Hi,

Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.

I did a system restore.
I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then asks
me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.



So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to set
itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i can
now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
crashing.

My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall windows
mail in any case.

Thanks

Tim

Hi, Tim.

First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.

> Further to previous posts I have made

OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:

> I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.

No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.

HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?

Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100

"telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx

> Hi,
>
> Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
> shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
>
> I did a system restore.
> I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
> want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
> asks
> me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
> live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
> windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
>
> So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
> set
> itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
> can
> now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
> crashing.
>
> My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
> click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
> windows
> mail in any case.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim

Hi RC..

Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.

The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
itself within it`s folder location.

The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.

It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
scratching my head for days...

Tim
"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Tim.
>
> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
>

> > Further to previous posts I have made

>
> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
>

> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.

>
> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
>
> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
>
> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@xxxxxx
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
>
> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx

> > Hi,
> >
> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
> >
> > I did a system restore.
> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
> > asks
> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
> >
> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
> > set
> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
> > can
> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
> > crashing.
> >
> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
> > windows
> > mail in any case.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tim

>
>

Hi, Tim.

Thanks for that clear, detailed narrative. I wish I could help further but
I'm an accountant, not a techie of any kind. There are several regulars
here who should be able to help with the problem. I hope one or more of
them will pop in here...soon! We might need someone from the WLM Team for
this one.

Good luck.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@xxxxxx
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100

"telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

> Hi RC..
>
> Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
> 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
>
> The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
> desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
> itself within it`s folder location.
>
> The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
> rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if
> to
> set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see
> that
> windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and
> winmail.exe).
> I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking
> for
> my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
> leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for
> my
> account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a
> new
> email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live
> mail
> loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process
> list.
> Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
>
> It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
> scratching my head for days...
>
> Tim
> "R. C. White" wrote:
>

>> Hi, Tim.
>>
>> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live
>> Mail
>> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
>> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on
>> your
>> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
>> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
>>

>> > Further to previous posts I have made

>>
>> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
>>

>> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.

>>
>> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely
>> separate
>> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything
>> about
>> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them.
>> WLM
>> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does
>> not
>> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
>>
>> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
>> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
>>
>> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know
>> about
>> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
>>
>> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx

>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
>> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
>> >
>> > I did a system restore.
>> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if
>> > I
>> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
>> > asks
>> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to
>> > windows
>> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager
>> > both
>> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
>> >
>> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want
>> > to
>> > set
>> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM
>> > i
>> > can
>> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out
>> > it
>> > crashing.
>> >
>> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching
>> > when i
>> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
>> > windows
>> > mail in any case.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Tim

>>
>>

Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
"Set your default programs."
After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

> Hi RC..
>
> Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
> 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
>
> The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
> desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
> itself within it`s folder location.
>
> The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
> rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
> set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
> windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
> I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
> my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
> leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
> account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
> email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
> loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
> Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
>
> It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
> scratching my head for days...
>
> Tim
> "R. C. White" wrote:
>

>> Hi, Tim.
>>
>> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
>> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
>> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
>> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
>> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
>>

>> > Further to previous posts I have made

>>
>> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
>>

>> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.

>>
>> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
>> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
>> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
>> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
>> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
>>
>> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
>> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
>>
>> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
>> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
>>
>> RC
>> --
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> rc@xxxxxx
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
>>
>> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx

>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
>> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
>> >
>> > I did a system restore.
>> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
>> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
>> > asks
>> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
>> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
>> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
>> >
>> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
>> > set
>> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
>> > can
>> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
>> > crashing.
>> >
>> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
>> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
>> > windows
>> > mail in any case.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Tim

>>
>>

That`s what i thought about...however when i checked windows live mail and
windows live mail (news) had all the defaults. Windows Mail and windows Mail
(news) have none of the defaults.

