doesn't mention any of this, as if there were some sort of standard that WLMail adhered to. Thanks again -- Noel
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:Oh49$n6aJHA.1268@xxxxxx
Only in the newest version. IIRC in the version that you are asking about F5 does what it has always done even in OE, just issue an NNTP LIST command. Note: you would have to do a netcap trace to see this. It is not something which is even hinted at by the troubleshooting log. Also, just saying F5 is not very precise. Context matters, although it is less apparent in WLMail than it is in OE. E.g. Synchronize newsgroup can only be done while a newsgroup is open.
It's really pretty simple: Headers gets only headers; the maximum number of headers depends on the Get ___ headers at a time option and whether it is checked. If you use a synchronize command you have the additional effect of being able to download bodies at the same time. (Actually it is done as soon as possible after the headers are downloaded.) The main difference between Synchronize New Messages Only and Synchronize All Messages has to do with headers which were _previously_ downloaded and with whether a Catch Up has been done. E.g. if a Catch Up had not been done but headers had been downloaded using Get 300... then Sychronize All Messages could try to download more than those 300 as well has filling in the bodies of those old headers which were already downloaded. BTW the best way to get familiar with what the functions are IMO is to use the troubleshooting log and see how the client reacts to the 211 response to group request.
Regarding headers? None.
A synchronize command doesn't pay any attention to the Get ___ value. It just gets headers and bodies depending on both your last use of the newsgroup and on your synchronization criterion for that newsgroup.
I don't think so, I think that is only dependent on the low sequence number in the 211 reply to group request.
That can only happen by accident of the server never updating the low sequence number in the 211 reply to group request.
I doubt it. Again, all that would be required would be to remember a previous 211 reply to group request
You wouldn't care. You would only be reading current messages. You then would be depending on the care that others were giving their quoting to understand the context for old threads or just marking them with Ignore Conversation.
Ha! As with many MS products, if you really want to know how stuff works it's reverse engineering all the way. ; ) HTH Robert ---
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions Thanks, Robert. That's cleared up a few more grey areas for me. The reason for the delay in replying is that I grasped the nettle, having read a number of posts where it said that the latest build was quite stable, and installed 14.0.8050.1202, since when I've had more crashes than I had in over a year's operation of 12.0.1606 ![]() Just a couple of questions - why (I'm more interested in the 'why' than the 'how') would anyone wish to specify 'Headers only' as a sync option, since as far as I can see there's no difference at all between that and 'All messages'? And equally 'Get ... headers' seems to do exactly the same as 'Sync selected newsgroup'. I notice that F5 is now officially a shortcut for 'Sync all newsgroups'. -- Noel "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:C80D9BE4-8BF8-4E50-827B-E66B5FDB5102@xxxxxx
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions > Thanks, Robert. That's cleared up a few more grey areas for me. The reason
-- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eMvS3QrbJHA.1704@xxxxxx
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| Guest | Re: Newsgroup Actions "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eMvS3QrbJHA.1704@xxxxxx
Error Signatures? Also, did you uninstall the old WLMail before installing the new one? (It won't affect your message caches to do that but you might want to back them up JIC. <W>) It may also be relevant to know if you installed any of the other Live Essentials products at the same time and if you uninstalled any previously installed versions of those products too.
As I tried to explain but was somewhat inconvenienced by having to agree with one of your statements <w>, the difference occurs when the Get 300 messages at a time option is checked. E.g. if you suspect you are going to be able to get more than 300 messages from a newsgroup and want to see all possible headers but only headers Synchronize Headers Only (done before entering the newsgroup) would do that. I think the key concept to grasp when thinking about the Get 300... option is that it is used automatically when you enter a newsgroup. If you sometimes want to use it, e.g. when sampling new newsgroups it is helpful. OTOH if you are trying to maintain a complete cache or see all possible messages you should either normally leave it unchecked or be careful about not entering a newsgroup while in a Working Onlne state, at least until you download all the new ones using a Synchronize command to get it up-to-date. Notice that you can avoid entering a newsgroup without having to go offline and still synchronize it before entering it by using either the Synchronize All or Synchronize Account commands. In order to use the Synchronize Newsgroup command instead you would have to be in a Working Offline state first, then enter the newsgroup and then issue the command; otherwise, at least when your synchronization criterion was New Messages, the automatic Get next... would be done first and that would change the definition of "New" for your intended Synchronize Newsgroup command.
If it is checked Tools, Get Next 300... (or the Headers button in the toolbar) would download just the latest 300 headers, not all of them. If the option is unchecked, then you're right, a Synchronize command with Headers Only wouldn't have much advantage to simply entering each newsgroup and letting the automatic Get (unlimited because the option is unchecked) do that for you. OTOH I like to see the summary of the number of headers downloaded and whether watched threads are being updated before just picking one newsgroup to start with.
But it appears to be only more of a... for (all newsgroups) do synch newsgroup. Ctrl-F5 is closer to the old Sychronize All. E.g. when Watched threads are involved (which I use a lot) I don't see a potentially problematic extra task in the Status window. Long ago that extra task burned me in OE and I got into the habit of avoiding it by using Synchronize All (then Ctrl-Shift-M) The problem supposedly was eventually fixed in a version of OE but I think the last time I formally tested it in WLMail it still was present apparently regressed in the ported code. If you want to see more of an explanation of this issue search the OE NG (all the way back to OE5) with the search expression: "Loose Catch-Up". Do the search in Google Groups instead of the MS Communities web interface to newsgroups because a lot of my posts don't get rated, so many threads I post in eventually get discarded... ; ) Bizarre! Google Groups is FUBAR. Refuses to acknowledge author: or group: search term attributes. Also, Advanced search starts out with a date range of 1 day... ; } Anyway, this can give you a taste of what I'm referring to... http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...=b&sitesearch= Robert ---
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