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Old 01-07-2009   #1 (permalink)
KG Old Wolf


 
 

MIME coding appearing in messages

I have not found a cause, solution, or consisten symptom and this is really a
problem.

Sometimes I send a message out of my "Live.com" account and MIME coding
appears above and below the text I am sending. The messages appear fine in
my "sent" folder, it is only the recipients that see the funky coding.

I am using this account for sending out resumes and response to questions
and it is VERY EMBARRASSING to find this extraneous code in items sent.

I found an area where MIME coding for plain text "sends" is an option and
deselected it but the problem continues. Worse, it is not on every message!

Can anyone provide some clue as to what the heck is going on here?

Thanks,
Ken

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-07-2009   #2 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: MIME coding appearing in messages

Are you sending from the Live.com web mail or from the Windows Live Mail
(WLM) program on your PC?

If the WLM program, which version (look in Help, About Windows Live
Mail).

Typically what you are seeing is caused by an anti-virus or anti-spam
program corrupting the MIME headers. This could be on your PC, your
mail server, the recipient's mail server or the recipient's PC.

The place to start is to make sure that your anti-virus isn't scanning
outgoing mail. With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply
disabling the e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It
simply tells the program not to flag any messages. It still processes
all the messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you
may need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning component
for installation.

You mention that you tried to deselect MIME. In WLM that would mean
that you selected Uuencode. In that case, the message should not have
nay MIME headers, although there might be some x-headers that mention
MIME such as
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606

If some other MIME headers, such as Content-type are appearing in your
Uuencoded message, then some other program has converted the message to
MIME format after sending.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"KG Old Wolf" <KG Old Wolf@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:560A0513-237C-47DE-AA53-27FCCA89D7D1@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I have not found a cause, solution, or consisten symptom and this is
> really a
> problem.
>
> Sometimes I send a message out of my "Live.com" account and MIME
> coding
> appears above and below the text I am sending. The messages appear
> fine in
> my "sent" folder, it is only the recipients that see the funky coding.
>
> I am using this account for sending out resumes and response to
> questions
> and it is VERY EMBARRASSING to find this extraneous code in items
> sent.
>
> I found an area where MIME coding for plain text "sends" is an option
> and
> deselected it but the problem continues. Worse, it is not on every
> message!
>
> Can anyone provide some clue as to what the heck is going on here?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-08-2009   #3 (permalink)
KGOldWolf


 
 

Re: MIME coding appearing in messages

Hi Mike - thanks for responding.....


I am using 2008 build 12.0.1606 I believe this is the most recent release.

I have checked my AV and it is, and has not been, scanning outgoing
messages. It is scanning incoming messages. I use the free version of AVG's
product and have never had this problem with my Hotmail or Yahoo accounts.

I was using Windows Live Mail to consolidate my Hotmail and Live accounts
but I removed all other accounts save the one that is most important to me -
which happens to be the malunctioning one.

I am averse to deinstalling and reinstalling the AVG product. I can do it
but Ibelieve the problem in in WLM. I "googled" this issue and found that
others had the same issue (but not recently). The recommended action was to
remover the Hotmail accounts which I did to no avail. Tha AV possiblity was
raised but eliminated because the person was not using an AV product! (he
may have bigger problems then MIME encoding).

The MIME encoding appears only relevant to Plain Text; HTML messages do not
appear to have a MIME connection.

Any ANY ideas will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken

Any further suggestions will be


It now appears the problem is not consistent but may be occuring on
"replies". It does not seem to happen on original or forwarded messages.

It is really bad because I just forwarded a message response to my wife to
check and it was fine. I then cut and pasted the response to the original
message and replied and it was mangled.



"Michael Santovec" wrote:
Quote:

> Are you sending from the Live.com web mail or from the Windows Live Mail
> (WLM) program on your PC?
>
> If the WLM program, which version (look in Help, About Windows Live
> Mail).
>
> Typically what you are seeing is caused by an anti-virus or anti-spam
> program corrupting the MIME headers. This could be on your PC, your
> mail server, the recipient's mail server or the recipient's PC.
>
> The place to start is to make sure that your anti-virus isn't scanning
> outgoing mail. With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply
> disabling the e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It
> simply tells the program not to flag any messages. It still processes
> all the messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you
> may need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
> using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning component
> for installation.
>
> You mention that you tried to deselect MIME. In WLM that would mean
> that you selected Uuencode. In that case, the message should not have
> nay MIME headers, although there might be some x-headers that mention
> MIME such as
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606
>
> If some other MIME headers, such as Content-type are appearing in your
> Uuencoded message, then some other program has converted the message to
> MIME format after sending.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "KG Old Wolf" <KG Old Wolf@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:560A0513-237C-47DE-AA53-27FCCA89D7D1@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > I have not found a cause, solution, or consisten symptom and this is
> > really a
> > problem.
> >
> > Sometimes I send a message out of my "Live.com" account and MIME
> > coding
> > appears above and below the text I am sending. The messages appear
> > fine in
> > my "sent" folder, it is only the recipients that see the funky coding.
> >
> > I am using this account for sending out resumes and response to
> > questions
> > and it is VERY EMBARRASSING to find this extraneous code in items
> > sent.
> >
> > I found an area where MIME coding for plain text "sends" is an option
> > and
> > deselected it but the problem continues. Worse, it is not on every
> > message!
> >
> > Can anyone provide some clue as to what the heck is going on here?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-08-2009   #4 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: MIME coding appearing in messages

Are you sending a single message to multiple people?