Tim

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

> Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
> would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
> to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
> its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
> "Set your default programs."
> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
> Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

> > Hi RC..
> >
> > Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
> > 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
> >
> > The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
> > desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
> > itself within it`s folder location.
> >
> > The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
> > rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
> > set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
> > windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
> > I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
> > my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
> > leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
> > account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
> > email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
> > loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
> > Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
> >
> > It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
> > scratching my head for days...
> >
> > Tim
> > "R. C. White" wrote:
> >

> >> Hi, Tim.
> >>
> >> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
> >> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
> >> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
> >> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
> >> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
> >>
> >> > Further to previous posts I have made
> >>
> >> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
> >>
> >> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.
> >>
> >> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
> >> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
> >> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
> >> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
> >> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
> >>
> >> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
> >> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
> >>
> >> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
> >> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
> >>
> >> RC
> >> --
> >> R. C. White, CPA
> >> San Marcos, TX
> >> rc@xxxxxx
> >> Microsoft Windows MVP
> >> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100
> >>
> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
> >> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
> >> >
> >> > I did a system restore.
> >> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
> >> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
> >> > asks
> >> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
> >> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
> >> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
> >> >
> >> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
> >> > set
> >> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
> >> > can
> >> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
> >> > crashing.
> >> >
> >> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
> >> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
> >> > windows
> >> > mail in any case.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Tim
> >>
> >>

>

Hi Tim.

I can't explain why WMail is starting when you start WLMail, but I have a couple of ideas that might help...

Firstly, if you want to investigate the reason for this problem, two programs that may be of help are 'Process Explorer' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896653.aspx) and 'Process Monitor' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896645.aspx).

In an attempt to resolve the problem though, I suggest that you do a Repair Install of Windows Live Essentials through Control Panel->Programs and Features.

If all else fails, you can rename 'WinMail.exe'* to 'WinMail.exe.bak'. That should see the end of WMail starting up...

If Windows refuses to allow you to rename WinMail.exe, you can use a program called 'Unlocker' (http://********.free.fr/unlocker/) to rename it, or else adjust the permissions of WinMail.exe to give yourself full control over it.

*C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare

"telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:48C57859-2822-46A3-90F5-F3330F68BDC7@xxxxxx

>
> That`s what i thought about...however when i checked windows live mail and
> windows live mail (news) had all the defaults. Windows Mail and windows Mail
> (news) have none of the defaults.
>
> Tim
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>

>> Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
>> would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
>> to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
>> its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
>> "Set your default programs."
>> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

>> > Hi RC..
>> >
>> > Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
>> > 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
>> >
>> > The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
>> > desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
>> > itself within it`s folder location.
>> >
>> > The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
>> > rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
>> > set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
>> > windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
>> > I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
>> > my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
>> > leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
>> > account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
>> > email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
>> > loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
>> > Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
>> >
>> > It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
>> > scratching my head for days...
>> >
>> > Tim

>> > "R. C. White" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, Tim.
>> >>
>> >> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
>> >> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
>> >> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
>> >> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
>> >> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
>> >>
>> >> > Further to previous posts I have made
>> >>
>> >> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
>> >>
>> >> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.
>> >>
>> >> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
>> >> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
>> >> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
>> >> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
>> >> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
>> >>
>> >> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
>> >> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
>> >>
>> >> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
>> >> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
>> >>
>> >> RC
>> >> --
>> >> R. C. White, CPA
>> >>
>> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
>> >> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
>> >> >
>> >> > I did a system restore.
>> >> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
>> >> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
>> >> > asks
>> >> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
>> >> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
>> >> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
>> >> >
>> >> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
>> >> > set
>> >> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
>> >> > can
>> >> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
>> >> > crashing.
>> >> >
>> >> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
>> >> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
>> >> > windows
>> >> > mail in any case.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Tim

Thanks Peter,

I have tried repair install a few times in the past and it didn`t seem to
make a difference. I have now however renamed winmail.exe as you suggested
after altering the permissions etc. As you predicted windows mail no longer
fires up.

I`ll have a look at the links to the process explorers in the next few
days...I expect they are beyond my technical capabilities though!

I`m assuming the work around that i have done should have no significant
detrimental effects on my system?

