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Old 01-18-2009   #1 (permalink)
Tom Brown


 
 

Ok, this is REALLY weird.

I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch of
emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my shoulders
and move on. It only happens once a week or so.

But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking into
it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then, I
noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and making
minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
revisions.

As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final version
but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.

Any clues?

Tom



My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-18-2009   #2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

The Outbox is not meant as a convenient place to keep messages
that need further editing before you send them. That's what the
Drafts folder is for. You are misusing the Outbox for its intended
purpose, which is why you are getting all those duplicates.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch of
> emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my shoulders
> and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>
> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking into
> it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then, I
> noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
> email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and making
> minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
> revisions.
>
> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
> recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final version
> but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Tom
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-18-2009   #3 (permalink)
Tom Brown


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

Gary, please forgive me for disputing a MS-MVP, but I don't buy that at
all. I'm not sure you understood what I was asking.

First, even if I was "misusing" the Outbox, can you tell me why it would
send previous versions (unsent) back to me when only one of them (the final
one) was sent to the intended recipients. My Sent items folder only has one
version. Examining the four that came back to me, I could see each
successive modification. Very strange.

FYI, I don' think they ever left my computer but they definitely (suddenly)
ended up in my Unread Email and Inbox showing as "Unread." All at once,
there was a large group of them ... about 20 total. Some of them were sent

Second, who says you can't modify something sitting in the Outbox that has
not been mailed? This is one reason I don't use the option to Send Messages
Immediately. If you can point out anywhere in any documentation for OE or
WLM saying that you should not modify a message once it's in the Outbox,
I'll buy into it. I have been using OE for about 10 years and I have never
seen this problem and I have always modified items in the Outbox if
required. I never saw anything like this in OE.

Has anyone else seen anything like this or have any ideas about this strange
behavior?

Tom


"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eHTLMaZeJHA.3968@xxxxxx
Quote:

> The Outbox is not meant as a convenient place to keep messages
> that need further editing before you send them. That's what the
> Drafts folder is for. You are misusing the Outbox for its intended
> purpose, which is why you are getting all those duplicates.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch of
>> emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my
>> shoulders
>> and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>>
>> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking
>> into
>> it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then,
>> I
>> noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
>> email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and
>> making
>> minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
>> revisions.
>>
>> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
>> recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final version
>> but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>>
>> Any clues?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-18-2009   #4 (permalink)
Tom Brown


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

See, that is one I should have modified since I sent it with an incomplete
sentence. In the 3rd paragraph, I should have said that "some of those
returned messages were sent over the past two days."

Tom


"Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uyQNcsdeJHA.4180@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Gary, please forgive me for disputing a MS-MVP, but I don't buy that at
> all. I'm not sure you understood what I was asking.
>
> First, even if I was "misusing" the Outbox, can you tell me why it would
> send previous versions (unsent) back to me when only one of them (the
> final
> one) was sent to the intended recipients. My Sent items folder only has
> one
> version. Examining the four that came back to me, I could see each
> successive modification. Very strange.
>
> FYI, I don' think they ever left my computer but they definitely
> (suddenly) ended up in my Unread Email and Inbox showing as "Unread." All
> at once, there was a large group of them ... about 20 total. Some of them
> were sent
>
> Second, who says you can't modify something sitting in the Outbox that has
> not been mailed? This is one reason I don't use the option to Send
> Messages
> Immediately. If you can point out anywhere in any documentation for OE or
> WLM saying that you should not modify a message once it's in the Outbox,
> I'll buy into it. I have been using OE for about 10 years and I have
> never
> seen this problem and I have always modified items in the Outbox if
> required. I never saw anything like this in OE.
>
> Has anyone else seen anything like this or have any ideas about this
> strange
> behavior?
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eHTLMaZeJHA.3968@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> The Outbox is not meant as a convenient place to keep messages
>> that need further editing before you send them. That's what the
>> Drafts folder is for. You are misusing the Outbox for its intended
>> purpose, which is why you are getting all those duplicates.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch
>>>of
>>> emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my
>>> shoulders
>>> and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>>>
>>> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking
>>> into
>>> it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then,
>>> I
>>> noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
>>> email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and
>>> making
>>> minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
>>> revisions.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
>>> recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final
>>> version
>>> but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-18-2009   #5 (permalink)
...winston


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

Here's how I interpret messages that appear as sent from and to you ...
- messages that encountered a problem at some point in time during the send/receive processs(abort, timeout, inability to
handshake with the server, performing another task that impacts the writing of the message store, isp problem, etc). They are
present as a fail-safe in the event the message was not delivered. Contents recoverable if necessary.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch of emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually
> just shrug my shoulders and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>
> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking into it and I see that there were many message that were
> very similar. Then, I noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same email. Apparently I sent it to the
> Outbox but kept reopening it and making minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various revisions.
>
> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the
> final version but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Tom
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-18-2009   #6 (permalink)
Earle Horton


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

Imagine that you opened a message from Outbox, the program succeeded in
sending it, and you then saved the edited copy. What do you expect to
happen to it ten? I don't think that there is any right answer. What you
are relying on is undocumented behavior in OE, that is no doubt still
undocumented but different in WLM.

