Vista - Free Software & Purchased Software

We sometimes hear the refrain in these newsgroups, from some quarters, that
we shouldn't expect too much from WLM or some other "free" Microsoft
software because we are not paying for it.

....That we should buy Outlook for example if we want more.

But many of us see Outlook as slow, cumbersome and designed for business
use -- not personal use -- ergo no integrated newsreader.

We want a personal email client and newsreader -- a genuine successor to OE.

So, I say charge us for WLM, sell it to us -- as a superior, carefully honed
and developed Microsoft product, constantly upgraded and refined -- worthy
of the Microsoft name.

But don't produce a grossly inferior, botched product and then tell us we
shouldn't expect too much because it's free.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

At the risk of starting another 20 pages of exchanges which you appear to be
famous for, I must say I agree with you.
To offer a product full of "holes", Free or otherwise, is an indication of
Ineptness and Lack of Professional Ethics.
t-4-2

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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<snip
| But don't produce a grossly inferior, botched product and then tell us
we
| shouldn't expect too much because it's free.

In my never ending quest for the truth, can you point me to the site where
Microsoft has "told" us that?

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%2326vnqAiJHA.4408@xxxxxxThen take a look at Mozilla Thunderbird - email with integrated News reader.
You can even use Hotmail on it with the appropriate add-ins. And with the
Lightning Calendar extension (there are LOADS of free add-ins for it) it is
rapidly approaching the functionality of Outlook. (And don't let certain
MVPs tell you otherwise - use it and see)
Get it here:
http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/thunderbird/

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Yes, I have tried Mozilla Thunderbird and I agree -- it's a good product.

But I think Forte Agent is even better.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gordon" <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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for news certainly.

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"Gordon" <gordonbparker@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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When you discover how to perform a mail merge with it, let us know, OK?
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

"Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]" <tillman1952@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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The word is "approaching", not "is"

http://buffy.eecs.berkeley.edu/ACG/tbird-mailmerge.html

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You don't hear that from this group (Outlook) much. We hear a lot of people
say 'I'm forcing myself to use Outlook because I paid for it when I bought
office.' You should use the program that meets your needs the best.

Please stop with this idiotic cross posting that you insist on doing when
the post really has nothing to do with Outlook. We don't need to be a part
of your little war against OE/Mail and Microsoft.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]
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newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com.


"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Outlook was allegedly designed to be the business email client for Microsoft
Office.

Outlook apparently has no newsreader because employers don't want employees
frittering away time on USENET -- although, with administrative privileges,
one can allegedly be added.

Yes, many of rightly feel that since we bought and paid for Outlook and
Office we should be able to use them together.

However Outlook is clumsy, cumbersome, slow -- and offers far fewer
user-defined options, bells and whistles than Forte Agent.

Outlook Express suited us pretty well. Not perfect, but a very fine
product.

WLM is currently in an unfinished state -- not ready for prime time --
therefore Microsoft has not totally obsoleted Outlook Express and we can
still use it for POP3 and HTTP accounts -- for the time being -- but only in
XP, not in Vista.

We users are looking for alternatives to OE and the currently crippled WLM
and OUTLOOK is ONE of the programs we look at.

This message is, of course, perfectly on topic in the
_microsoft-public.outlook_ newsgroup.

Please do not call me an idiot -- that's quite unprofessional.

Neither do I have any sort of "little war against OE/Mail and Microsoft."

I am very PRO Microsoft and I'm a stockholder -- as perhaps are YOU.

We should be working TOGETHER to make Microsoft a better corporation and
Microsoft products the best in the world -- as they once WERE.

We don't do that by putting up little territorial walls around imagined
fiefdoms on the Internet, where "outsiders" are not welcome and are excluded
from participation because of petty jealousies and injured amour propre.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Exitus Acta Probat

"Diane Poremsky [MVP]" <outlookmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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