Tim

"Peter.R" wrote:

> Hi Tim.
>
> I can't explain why WMail is starting when you start WLMail, but I have a couple of ideas that might help...
>
> Firstly, if you want to investigate the reason for this problem, two programs that may be of help are 'Process Explorer' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896653.aspx) and 'Process Monitor' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896645.aspx).
>
> In an attempt to resolve the problem though, I suggest that you do a Repair Install of Windows Live Essentials through Control Panel->Programs and Features.
>
> If all else fails, you can rename 'WinMail.exe'* to 'WinMail.exe.bak'. That should see the end of WMail starting up...
>
> If Windows refuses to allow you to rename WinMail.exe, you can use a program called 'Unlocker' (http://********.free.fr/unlocker/) to rename it, or else adjust the permissions of WinMail.exe to give yourself full control over it.
>
> *C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>
> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:48C57859-2822-46A3-90F5-F3330F68BDC7@xxxxxx

> >
> > That`s what i thought about...however when i checked windows live mail and
> > windows live mail (news) had all the defaults. Windows Mail and windows Mail
> > (news) have none of the defaults.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
> >

> >> Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
> >> would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
> >> to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
> >> its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
> >> "Set your default programs."
> >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
> >> Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
> >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> >>
> >>
> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

>

> >> > Hi RC..
> >> >
> >> > Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
> >> > 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
> >> >
> >> > The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
> >> > desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
> >> > itself within it`s folder location.
> >> >
> >> > The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
> >> > rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
> >> > set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
> >> > windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
> >> > I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
> >> > my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
> >> > leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
> >> > account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
> >> > email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
> >> > loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
> >> > Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
> >> >
> >> > It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
> >> > scratching my head for days...
> >> >
> >> > Tim

>

> >> > "R. C. White" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi, Tim.
> >> >>
> >> >> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
> >> >> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
> >> >> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
> >> >> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
> >> >> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
> >> >> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
> >> >> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
> >> >> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
> >> >> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
> >> >>
> >> >> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
> >> >> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
> >> >>
> >> >> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
> >> >> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> RC
> >> >> --
> >> >> R. C. White, CPA
> >> >>
> >> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
> >> >> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I did a system restore.
> >> >> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
> >> >> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
> >> >> > asks
> >> >> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
> >> >> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
> >> >> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
> >> >> > set
> >> >> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
> >> >> > crashing.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
> >> >> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
> >> >> > windows
> >> >> > mail in any case.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tim

I can't envisage ant detrimental side effects from renaming winmail.exe other than not being able to start WMail, and it not appearing in the 'Default Programs' options.

Actually, a more elegant solution may be to simply deny access to WMail...

1) First rename WinMail.exe.bak back to WinMail.exe

2) Close WLMail

3) Start->Default Programs->Set program access and computer defaults->[x] Custom [check and expand]->Choose a default e-mail program: [section]->[x] Windows Live Mail [check]->[ ] Windows Mail->[ ] Enable access to this program [uncheck]->OK

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare

"telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:20B5FAE8-24F9-467A-A6DD-D3AD31F0CD31@xxxxxx

> Thanks Peter,
>
> I have tried repair install a few times in the past and it didn`t seem to
> make a difference. I have now however renamed winmail.exe as you suggested
> after altering the permissions etc. As you predicted windows mail no longer
> fires up.
>
> I`ll have a look at the links to the process explorers in the next few
> days...I expect they are beyond my technical capabilities though!
>
> I`m assuming the work around that i have done should have no significant
> detrimental effects on my system?
>
> Tim
>
> "Peter.R" wrote:
>

>> Hi Tim.
>>
>> I can't explain why WMail is starting when you start WLMail, but I have a couple of ideas that might help...
>>
>> Firstly, if you want to investigate the reason for this problem, two programs that may be of help are 'Process Explorer' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896653.aspx) and 'Process Monitor' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896645.aspx).
>>
>> In an attempt to resolve the problem though, I suggest that you do a Repair Install of Windows Live Essentials through Control Panel->Programs and Features.
>>
>> If all else fails, you can rename 'WinMail.exe'* to 'WinMail.exe.bak'. That should see the end of WMail starting up...
>>
>> If Windows refuses to allow you to rename WinMail.exe, you can use a program called 'Unlocker' (http://********.free.fr/unlocker/) to rename it, or else adjust the permissions of WinMail.exe to give yourself full control over it.
>>
>> *C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Peter.R
>> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>
>> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:48C57859-2822-46A3-90F5-F3330F68BDC7@xxxxxx

