Vista - Newsgroup disappear!

01-07-2009

Hello!

When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my ISP's
news server disappear.
I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and watched
messages are gone.
That's very annoying!

Kind regards

01-07-2009

If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft.
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop
--
Ronald Sommer

"Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hello!
>
> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my
> ISP's news server disappear.
> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and
> watched messages are gone.
> That's very annoying!
>
> Kind regards

01-07-2009

The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public
msnews.microsoft.com server.
Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at).
Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no
reason for WLM do delete the whole groups.

"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx

Quote:

> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft.
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop
> --
> Ronald Sommer
>
> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Hello!
>>
>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my
>> ISP's news server disappear.
>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and
>> watched messages are gone.
>> That's very annoying!
>>
>> Kind regards

>

01-07-2009

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote:

Quote:

> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my
>>> ISP's news server disappear.
>>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and
>>> watched messages are gone.
>>> That's very annoying!

Quote:

>> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft.
>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

Quote:

> The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public
> msnews.microsoft.com server.
> Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at).
> Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no
> reason for WLM do delete the whole groups.

Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with those
servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a news
client should remove a message store just because it could not access the
newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

01-07-2009

Thanks Norman!
I don't like to use a workaround. This just shouldn't happen.

Kind regards

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1fmjrz11milow$.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote:
>

Quote:

>> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

>>> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

>>>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my
>>>> ISP's news server disappear.
>>>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and
>>>> watched messages are gone.
>>>> That's very annoying!

>

Quote:

>>> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft.
>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

>

Quote:

>> The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public
>> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>> Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at).
>> Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no
>> reason for WLM do delete the whole groups.

>
> Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with those
> servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a news
> client should remove a message store just because it could not access the
> newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

01-08-2009

If your ISP news server would refuse the connection when you aren't
connected to the Internet via them, then I don't think you would have a
problem.

It sounds like the news server is accepting the connection and then
telling WLM that your newsgroups no longer exist on that news server.

You could verify this by running an News (NNTP) log. To enable logging
in Windows Live Mail select Tools, Options, Advanced, Maintenance,
Troubleshooting. Check the box to enable and click APPLY. Run the
Send/Receive/Synch, then click the box to uncheck and APPLY.

The logging information will be appended to WindowsLiveMail.log in the
same location as the WLM Store Folder (click the STORE FOLDER button
above Troubleshooting to see its location).

The WindowsLiveMail.log can grow to be very large. You may want to
rename (or delete) the current log file before starting logging in order
to get a more manageable file size. WLM will automatically create a new
log file when needed if one doesn't exist.

Another thing to look into is if your ISP's news server supports a
login. Some ISPs will allow access to their news servers if you provide
your ISP login for the news server. Enter this in WLM at Tools,
Accounts, News, Properties, Server.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm

"Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#K#rFZTcJHA.4660@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks Norman!
> I don't like to use a workaround. This just shouldn't happen.
>
> Kind regards
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:1fmjrz11milow$.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx

>>

Quote:

>>>> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx

>>

Quote:

>>>>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups
>>>>> from my
>>>>> ISP's news server disappear.
>>>>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked
>>>>> and
>>>>> watched messages are gone.
>>>>> That's very annoying!

>>

Quote:

>>>> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from
>>>> Microsoft.
>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

>>

Quote:

>>> The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public
>>> msnews.microsoft.com server.
>>> Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at &
>>> news.inode.at).
>>> Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but
>>> that's no
>>> reason for WLM do delete the whole groups.

>>
>> Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with
>> those
>> servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a
>> news
>> client should remove a message store just because it could not access
>> the
>> newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
>> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

>

01-07-2009	#1 (permalink)
Phil n/a posts	Newsgroup disappear! Hello! When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my ISP's news server disappear. I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and watched messages are gone. That's very annoying! Kind regards
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01-07-2009	#2 (permalink)
Ron Sommer n/a posts	Re: Newsgroup disappear! If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft. news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop -- Ronald Sommer "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx Quote: > Hello! > > When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my > ISP's news server disappear. > I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and > watched messages are gone. > That's very annoying! > > Kind regards
My System Specs

