Vista - Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail?

01-05-2009

Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for
later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be
uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am.

I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that
comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which
applications the message is referring to?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg
Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that
another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers.

Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input.
"Peter.R" wrote:

Quote:

>
> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions.
>
> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]...
>
> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go:
> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows...
>
> Also uncheck:
> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger
>
> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all.
>
> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
> ---------------
>
> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news

E0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx
>

Quote:

> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it
> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs
> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be?
> >
> > "Doofus" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?"
> >>
> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs.
> >>
> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?"
> >>
> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606)
> >>
> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?"
> >>
> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood
> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone
> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have
> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged
> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail.
> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a
> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of
> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo
> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive
> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess!
> >> "...winston" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?
> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?
> >> >
> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ...winston
> >> > ms-mvp mail
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's
> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
> >> > >
> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-05-2009

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:09:00 -0800, Doofus wrote:

Quote:

> And I forgot to include the following in my last post: Peter - Is your
> suggestion that I should uninstall Comodo and reinstall Zone Alarm?

Both applications are next to useless. The build-in firewall application in
both WinXP and Vista are impressively better as they are an integral
component of the operating system.
The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

[quote]
Any outbound host-based firewall filtering in WindowsXP is really just
meaningless as a *security*...]
[unquote]
--and--
in TechNet Magazine (June 2008).
[quote]
....outbound filtering will stop the worm from infecting other systems or
will stop the attacker from communicating out. This is *not* true.
[unquote]
Jesper M. Johansson
Senior Security Strategist in the Security Technology Unit at MSFT and is a
Software Architect working on security software and is a contributing
editor to TechNet Magazine. He holds a PhD in Management Information
Systems, has more than 20 years experience in security, and is a Microsoft
MVP in Enterprise Security.

Quote:

> I decided to try Comodo because it would provide "less leakage" --

During a interview with Leo Laporte (August 16, 2007), Steve Gibson, of
Gibson Research Corporation said that he has given up updating his
*'Firewall Leak Test'* application because he found it essentially
worthless to continue and admitted a software-based firewall (PFW) is kind
of *pointless* to employ.

A rational appraisal by Steve Riley concerning *security* related 3rd party
software applications (August 06, 2008).
[quote]
In general, it's a bad idea to use third-party "replacements" for critical
parts of the operating system. While I'll never claim that our software is
bug-free, I feel pretty certain that some shady no-charge download that
tries to replace or improve on some aspect of the security subsystem hasn't
gone through any kind of testing like we do: the SDL, automated fuzz and
penetration testing, and threat modeling.
My advice: *stay away from stuff like this.*
[unquote]
Steve Riley [MSFT Senior Security Strategist]
steve.riley@xxxxxx
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com

Quote:

> when I'm on the unsecured neighborhood wi-fi connection.

VPN - Virtual private Networking, an overview
http://www.homenethelp.com/vpn/

True Crypt
http://www.truecrypt.org/

Quote:

> But, as you stated, it's hard to use effectively, if you're not an
> advanced user.

Managing the Windows Vista Firewall
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc510323.aspx
(the link is relevant to WinXp as well, read in its entirety!)

Quote:

> And, I should modify my comment about the message that appears when I'm
> closing Firefox and Opera. The message says that there are other users
> logged in. If there are other users logged in, there shouldn't be. Only one
> of many reasons why I think my security has been compromised, and needs to be
> fixed.

If I were you I'd go you a pertinent newsgroup and/or forum, state your
operating system (incl. upgrades) and request assistance as how to develop
a security concept for your particular os and personal browsing habits.

Good luck

01-05-2009

There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.

The error message you posted does indicate that you are using an old version of Messenger, since it refers to *MSN* Messenger. Messenger is now called *Windows Live* Messenger, so you might want to upgrade to a later version of Messenger if for some reason you want to start using it.

In any case, I suggest you don't start it if you are not using it for Instant Messaging.

A newsgroup dedicated to Messenger would helpful for any further enquiries regarding it.