Earle

"Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uyQNcsdeJHA.4180@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Gary, please forgive me for disputing a MS-MVP, but I don't buy that at
> all. I'm not sure you understood what I was asking.
>
> First, even if I was "misusing" the Outbox, can you tell me why it would
> send previous versions (unsent) back to me when only one of them (the
> final
> one) was sent to the intended recipients. My Sent items folder only has
> one
> version. Examining the four that came back to me, I could see each
> successive modification. Very strange.
>
> FYI, I don' think they ever left my computer but they definitely
> (suddenly) ended up in my Unread Email and Inbox showing as "Unread." All
> at once, there was a large group of them ... about 20 total. Some of them
> were sent
>
> Second, who says you can't modify something sitting in the Outbox that has
> not been mailed? This is one reason I don't use the option to Send
> Messages
> Immediately. If you can point out anywhere in any documentation for OE or
> WLM saying that you should not modify a message once it's in the Outbox,
> I'll buy into it. I have been using OE for about 10 years and I have
> never
> seen this problem and I have always modified items in the Outbox if
> required. I never saw anything like this in OE.
>
> Has anyone else seen anything like this or have any ideas about this
> strange
> behavior?
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eHTLMaZeJHA.3968@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> The Outbox is not meant as a convenient place to keep messages
>> that need further editing before you send them. That's what the
>> Drafts folder is for. You are misusing the Outbox for its intended
>> purpose, which is why you are getting all those duplicates.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch
>>>of
>>> emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my
>>> shoulders
>>> and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>>>
>>> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking
>>> into
>>> it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then,
>>> I
>>> noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
>>> email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and
>>> making
>>> minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
>>> revisions.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
>>> recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final
>>> version
>>> but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 01-19-2009   #7 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Ok, this is REALLY weird.

I may not be able to explain the workings of the mechanism,
but I know what to do to prevent it from happening. ;-)

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uyQNcsdeJHA.4180@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Gary, please forgive me for disputing a MS-MVP, but I don't buy that at
> all. I'm not sure you understood what I was asking.
>
> First, even if I was "misusing" the Outbox, can you tell me why it would
> send previous versions (unsent) back to me when only one of them (the final
> one) was sent to the intended recipients. My Sent items folder only has one
> version. Examining the four that came back to me, I could see each
> successive modification. Very strange.
>
> FYI, I don' think they ever left my computer but they definitely (suddenly)
> ended up in my Unread Email and Inbox showing as "Unread." All at once,
> there was a large group of them ... about 20 total. Some of them were sent
>
> Second, who says you can't modify something sitting in the Outbox that has
> not been mailed? This is one reason I don't use the option to Send Messages
> Immediately. If you can point out anywhere in any documentation for OE or
> WLM saying that you should not modify a message once it's in the Outbox,
> I'll buy into it. I have been using OE for about 10 years and I have never
> seen this problem and I have always modified items in the Outbox if
> required. I never saw anything like this in OE.
>
> Has anyone else seen anything like this or have any ideas about this strange
> behavior?
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eHTLMaZeJHA.3968@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> The Outbox is not meant as a convenient place to keep messages
>> that need further editing before you send them. That's what the
>> Drafts folder is for. You are misusing the Outbox for its intended
>> purpose, which is why you are getting all those duplicates.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "Tom Brown" <NoSpam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e3jcC9YeJHA.4684@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I have been using WLM for a few months and occasionally, I find a bunch of
>>> emails in my UNREAD and INBOX from myself. I usually just shrug my
>>> shoulders
>>> and move on. It only happens once a week or so.
>>>
>>> But, today I found about 20 of them from myself and I got to checking
>>> into
>>> it and I see that there were many message that were very similar. Then,
>>> I
>>> noticed one set in particular that appear to be 4 versions of the same
>>> email. Apparently I sent it to the Outbox but kept reopening it and
>>> making
>>> minor changes. What I got returned to me was each one of the various
>>> revisions.
>>>
>>> As far as I know, all these messages were received by the intended
>>> recipients. In fact, I just confirmed it. My buddy got the final version
>>> but I got returned to me the final and all the previous versions.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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