As has been repeated many times here: Every copy of Vista has Windows Mail
included, just as WinXP and previous versions had OE built into the
operating system. (It was so deeply integrated that it couldn't really be
pulled out, according to Microsoft's arguments in the famous antitrust case
several years ago.) OE won't run in Vista; WM won't run in anything else.
Both handle POP3 (and several other kinds of email) and NNTP (Newsgroups) -
and so does WLM. I've never used Hotmail - or IMAP or other systems, so I
can't comment on those. And I thoroughly dislike the web-based interface to
After Vista went to market, Microsoft continued to beta-test Windows Live
Mail desktop and released several builds to the public. In a name-changing
frenzy in May 2007, the name was changed by dropping the word "desktop" from
its name. Build 12.0.1606, released in November 2007, was considered the
"final" version. Another beta, build 14.0.5027.0908, appeared in September.
Then, in December, we got the current build 14.0.8050.1202, which was first
called a beta but is now the "official" Windows Live Mail 2009, a part of
the Windows Live Essentials suite. To get the whole suite or any part,
WLM can be installed alongside WM (or OE in WinXP), and both can run at the
same time since they keep separate Message Stores. Many of us run both
during the transition period to WLM, making sure to set each to Leave
Messages on the Server for several days so that both Stores will be
complete. When WLM is installed, it will delete WM's shortcut and icon, so
many users think that it has deleted the WM application as well, but it
hasn't; all we have to do is find the WinMail.exe file and double-click on
it, and we can recreate icons for it if we like. Windows 7, now in beta,
will not include ANY email or newsreader application with the operating
system; we will all have to use WLM or Outlook (for email) or a third-party
While OE/WM/WLM are all separate programs, their interfaces are similar
enough that most users of one will quickly learn how to use the others. The
Tools | Options settings will look VERY familiar, for example.
Try both WM and WLM and see which one YOU like better. ;<)
Oh, for free newsgroup servers, just Google for "free newsgroup servers".
You'll probably get millions of hits.
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2009 in Win7 Ultimate x64 7000)
"Tarkyo" <tarkyo@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> Hi Group -
> It's been a long time since I've dabbled in the newsgroup realm, so please
> bear with my as I get my NG legs back.
> I've been an Outlook Express user since about '97 and a couple months ago
> I bought a new laptop that was loaded with Vista operating system. At the
> time I was unaware that OE wasn't compatible with Vista, and now I'm
> forced to use Windows Live, which I'm sure is very nice program, but I
> want my OE back.
> Anyway, I thought I would ask if anyone knows a way to bypass this
> situation and use OE or even Outlook?
> Would switching internet browsers work? (Firefox, Opera.....etc.)
> Thanks all, I look forward to your input,
> PS - Also, anyone have any good FREE newsgroup servers? Preferably binary