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
---------------

"Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4440AAAD-04AA-4169-82C0-98B98DD58088@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for
> later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be
> uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am.
>
> I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that
> comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which
> applications the message is referring to?
> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg
> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg
> Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that
> another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers.
>
> Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input.

Quote:

> "Peter.R" wrote:

Quote:

>>
>> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions.
>>
>> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
>> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]...
>>
>> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go:
>> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows...
>>
>> Also uncheck:
>> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
>> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
>> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger
>>
>> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all.
>>
>> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Peter.R
>> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>> ---------------
>>
>> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news

E0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx
>>

Quote:

>> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it
>> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs
>> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be?
>> >
>> > "Doofus" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?"
>> >>
>> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs.
>> >>
>> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?"
>> >>
>> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606)
>> >>
>> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?"
>> >>
>> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood
>> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone
>> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have
>> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged
>> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail.
>> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a
>> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of
>> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo
>> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive
>> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess!
>> >> "...winston" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?
>> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > ...winston
>> >> > ms-mvp mail
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx

>>

Quote:

>> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's
>> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
>> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-05-2009

It is beyond my understanding as to why both Firefox and Opera web browsers return such an error when you close them.

I do not use Firefox or Opera. Newsgroups or forums dedicated to those browsers would be more helpful in that regard.

I am no expert on firewalls, and I know nothing about unsecured neighbourhood Wi-Fi connections. I just know that I much prefer Zone Alarm Free Over Comodo. I have a specific use for it over and above what Windows Vista Advanced Firewall offers me. But for most Windows Users, I imagine that Windows Firewall would be enough, coupled with a good free antivirus and spyware/adware/malware solution.

Third party firewalls can be more trouble than they are worth for novice Windows users, which is why I don't recommend them to the novice users in my family. However, I ensure that they are well protected with free antivirus/malware etc. solutions.

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
---------------

"Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5214F5B2-AEA2-471F-BC02-4270A6E1BEB4@xxxxxx

Quote:

> And I forgot to include the following in my last post: Peter - Is your
> suggestion that I should uninstall Comodo and reinstall Zone Alarm? I
> decided to try Comodo because it would provide "less leakage" -- particularly
> when I'm on the unsecured neighborhood wi-fi connection. But, as you stated,
> it's hard to use effectively, if you're not an advanced user.
>
> And, I should modify my comment about the message that appears when I'm
> closing Firefox and Opera. The message says that there are other users
> logged in. If there are other users logged in, there shouldn't be. Only one
> of many reasons why I think my security has been compromised, and needs to be
> fixed.
>
> "Doofus" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for
>> later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be
>> uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am.
>>
>> I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that
>> comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which
>> applications the message is referring to?
>> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg
>> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg
>> Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that
>> another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers.
>>
>> Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input.
>> "Peter.R" wrote:
>>

Quote:

>> >
>> > There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions.
>> >
>> > To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
>> > Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]...
>> >
>> > To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go:
>> > Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows...
>> >
>> > Also uncheck:
>> > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
>> > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
>> > Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger
>> >
>> > If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all.
>> >
>> > I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> > Peter.R
>> > (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
>> > "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>> > ---------------
>> >
>> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news

E0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx
>> >
>> > > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it
>> > > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs
>> > > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be?
>> > >
>> > > "Doofus" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?"
>> > >>
>> > >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs.
>> > >>
>> > >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?"
>> > >>
>> > >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606)
>> > >>
>> > >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?"
>> > >>
>> > >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood
>> > >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone
>> > >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have
>> > >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged
>> > >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail.
>> > >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a
>> > >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of
>> > >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo
>> > >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive
>> > >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess!
>> > >> "...winston" wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?
>> > >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > ...winston
>> > >> > ms-mvp mail
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx
>> >
>> > >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's
>> > >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
>> > >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-05-2009

I am assuming you have downloaded and are using the latest live messenger
from http://download.live.com

you can remove it from the control panel if you go to
the add remove program and select WINDOWS LIVE ESSENTIALS and then select
uninstall-change

then has an option to uninstall one of the components if you want..

"Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it?
> What's
> it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
> receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
>
> How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-05-2009

Fyi...
The majority of the suggestions in this thread are directed at Windows Live Messenger, not Msn Messenger.
Which makes me question why you are receiving a prompt(a very old one too) about Msn Messenger.

Is MSn Premium software(Msn Explorer) installed in addition to the Windows Live applications(Windows Live Mail and Windows Live
Messenger)....or is Windows Live Mail and MSn Messenger installed ?

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4440AAAD-04AA-4169-82C0-98B98DD58088@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for
> later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be
> uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am.
>
> I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that
> comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which
> applications the message is referring to?
> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg
> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...hortcuts1..jpg
> Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that
> another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers.
>
> Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input.
> "Peter.R" wrote:
>

Quote:

>>
>> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail.
>> (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions.
>>
>> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
>> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]...
>>
>> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go:
>> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows...
>>
>> Also uncheck:
>> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
>> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
>> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live
>> Messenger
>>
>> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all.
>>
>> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for
>> quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy
>> to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Peter.R
>> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>> ---------------
>>
>> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news

E0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx
>>

Quote:

>> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it
>> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs
>> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be?
>> >
>> > "Doofus" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?"
>> >>
>> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs.
>> >>
>> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?"
>> >>
>> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606)
>> >>
>> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?"
>> >>
>> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood
>> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone
>> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have
>> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged
>> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail.
>> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a
>> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of
>> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo
>> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive
>> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess!
>> >> "...winston" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?
>> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > ...winston
>> >> > ms-mvp mail
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx

>>

Quote:

>> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's
>> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
>> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-06-2009

There is a nuisance(my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services(Home.live.com,
profile, spaces etc). Upon access an instance of msnmgr.exe(Windows Live Messenger)is autoloaded(it does not open Messenger). If
WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx

Quote:

> There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.

01-06-2009

Wow, so it does. I had not realised.

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
---------------

"...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Hd3mB$bJHA.5412@xxxxxx

Quote:

> There is a nuisance (my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services (Home.live.com,
> profile, spaces etc). Upon access, an instance of msnmgr.exe (Windows Live Messenger) is autoloaded (it does not open Messenger). If
> WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager.
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.

01-06-2009

Most likely to enhance the ability for the 'ready-to-use' IM client if necessary in the social networking arena. Though, like any
other application not needed, many will raise(some valid) issues about stealth loading an application not user originated etc.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:unqv6x$bJHA.4900@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Wow, so it does. I had not realised.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
> ---------------
>
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Hd3mB$bJHA.5412@xxxxxx
>

Quote:

>> There is a nuisance (my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services
>> (Home.live.com,
>> profile, spaces etc). Upon access, an instance of msnmgr.exe (Windows Live Messenger) is autoloaded (it does not open
>> Messenger). If
>> WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager.
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>>
>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

>>> There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.

01-09-2009

Peter - Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Things seem to have gone
from bad to worse! First, let me reply to these procedures:

"To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services
[section]->Stop signing in [button]... "

Done, thanks!

"To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System
starts, in Messenger, go:
Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live
Messenger when I log on to Windows...

Also uncheck:
Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a
webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger "

I don't have a "sign-in" tab or a "security" tab. Could these tabs be
missing because I still have MSN Messenger rather than WLMessenger? Can you
advise how to get rid of MSN Messenger? Do I have to download WLMessenger,
or can I wait until I actually need it for something?

"Peter.R" wrote:

Quote:

>
> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions.
>
> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go:
> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]...
>
> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go:
> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows...
>
> Also uncheck:
> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet
> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger
> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger
>
> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all.
>
> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
> ---------------
>
> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news

E0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx
>

Quote:

> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it
> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs
> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be?
> >
> > "Doofus" wrote:
> >

Quote:

> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?"
> >>
> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs.
> >>
> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?"
> >>
> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606)
> >>
> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?"
> >>
> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood
> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone
> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have
> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged
> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail.
> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a
> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of
> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo
> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive
> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess!
> >> "...winston" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?
> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?
> >> >
> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > ...winston
> >> > ms-mvp mail
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's
> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and
> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program.
> >> > >
> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?