Some people have intermittently run into a problem with WLM where if
there are multiple addresses in the TO, CC or BCC fields, WLM screws up
the header continuation and ends up with a blank line in the header. By
Internet standards a blank line ends the header and starts the body.

If you look in the Sent Items folder, the message should be OK. If you
look at the Message Source (Ctrl-F3) and see where you have a TO, CC or
BCC header of multiple lines and if the problem messages MIME coding
that shows up in the body of the message starts after one of those
headers or has the last line or two of one of those headers, you've run
into this problem.

The version you are using is the latest production version which was
released over a year ago. There is now a beta (test) version out which
is close to final release. You might want to try that version to see if
the problem is fixed.

Or for your critical mails, send to a single person at a time.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"KGOldWolf" <KGOldWolf@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:3AB30FDA-12C4-4CAF-9A82-57F1491C4222@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hi Mike - thanks for responding.....
>
>
> I am using 2008 build 12.0.1606 I believe this is the most recent
> release.
>
> I have checked my AV and it is, and has not been, scanning outgoing
> messages. It is scanning incoming messages. I use the free version
> of AVG's
> product and have never had this problem with my Hotmail or Yahoo
> accounts.
>
> I was using Windows Live Mail to consolidate my Hotmail and Live
> accounts
> but I removed all other accounts save the one that is most important
> to me -
> which happens to be the malunctioning one.
>
> I am averse to deinstalling and reinstalling the AVG product. I can
> do it
> but Ibelieve the problem in in WLM. I "googled" this issue and found
> that
> others had the same issue (but not recently). The recommended action
> was to
> remover the Hotmail accounts which I did to no avail. Tha AV
> possiblity was
> raised but eliminated because the person was not using an AV product!
> (he
> may have bigger problems then MIME encoding).
>
> The MIME encoding appears only relevant to Plain Text; HTML messages
> do not
> appear to have a MIME connection.
>
> Any ANY ideas will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
> Any further suggestions will be
>
>
> It now appears the problem is not consistent but may be occuring on
> "replies". It does not seem to happen on original or forwarded
> messages.
>
> It is really bad because I just forwarded a message response to my
> wife to
> check and it was fine. I then cut and pasted the response to the
> original
> message and replied and it was mangled.
>
>
>
> "Michael Santovec" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> Are you sending from the Live.com web mail or from the Windows Live
>> Mail
>> (WLM) program on your PC?
>>
>> If the WLM program, which version (look in Help, About Windows Live
>> Mail).
>>
>> Typically what you are seeing is caused by an anti-virus or anti-spam
>> program corrupting the MIME headers. This could be on your PC, your
>> mail server, the recipient's mail server or the recipient's PC.
>>
>> The place to start is to make sure that your anti-virus isn't
>> scanning
>> outgoing mail. With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply
>> disabling the e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It
>> simply tells the program not to flag any messages. It still
>> processes
>> all the messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you
>> may need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
>> using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning
>> component
>> for installation.
>>
>> You mention that you tried to deselect MIME. In WLM that would mean
>> that you selected Uuencode. In that case, the message should not
>> have
>> nay MIME headers, although there might be some x-headers that mention
>> MIME such as
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606
>>
>> If some other MIME headers, such as Content-type are appearing in
>> your
>> Uuencoded message, then some other program has converted the message
>> to
>> MIME format after sending.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "KG Old Wolf" <KG Old Wolf@xxxxxx> wrote in
>> message
>> news:560A0513-237C-47DE-AA53-27FCCA89D7D1@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > I have not found a cause, solution, or consisten symptom and this
>> > is
>> > really a
>> > problem.
>> >
>> > Sometimes I send a message out of my "Live.com" account and MIME
>> > coding
>> > appears above and below the text I am sending. The messages appear
>> > fine in
>> > my "sent" folder, it is only the recipients that see the funky
>> > coding.
>> >
>> > I am using this account for sending out resumes and response to
>> > questions
>> > and it is VERY EMBARRASSING to find this extraneous code in items
>> > sent.
>> >
>> > I found an area where MIME coding for plain text "sends" is an
>> > option
>> > and
>> > deselected it but the problem continues. Worse, it is not on every
>> > message!
>> >
>> > Can anyone provide some clue as to what the heck is going on here?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Ken
>>
>>
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-08-2009   #5 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: MIME coding appearing in messages