>> >
>> > That`s what i thought about...however when i checked windows live mail and
>> > windows live mail (news) had all the defaults. Windows Mail and windows Mail
>> > (news) have none of the defaults.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
>> >> would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
>> >> to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
>> >> its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
>> >> "Set your default programs."
>> >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> >> Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx

>>

>> >> > Hi RC..
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
>> >> > 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
>> >> >
>> >> > The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
>> >> > desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
>> >> > itself within it`s folder location.
>> >> >
>> >> > The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
>> >> > rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
>> >> > set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
>> >> > windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
>> >> > I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
>> >> > my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
>> >> > leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
>> >> > account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
>> >> > email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
>> >> > loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
>> >> > Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
>> >> >
>> >> > It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
>> >> > scratching my head for days...
>> >> >
>> >> > Tim

>>

>> >> > "R. C. White" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi, Tim.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
>> >> >> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
>> >> >> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
>> >> >> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
>> >> >> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
>> >> >> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
>> >> >> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
>> >> >> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
>> >> >> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
>> >> >> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
>> >> >> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> RC
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> R. C. White, CPA
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx
>> >> >> > Hi,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
>> >> >> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I did a system restore.
>> >> >> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
>> >> >> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
>> >> >> > asks
>> >> >> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
>> >> >> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
>> >> >> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
>> >> >> > set
>> >> >> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
>> >> >> > crashing.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
>> >> >> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
>> >> >> > windows
>> >> >> > mail in any case.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Tim

Thanks,

Interestingly the more elegant solution failed to work. It still managed to
fire up windows mail along side windows live mail despite access being
disabled. I don`t know whether this adds to the mystery or sheds more light
on it. Nevertheless the renaming solution seems to work so i`m happy with
that.

Kind regards

Tim

"Peter.R" wrote:

>
> I can't envisage ant detrimental side effects from renaming winmail.exe other than not being able to start WMail, and it not appearing in the 'Default Programs' options.
>
> Actually, a more elegant solution may be to simply deny access to WMail...
>
> 1) First rename WinMail.exe.bak back to WinMail.exe
>
> 2) Close WLMail
>
> 3) Start->Default Programs->Set program access and computer defaults->[x] Custom [check and expand]->Choose a default e-mail program: [section]->[x] Windows Live Mail [check]->[ ] Windows Mail->[ ] Enable access to this program [uncheck]->OK
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>
> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:20B5FAE8-24F9-467A-A6DD-D3AD31F0CD31@xxxxxx
>

> > Thanks Peter,
> >
> > I have tried repair install a few times in the past and it didn`t seem to
> > make a difference. I have now however renamed winmail.exe as you suggested
> > after altering the permissions etc. As you predicted windows mail no longer
> > fires up.
> >
> > I`ll have a look at the links to the process explorers in the next few
> > days...I expect they are beyond my technical capabilities though!
> >
> > I`m assuming the work around that i have done should have no significant
> > detrimental effects on my system?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > "Peter.R" wrote:
> >