01-05-2009	#21 (permalink)
Doofus n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am. I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which applications the message is referring to? http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers. Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input. "Peter.R" wrote: Quote: > > There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions. > > To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: > Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... > > To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: > Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... > > Also uncheck: > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger > Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger > > If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all. > > I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point. > > -- > Cheers, > Peter.R > (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) > "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare > --------------- > > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsE0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx > Quote: > > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it > > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs > > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be? > > > > "Doofus" wrote: > > Quote: > >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?" > >> > >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs. > >> > >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?" > >> > >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606) > >> > >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?" > >> > >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood > >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone > >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have > >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged > >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail. > >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a > >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of > >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo > >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive > >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess! > >> "...winston" wrote: > >> > >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ? > >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ? > >> > > >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ...winston > >> > ms-mvp mail > >> > > >> > > >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: > >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's > >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and > >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. > >> > > > >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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01-05-2009	#22 (permalink)
Kayman n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:09:00 -0800, Doofus wrote: Quote: > And I forgot to include the following in my last post: Peter - Is your > suggestion that I should uninstall Comodo and reinstall Zone Alarm? Both applications are next to useless. The build-in firewall application in both WinXP and Vista are impressively better as they are an integral component of the operating system. The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored. [quote] Any outbound host-based firewall filtering in WindowsXP is really just meaningless as a security...] [unquote] --and-- in TechNet Magazine (June 2008). [quote] ....outbound filtering will stop the worm from infecting other systems or will stop the attacker from communicating out. This is not true. [unquote] Jesper M. Johansson Senior Security Strategist in the Security Technology Unit at MSFT and is a Software Architect working on security software and is a contributing editor to TechNet Magazine. He holds a PhD in Management Information Systems, has more than 20 years experience in security, and is a Microsoft MVP in Enterprise Security. Quote: > I decided to try Comodo because it would provide "less leakage" -- During a interview with Leo Laporte (August 16, 2007), Steve Gibson, of Gibson Research Corporation said that he has given up updating his 'Firewall Leak Test' application because he found it essentially worthless to continue and admitted a software-based firewall (PFW) is kind of pointless to employ. A rational appraisal by Steve Riley concerning security related 3rd party software applications (August 06, 2008). [quote] In general, it's a bad idea to use third-party "replacements" for critical parts of the operating system. While I'll never claim that our software is bug-free, I feel pretty certain that some shady no-charge download that tries to replace or improve on some aspect of the security subsystem hasn't gone through any kind of testing like we do: the SDL, automated fuzz and penetration testing, and threat modeling. My advice: stay away from stuff like this. [unquote] Steve Riley [MSFT Senior Security Strategist] steve.riley@xxxxxx http://blogs.technet.com/steriley http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com Quote: > when I'm on the unsecured neighborhood wi-fi connection. VPN - Virtual private Networking, an overview http://www.homenethelp.com/vpn/ True Crypt http://www.truecrypt.org/ Quote: > But, as you stated, it's hard to use effectively, if you're not an > advanced user. Managing the Windows Vista Firewall http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc510323.aspx (the link is relevant to WinXp as well, read in its entirety!) Quote: > And, I should modify my comment about the message that appears when I'm > closing Firefox and Opera. The message says that there are other users > logged in. If there are other users logged in, there shouldn't be. Only one > of many reasons why I think my security has been compromised, and needs to be > fixed. If I were you I'd go you a pertinent newsgroup and/or forum, state your operating system (incl. upgrades) and request assistance as how to develop a security concept for your particular os and personal browsing habits. Good luck
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01-05-2009	#23 (permalink)