The latest beta version became a released version yesterday.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%230igvlccJHA.1272@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Are you sending a single message to multiple people?
>
> Some people have intermittently run into a problem with WLM where if there are multiple addresses in the TO, CC or BCC fields,
> WLM screws up the header continuation and ends up with a blank line in the header. By Internet standards a blank line ends the
> header and starts the body.
>
> If you look in the Sent Items folder, the message should be OK. If you look at the Message Source (Ctrl-F3) and see where you
> have a TO, CC or BCC header of multiple lines and if the problem messages MIME coding that shows up in the body of the message
> starts after one of those headers or has the last line or two of one of those headers, you've run into this problem.
>
> The version you are using is the latest production version which was released over a year ago. There is now a beta (test)
> version out which is close to final release. You might want to try that version to see if the problem is fixed.
>
> Or for your critical mails, send to a single person at a time.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "KGOldWolf" <KGOldWolf@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3AB30FDA-12C4-4CAF-9A82-57F1491C4222@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hi Mike - thanks for responding.....
>>
>>
>> I am using 2008 build 12.0.1606 I believe this is the most recent release.
>>
>> I have checked my AV and it is, and has not been, scanning outgoing
>> messages. It is scanning incoming messages. I use the free version of AVG's
>> product and have never had this problem with my Hotmail or Yahoo accounts.
>>
>> I was using Windows Live Mail to consolidate my Hotmail and Live accounts
>> but I removed all other accounts save the one that is most important to me -
>> which happens to be the malunctioning one.
>>
>> I am averse to deinstalling and reinstalling the AVG product. I can do it
>> but Ibelieve the problem in in WLM. I "googled" this issue and found that
>> others had the same issue (but not recently). The recommended action was to
>> remover the Hotmail accounts which I did to no avail. Tha AV possiblity was
>> raised but eliminated because the person was not using an AV product! (he
>> may have bigger problems then MIME encoding).
>>
>> The MIME encoding appears only relevant to Plain Text; HTML messages do not
>> appear to have a MIME connection.
>>
>> Any ANY ideas will be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ken
>>
>> Any further suggestions will be
>>
>>
>> It now appears the problem is not consistent but may be occuring on
>> "replies". It does not seem to happen on original or forwarded messages.
>>
>> It is really bad because I just forwarded a message response to my wife to
>> check and it was fine. I then cut and pasted the response to the original
>> message and replied and it was mangled.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Santovec" wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>> Are you sending from the Live.com web mail or from the Windows Live Mail
>>> (WLM) program on your PC?
>>>
>>> If the WLM program, which version (look in Help, About Windows Live
>>> Mail).
>>>
>>> Typically what you are seeing is caused by an anti-virus or anti-spam
>>> program corrupting the MIME headers. This could be on your PC, your
>>> mail server, the recipient's mail server or the recipient's PC.
>>>
>>> The place to start is to make sure that your anti-virus isn't scanning
>>> outgoing mail. With some anti-virus (and anti-spam) programs, simply
>>> disabling the e-mail scanning function doesn't really disable it. It
>>> simply tells the program not to flag any messages. It still processes
>>> all the messages and may still cause send/receive problems. What you
>>> may need to do is uninstall the anti-virus program, then reinstall it
>>> using a custom install option and unselect the e-mail scanning component
>>> for installation.
>>>
>>> You mention that you tried to deselect MIME. In WLM that would mean
>>> that you selected Uuencode. In that case, the message should not have
>>> nay MIME headers, although there might be some x-headers that mention
>>> MIME such as
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606
>>>
>>> If some other MIME headers, such as Content-type are appearing in your
>>> Uuencoded message, then some other program has converted the message to
>>> MIME format after sending.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "KG Old Wolf" <KG Old Wolf@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:560A0513-237C-47DE-AA53-27FCCA89D7D1@xxxxxx
>>> > I have not found a cause, solution, or consisten symptom and this is
>>> > really a
>>> > problem.
>>> >
>>> > Sometimes I send a message out of my "Live.com" account and MIME
>>> > coding
>>> > appears above and below the text I am sending. The messages appear
>>> > fine in
>>> > my "sent" folder, it is only the recipients that see the funky coding.
>>> >
>>> > I am using this account for sending out resumes and response to
>>> > questions
>>> > and it is VERY EMBARRASSING to find this extraneous code in items
>>> > sent.
>>> >
>>> > I found an area where MIME coding for plain text "sends" is an option
>>> > and
>>> > deselected it but the problem continues. Worse, it is not on every
>>> > message!
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone provide some clue as to what the heck is going on here?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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