> >> Hi Tim.
> >>
> >> I can't explain why WMail is starting when you start WLMail, but I have a couple of ideas that might help...
> >>
> >> Firstly, if you want to investigate the reason for this problem, two programs that may be of help are 'Process Explorer' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896653.aspx) and 'Process Monitor' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896645.aspx).
> >>
> >> In an attempt to resolve the problem though, I suggest that you do a Repair Install of Windows Live Essentials through Control Panel->Programs and Features.
> >>
> >> If all else fails, you can rename 'WinMail.exe'* to 'WinMail.exe.bak'. That should see the end of WMail starting up...
> >>
> >> If Windows refuses to allow you to rename WinMail.exe, you can use a program called 'Unlocker' (http://********.free.fr/unlocker/) to rename it, or else adjust the permissions of WinMail.exe to give yourself full control over it.
> >>
> >> *C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Peter.R
> >> (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 2009 14.0.8064.0206)
> >> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
> >>
> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:48C57859-2822-46A3-90F5-F3330F68BDC7@xxxxxx
> >> >
> >> > That`s what i thought about...however when i checked windows live mail and
> >> > windows live mail (news) had all the defaults. Windows Mail and windows Mail
> >> > (news) have none of the defaults.
> >> >
> >> > Tim
> >> >
> >> > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Very peculiar! I can think of no reason why starting wlmail.exe
> >> >> would also start WinMail.exe. Perhaps something is sending a request
> >> >> to the default email program, so make sure Windows Live Mail has all
> >> >> its defaults. Open the Default Programs applet, then click the first item:
> >> >> "Set your default programs."
> >> >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
> >> >> Live Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
> >> >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0C980085-8895-4402-9CD5-997D8F474D10@xxxxxx
> >>
> >> >> > Hi RC..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sorry about lack of info. I`m using windows live mail version
> >> >> > 14.0.8064.0206. It`s the one i get when I go via the download site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The behaviour occurs whether I launch it from the start menu, or the
> >> >> > desktop, or even if i delve into the harddrive and locate the application
> >> >> > itself within it`s folder location.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The windows live title comes up with the message `signing in` and the
> >> >> > rotating vista icon. Then another window pops up asking for my name as if to
> >> >> > set up a new account. If I goto the process list in task manager i see that
> >> >> > windows mail and windows live mail are running (wlmail.exe and winmail.exe).
> >> >> > I could to two things. If i end the winmail.exe process the window asking for
> >> >> > my account info disappears and windows live mail loads up properly. If i
> >> >> > leave the processes alone and just choose cancel on the window asking for my
> >> >> > account information it says `are you sure you want to exit the wizard, a new
> >> >> > email account won`t be created` then i click yes and then windows live mail
> >> >> > loads up but both processes continue to run in the task manager process list.
> >> >> > Once i exit WLM both processes disappear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It`s as if they are inextricably intertwined within each other...i`ve been
> >> >> > scratching my head for days...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tim
> >>
> >> >> > "R. C. White" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hi, Tim.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> First, when posting here, please always mention your full Windows Live Mail
> >> >> >> version (14.0.8064.0209?), especially since you are using the browser
> >> >> >> interface, rather than WLM, so we can't tell that from the headers on your
> >> >> >> post. Also, please include your exact Windows version (Windows Vista
> >> >> >> Ultimate x64 SP1?); that often makes a difference.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> OK, I did find this in the post you made earlier today:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I`m using vista home premium 32 bit on both computers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No, WLM should NOT also launch WM! The two programs are entirely separate
> >> >> >> and can actually run side-by-side, but neither really knows anything about
> >> >> >> the other - except when we try to import/export messages between them. WLM
> >> >> >> does try to import data from WM during initial installation, but it does not
> >> >> >> cause WM to start. And, as you know, you cannot uninstall WM from Vista.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> HOW do you launch WLM? From the Start menu item that WLM put there at
> >> >> >> installation? Or from an icon on your Desktop that you created? Or...?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Your other posts say that you are using IMAP and Hotmail. All I know about
> >> >> >> is POP3. But I don't think that is a factor in this problem.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> RC
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> R. C. White, CPA
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "telworthy" <telworthy@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:B3E0F8F6-347D-4C8F-B74A-31D093033065@xxxxxx
> >> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Further to previous posts I have made surrounding wlm crashing whilst
> >> >> >> > shutting whilst within an IMAP folder I have made further progress.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I did a system restore.
> >> >> >> > I loaded up windows live mail. Then automatically a window comes up if I
> >> >> >> > want to make WINDOWS MAIL my default email handler (i tick no) and then
> >> >> >> > asks
> >> >> >> > me to put in account information. If I cancel this it takes me to windows
> >> >> >> > live mail with my normal accounts in place. However in task manager both
> >> >> >> > windows live mail and windows mail are running in the process list.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So it would seem that launching WLM also causes WM to launch and want to
> >> >> >> > set
> >> >> >> > itself up as me email client. As long as i cancell all prompts from WM i
> >> >> >> > can
> >> >> >> > now shut down WLM no problem at all whilst in an imap account with out it
> >> >> >> > crashing.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > My question is...how do I stop Windows Mail automatically launching when i
> >> >> >> > click on Windows Live Mail. It does not appear that you can uninstall
> >> >> >> > windows
> >> >> >> > mail in any case.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Tim