Peter.R n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like. The error message you posted does indicate that you are using an old version of Messenger, since it refers to MSN Messenger. Messenger is now called Windows Live Messenger, so you might want to upgrade to a later version of Messenger if for some reason you want to start using it. In any case, I suggest you don't start it if you are not using it for Instant Messaging. A newsgroup dedicated to Messenger would helpful for any further enquiries regarding it. -- Cheers, Peter.R (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare --------------- "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4440AAAD-04AA-4169-82C0-98B98DD58088@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for > later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be > uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am. > > I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that > comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which > applications the message is referring to? > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg > Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that > another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers. > > Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input. Quote: > "Peter.R" wrote: Quote: >> >> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions. >> >> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: >> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... >> >> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: >> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... >> >> Also uncheck: >> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet >> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger >> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger >> >> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all. >> >> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Peter.R >> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) >> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare >> --------------- >> >> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsE0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx >> Quote: >> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it >> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs >> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be? >> > >> > "Doofus" wrote: >> > >> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?" >> >> >> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs. >> >> >> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?" >> >> >> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606) >> >> >> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?" >> >> >> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood >> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone >> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have >> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged >> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail. >> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a >> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of >> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo >> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive >> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess! >> >> "...winston" wrote: >> >> >> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ? >> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ? >> >> > >> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > ...winston >> >> > ms-mvp mail >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx >> Quote: >> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's >> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and >> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. >> >> > > >> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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01-05-2009	#24 (permalink)
Peter.R n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? It is beyond my understanding as to why both Firefox and Opera web browsers return such an error when you close them. I do not use Firefox or Opera. Newsgroups or forums dedicated to those browsers would be more helpful in that regard. I am no expert on firewalls, and I know nothing about unsecured neighbourhood Wi-Fi connections. I just know that I much prefer Zone Alarm Free Over Comodo. I have a specific use for it over and above what Windows Vista Advanced Firewall offers me. But for most Windows Users, I imagine that Windows Firewall would be enough, coupled with a good free antivirus and spyware/adware/malware solution. Third party firewalls can be more trouble than they are worth for novice Windows users, which is why I don't recommend them to the novice users in my family. However, I ensure that they are well protected with free antivirus/malware etc. solutions. -- Cheers, Peter.R (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare --------------- "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5214F5B2-AEA2-471F-BC02-4270A6E1BEB4@xxxxxx Quote: > And I forgot to include the following in my last post: Peter - Is your > suggestion that I should uninstall Comodo and reinstall Zone Alarm? I > decided to try Comodo because it would provide "less leakage" -- particularly > when I'm on the unsecured neighborhood wi-fi connection. But, as you stated, > it's hard to use effectively, if you're not an advanced user. > > And, I should modify my comment about the message that appears when I'm > closing Firefox and Opera. The message says that there are other users > logged in. If there are other users logged in, there shouldn't be. Only one > of many reasons why I think my security has been compromised, and needs to be > fixed. > > "Doofus" wrote: > Quote: >> Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for >> later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be >> uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am. >> >> I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that >> comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which >> applications the message is referring to? >> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg >> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...shortcuts1.jpg >> Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that >> another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers. >> >> Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input. >> "Peter.R" wrote: >> Quote: >> > >> > There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions. >> > >> > To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: >> > Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... >> > >> > To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: >> > Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... >> > >> > Also uncheck: >> > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet >> > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger >> > Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger >> > >> > If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all. >> > >> > I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point. >> > >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > Peter.R >> > (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) >> > "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare >> > --------------- >> > >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsE0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx >> > >> > > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it >> > > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs >> > > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be? >> > > >> > > "Doofus" wrote: >> > > >> > >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?" >> > >> >> > >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs. >> > >> >> > >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?" >> > >> >> > >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606) >> > >> >> > >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?" >> > >> >> > >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood >> > >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone >> > >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have >> > >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged >> > >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail. >> > >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a >> > >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of >> > >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo >> > >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive >> > >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess! >> > >> "...winston" wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ? >> > >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ? >> > >> > >> > >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ? >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ...winston >> > >> > ms-mvp mail >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx >> > >> > >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's >> > >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and >> > >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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01-05-2009	#25 (permalink)
CBoom n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? I am assuming you have downloaded and are using the latest live messenger from http://download.live.com you can remove it from the control panel if you go to the add remove program and select WINDOWS LIVE ESSENTIALS and then select uninstall-change then has an option to uninstall one of the components if you want.. "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx Quote: > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? > What's > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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01-05-2009	#26 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? Fyi... The majority of the suggestions in this thread are directed at Windows Live Messenger, not Msn Messenger. Which makes me question why you are receiving a prompt(a very old one too) about Msn Messenger. Is MSn Premium software(Msn Explorer) installed in addition to the Windows Live applications(Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Messenger)....or is Windows Live Mail and MSn Messenger installed ? -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4440AAAD-04AA-4169-82C0-98B98DD58088@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks for the procedures to deactivate messenger. I've printed them for > later use. From your earlier message, it looks like messenger should not be > uninstalled if I'm using Hotmail, which I am. > > I'm posting screenshots of the WLMail shortcuts, and of the message that > comes up when I try to exit messenger after I've logged out. Any idea which > applications the message is referring to? > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ismessagea.jpg > http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...hortcuts1..jpg > Also, I'm anxious to learn what's causing Firefox and Opera to advise that > another browser is still open (it isn't) when I close these browsers. > > Also, t-4-2 - thanks for your input. > "Peter.R" wrote: > Quote: >> >> There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. >> (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions. >> >> To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: >> Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... >> >> To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: >> Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... >> >> Also uncheck: >> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet >> Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger >> Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live >> Messenger >> >> If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all. >> >> I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for >> quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy >> to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Peter.R >> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) >> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare >> --------------- >> >> "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsE0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx >> Quote: >> > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it >> > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs >> > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be? >> > >> > "Doofus" wrote: >> > >> >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?" >> >> >> >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs. >> >> >> >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?" >> >> >> >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606) >> >> >> >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?" >> >> >> >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood >> >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone >> >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have >> >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged >> >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail. >> >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a >> >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of >> >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo >> >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive >> >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess! >> >> "...winston" wrote: >> >> >> >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ? >> >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ? >> >> > >> >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > ...winston >> >> > ms-mvp mail >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx >> Quote: >> >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's >> >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and >> >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. >> >> > > >> >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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01-06-2009	#27 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? There is a nuisance(my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services(Home.live.com, profile, spaces etc). Upon access an instance of msnmgr.exe(Windows Live Messenger)is autoloaded(it does not open Messenger). If WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx Quote: > There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.
