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Old 05-30-2009   #1 (permalink)
gwmbox


 
 

WLM and Virus Scanners

New WLM user (as per my other posts)

Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean when
using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the mail and
so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?

Cheers

Greg

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2009   #2 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

The explicit e-mail scanner component is totally unnecessary and may
cause problems doing send/receive so it's generally recommend that it
not be installed (applies to all anti-virus products).

By default, AVG scans EML (e-mails) and NWS (news posts). So every time
you select a message to view in the reading pane or in its own window,
AVG scans it.

You can disable that by removing EML and NWS files from the files types
to scan in the AVG settings. Even doing that, AVG will still scan any
attachments before you open them,



--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

> New WLM user (as per my other posts)
>
> Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean
> when
> using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the
> mail and
> so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
>
> Cheers
>
> Greg

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2009   #3 (permalink)
N. Miller


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

On Sat, 30 May 2009 08:53:01 -0700, gwmbox wrote:
Quote:

> New WLM user (as per my other posts)
>
> Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean when
> using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the mail and
> so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
E-mail scanning is a risky kludge. Your scanner intercepts the email
transaction, writes the email as a file to the local HDD, then scans it.
These extra steps can cause problems; especially if the client thinks the
operation is taking too long.

If you disable virus scanning of email (not the regulare AV scan), your
client stores the email to the HDD. Same as the AV email scanner. If you
attempt any operation on an email attachment, your AV memory resident
scanner will kick in and scan that file. So your AV email scan is a
redundant operation. And risks problems because it is a Rube Goldberg
contraption, prone to failure.

It is best not to allow an AV program to scan email; install it so it just
acts as a memory resident, on-access scanner, and you will be just as well
protected. Email scanning is just an AV marketing gimmick; nothing more.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2009   #4 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

For an explanation of why email scanning is not recommended, see
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm

Also, the originator of the email scanning concept admits that it
is redundant and unnecessary:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

> New WLM user (as per my other posts)
>
> Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean when
> using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the mail and
> so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
>
> Cheers
>
> Greg
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2009   #5 (permalink)
gwmbox


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

Thanks Michael, however I find your info a bit puzzling, are you saying not
do email scanning, isn't that one of the main reasons that virus's get out
and about - i.e. via email?

Cheers

Greg

"Michael Santovec" wrote:
Quote:

> The explicit e-mail scanner component is totally unnecessary and may
> cause problems doing send/receive so it's generally recommend that it
> not be installed (applies to all anti-virus products).
>
> By default, AVG scans EML (e-mails) and NWS (news posts). So every time
> you select a message to view in the reading pane or in its own window,
> AVG scans it.
>
> You can disable that by removing EML and NWS files from the files types
> to scan in the AVG settings. Even doing that, AVG will still scan any
> attachments before you open them,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > New WLM user (as per my other posts)
> >
> > Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean
> > when
> > using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the
> > mail and
> > so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Greg
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-30-2009   #6 (permalink)
gwmbox


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

Hi Gray - excellent thanks for teh links that really helps as I was about to
go and research it mysefl

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
Quote:

> For an explanation of why email scanning is not recommended, see
> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm
>
> Also, the originator of the email scanning concept admits that it
> is redundant and unnecessary:
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > New WLM user (as per my other posts)
> >
> > Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean when
> > using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the mail and
> > so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Greg
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-31-2009   #7 (permalink)
N. Miller


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

On Sat, 30 May 2009 19:26:00 -0700, gwmbox wrote:
Quote:

> Thanks Michael, however I find your info a bit puzzling, are you saying not
> do email scanning, isn't that one of the main reasons that virus's get out
> and about - i.e. via email?
I have a folder full of viral email on another computer. Viruses get around
when people run viral attachments, not when they receive them.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-31-2009   #8 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

There are several places where anti-virus scanning can be done regarding
e-mail.

1) The best place is on the mail server. Most mail server software
offers a clean interface to anti-virus software. The mail service can
keep their anti-virus software up-to-date and it automatically takes
care of all of their customers without any customer intervention.

2) About the worst place is on the user PC between the mail server and
the mail client. There's no clean interface for this and it can cause
send/receive problems. If your anti-virus software offers an e-mail
scanning component, this is likely where it is doing the scanning.

3) The anti-virus can scan messages as they are opened/viewed.
Depending on the e-mail client and anti-virus software, this can be very
bad, or not so bad. In the case of Outlook Express which uses
monolithic DBX files that are prone to corruption, this has resulted in
a lot of message loss. In the case of Windows Live Mail which uses
individual EML and NWS files. It's not a big deal. Even if you tell
AVG not to install the e-mail scanner (which relates to #2 above), by
default it still scans EML and NWS files.

4) Scanning of attachments as they are opened. Manually opening e-mail
attachments is where 99% of e-mail virus enter the system. Your
anti-virus resident scanner will be checking for these. This component
is also checking files that you download from web sites, or get from
other means such as USB flash drives, CD/DVD, etc.

As for getting viruses, besides manually opening attachments in e-mails
that you did not request, the other common method is downloading and
installing software from web sites.

And no anti-virus software will catch all viruses. You need to be
careful what you open.



--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:06E239DF-76B8-43B0-AB3C-B223B3172861@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Thanks Michael, however I find your info a bit puzzling, are you
> saying not
> do email scanning, isn't that one of the main reasons that virus's get
> out
> and about - i.e. via email?
>
> Cheers
>
> Greg
>
> "Michael Santovec" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> The explicit e-mail scanner component is totally unnecessary and may
>> cause problems doing send/receive so it's generally recommend that it
>> not be installed (applies to all anti-virus products).
>>
>> By default, AVG scans EML (e-mails) and NWS (news posts). So every
>> time
>> you select a message to view in the reading pane or in its own
>> window,
>> AVG scans it.
>>
>> You can disable that by removing EML and NWS files from the files
>> types
>> to scan in the AVG settings. Even doing that, AVG will still scan
>> any
>> attachments before you open them,
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > New WLM user (as per my other posts)
>> >
>> > Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I
>> > mean
>> > when
>> > using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the
>> > mail and
>> > so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Greg
>>
>>
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 06-01-2009   #9 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: WLM and Virus Scanners

You're very welcome.
I haven't used email scanning since the early days when OE had trouble with it.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A1B63725-4D8A-49DF-8B93-132A49FCD19F@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hi Gray - excellent thanks for teh links that really helps as I was about to
> go and research it mysefl
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> For an explanation of why email scanning is not recommended, see
>> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm
>>
>> Also, the originator of the email scanning concept admits that it
>> is redundant and unnecessary:
>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT...02111812533106
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>
>>
>> "gwmbox" <gwmbox@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:5692AAC0-7241-487F-B847-64CF5BA66048@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > New WLM user (as per my other posts)
>> >
>> > Can someone tell me does email scanning work with WLM. In that I mean when
>> > using Outlook or Thunderbird the AVG 8.5 (paid version) scanned the mail and
>> > so on - does the same thing happen with WLM mail?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Greg
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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