01-07-2009	#3 (permalink)
Phil n/a posts	Re: Newsgroup disappear! The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public msnews.microsoft.com server. Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at). Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no reason for WLM do delete the whole groups. "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx Quote: > If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft. > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop > -- > Ronald Sommer > > "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hello! >> >> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my >> ISP's news server disappear. >> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and >> watched messages are gone. >> That's very annoying! >> >> Kind regards >
My System Specs

01-07-2009	#4 (permalink)
N. Miller n/a posts	Re: Newsgroup disappear! On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote: Quote: > "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my >>> ISP's news server disappear. >>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and >>> watched messages are gone. >>> That's very annoying! Quote: Quote: >> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft. >> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop Quote: > The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public > msnews.microsoft.com server. > Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at). > Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no > reason for WLM do delete the whole groups. Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with those servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a news client should remove a message store just because it could not access the newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System Specs

01-07-2009	#5 (permalink)
Phil n/a posts	Re: Newsgroup disappear! Thanks Norman! I don't like to use a workaround. This just shouldn't happen. Kind regards "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1fmjrz11milow$.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote: > Quote: >> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups from my >>>> ISP's news server disappear. >>>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked and >>>> watched messages are gone. >>>> That's very annoying! > Quote: Quote: >>> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from Microsoft. >>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop > Quote: >> The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public >> msnews.microsoft.com server. >> Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & news.inode.at). >> Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but that's no >> reason for WLM do delete the whole groups. > > Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with those > servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a news > client should remove a message store just because it could not access the > newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug. > > -- > Norman > ~Oh Lord, why have you come > ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System Specs

01-08-2009	#6 (permalink)
Michael Santovec n/a posts	Re: Newsgroup disappear! If your ISP news server would refuse the connection when you aren't connected to the Internet via them, then I don't think you would have a problem. It sounds like the news server is accepting the connection and then telling WLM that your newsgroups no longer exist on that news server. You could verify this by running an News (NNTP) log. To enable logging in Windows Live Mail select Tools, Options, Advanced, Maintenance, Troubleshooting. Check the box to enable and click APPLY. Run the Send/Receive/Synch, then click the box to uncheck and APPLY. The logging information will be appended to WindowsLiveMail.log in the same location as the WLM Store Folder (click the STORE FOLDER button above Troubleshooting to see its location). The WindowsLiveMail.log can grow to be very large. You may want to rename (or delete) the current log file before starting logging in order to get a more manageable file size. WLM will automatically create a new log file when needed if one doesn't exist. Another thing to look into is if your ISP's news server supports a login. Some ISPs will allow access to their news servers if you provide your ISP login for the news server. Enter this in WLM at Tools, Accounts, News, Properties, Server. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#K#rFZTcJHA.4660@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks Norman! > I don't like to use a workaround. This just shouldn't happen. > > Kind regards > > "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:1fmjrz11milow$.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: >> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:33:44 +0100, Phil wrote: >> Quote: >>> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >>> news:#RqTr9PcJHA.4684@xxxxxx >> Quote: >>>> "Phil" <mail@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>> news:e6kxn9NcJHA.1860@xxxxxx >> Quote: >>>>> When I connect through a different ISP or WLAN, all newsgroups >>>>> from my >>>>> ISP's news server disappear. >>>>> I have to add the groups manually back. All my previously marked >>>>> and >>>>> watched messages are gone. >>>>> That's very annoying! >> Quote: >>>> If they are Microsoft newsgroups, then get them directly from >>>> Microsoft. >>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop >> Quote: >>> The Microsoft newsgroups remain, which I obtain through the public >>> msnews.microsoft.com server. >>> Only the ones from my ISP's newsserver (news.chello.at & >>> news.inode.at). >>> Apparently they're only accessible through their IP range, but >>> that's no >>> reason for WLM do delete the whole groups. >> >> Can you configure WLM to not automatically attempt to connect with >> those >> servers? Perhaps that would be work around. However, I don't think a >> news >> client should remove a message store just because it could not access >> the >> newsgroups on a given NNTP server; definitely a bug. >> >> -- >> Norman >> ~Oh Lord, why have you come >> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum >
My System Specs

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