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01-06-2009	#28 (permalink)
Peter.R n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? Wow, so it does. I had not realised. -- Cheers, Peter.R (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare --------------- "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Hd3mB$bJHA.5412@xxxxxx Quote: > There is a nuisance (my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services (Home.live.com, > profile, spaces etc). Upon access, an instance of msnmgr.exe (Windows Live Messenger) is autoloaded (it does not open Messenger). If > WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager. > > -- > ...winston > ms-mvp mail > > > "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.
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01-06-2009	#29 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? Most likely to enhance the ability for the 'ready-to-use' IM client if necessary in the social networking arena. Though, like any other application not needed, many will raise(some valid) issues about stealth loading an application not user originated etc. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:unqv6x$bJHA.4900@xxxxxx Quote: > Wow, so it does. I had not realised. > > -- > Cheers, > Peter.R > (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) > "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare > --------------- > > "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Hd3mB$bJHA.5412@xxxxxx > Quote: >> There is a nuisance (my term, others might not think so) that occurs when accessing some of the Live web services >> (Home.live.com, >> profile, spaces etc). Upon access, an instance of msnmgr.exe (Windows Live Messenger) is autoloaded (it does not open >> Messenger). If >> WLMsgr is not present a few have reported that IE6/7 may lockup and/or multiple instances of msnmgr.exe appear in Task Manager. >> >> -- >> ...winston >> ms-mvp mail >> >> >> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#X53sCzbJHA.1188@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>> There is no requirement to have Messenger running to be able to access Hotmail, so by all means uninstall it if you like.
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01-09-2009	#30 (permalink)
Doofus n/a posts	Re: Can messenger component be removed from Live Mail? Peter - Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Things seem to have gone from bad to worse! First, let me reply to these procedures: "To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... " Done, thanks! "To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... Also uncheck: Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger " I don't have a "sign-in" tab or a "security" tab. Could these tabs be missing because I still have MSN Messenger rather than WLMessenger? Can you advise how to get rid of MSN Messenger? Do I have to download WLMessenger, or can I wait until I actually need it for something? "Peter.R" wrote: Quote: > > There is no 'Messenger' shortcut at the bottom of the folder pane in the latest Beta version of Windows Live Mail. (14.0.8050.1202). I can't remember if there was one in WLMail 12.0.1606, although I recall one in earlier Beta versions. > > To prevent WLMail from signing into Windows Live upon start-up, in WLMail go: > Tools->Options->Connection [tab]->Connection to Windows Live services [section]->Stop signing in [button]... > > To prevent Messenger from starting automatically when Operating System starts, in Messenger, go: > Tools->Options->Sign In [tab]->[uncheck] Automatically run Windows Live Messenger when I log on to Windows... > > Also uncheck: > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Allow automatic sign in when connected to the Internet > Sign In [tab]->[ ] Show Windows Live Today after I sign in to Messenger > Security [tab]->[ ] Open Windows Live Messenger when I click a link on a webpage that tries to interact with Windows Live Messenger > > If you are not interested in Instant Messaging, then there is no need for you to run Messenger at all. > > I tried Comodo Firewall Pro (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/overview.html) for a while, and found that is really for quite advanced users. In addition, its "Defence+" option can be quite annoying if left enabled, so I disabled it. I am now happy to stick with Zone Alarm free firewall, even though I was recently given Zone Alarm Pro 2009 by Check Point. > > -- > Cheers, > Peter.R > (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202) > "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare > --------------- > > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message newsE0238F2-FAE8-4E1D-B19A-F6A5F4A3E79A@xxxxxx > Quote: > > Also, usually--but not always--when I try to log out of MSN Messenger, it > > will tell me there are other applications logged in. Are certain programs > > that I'm using dependent on Messenger to function? Which ones would they be? > > > > "Doofus" wrote: > > Quote: > >> "Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ?" > >> > >> Only if I don't need it for anything, like other programs. > >> > >> "Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ?" > >> > >> WLM = Version 2008 (Build 12.0.1606) > >> > >> "Which Spyware might you be concerned ?" > >> > >> Don't know--keyloggers, third-party logins? I use an unsecured neighborhood > >> wi-fi connection when available. I recently switched firewalls from Zone > >> Alarm to Comodo. My antivirus and anti-spyware is through AVG 8, and I have > >> added ThreatFire. I'm getting weird messages such as a third party is logged > >> into my browser (Firefox, Opera), and there's the Messenger issue on WLMail. > >> Messenger has installed itself as a shortcut in WLMail. Also, there is now a > >> sign-in when WLMail is launched, where there wasn't one before. And, of > >> course, I can't make heads or tails out of most of the messages that Comodo > >> generates. My Weatherbug icon no longer works, and I can no longer receive > >> internet streaming--audio or A/V. It's just a big mess! > >> "...winston" wrote: > >> > >> > Do you wish to uninstall Messenger from your system ? > >> > Which version of WLMail or WLMsgr is installed ? > >> > > >> > Which Spyware might you be concerned ? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ...winston > >> > ms-mvp mail > >> > > >> > > >> > "Doofus" <Doofus@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:EA72C46F-DA76-48EA-AAE3-D88AFCBE2777@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: > >> > > Didn't have messenger on the toolbar until recently. Do I need it? What's > >> > > it for? If it's not needed, how do I remove it? I just want to send and > >> > > receive email and don't want spyware in the program. > >> > > > >> > > How do I know if my email client has been hacked?
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