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Old 09-24-2009   #1 (permalink)
GbH


 
 

Recovered Folders?

Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.

Got a couple of questions.
When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety of
other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them
and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes that the
'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence
they came, wherever that might be. Now however the number is becoming
unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the
'rules' over them and then deleting them. This gets to the second
question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went
mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have
suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?

--

Geoff
ExploitEd
--

Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question



My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-24-2009   #2 (permalink)
Ron Sommer


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

There are very few posts with Recovered Items folder or crash problems.
How often do you close WLMail?
Do you close WLMail and then shutdown your computer?
Are you scanning email with an anti-virus?

I get recovered items so seldom that I don't pay much attention to them.

You can drag WLMail messages from the WLMail message store to an open OE
folder. You can't export.
--
Ron Sommer
MVP-Mail

"GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>
> Got a couple of questions.
> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
> generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety of
> other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them
> and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes that the
> 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence they
> came, wherever that might be. Now however the number is becoming
> unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the
> 'rules' over them and then deleting them. This gets to the second
> question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went
> mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have
> suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>
> --
>
> Geoff
> ExploitEd
> --
>
> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could remember
> the darn question
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-25-2009   #3 (permalink)
...winston


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

I rarely see WLM generating items for the Recovered items folder..when I do, it is usually my fault.
I've also rarely found anything in that folder that needs saving or archiving that didn't exist or was available elsewhere, thus
deletion of the subfolders below Recovered items root folder is my usual approach.


No, WLM can not be exported into OE.
OE development ceased long ago, thus nor does OE include the ability to import from WLM's message store.

Messages saved as *.eml files(dragged out of WLM or exported using WLM/File/Export/Message to an Explorer folder) can be dragged
back into OE.


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>
> Got a couple of questions.
> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a
> variety of other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto
> mine in the hopes that the 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence they came, wherever that might
> be. Now however the number is becoming unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the 'rules' over them
> and then deleting them. This gets to the second question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went mammeries
> skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>
> --
>
> Geoff
> ExploitEd
> --
>
> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could remember the darn question
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-25-2009   #4 (permalink)
Ron Sommer


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

You can drag messages from the WLMail store to an open OE folder. The
unique eml file name makes it hard to know which email you are moving. In
this case, use the eml file date. Only drag files dated after the WLMail
install.
--
Ron Sommer
MVP-Mail

"...winston" <winstonmvp@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:#UvcFgbPKHA.4208@newsgroup
Quote:

> I rarely see WLM generating items for the Recovered items folder..when I
> do, it is usually my fault.
> I've also rarely found anything in that folder that needs saving or
> archiving that didn't exist or was available elsewhere, thus deletion of
> the subfolders below Recovered items root folder is my usual approach.
>
>
> No, WLM can not be exported into OE.
> OE development ceased long ago, thus nor does OE include the ability to
> import from WLM's message store.
>
> Messages saved as *.eml files(dragged out of WLM or exported using
> WLM/File/Export/Message to an Explorer folder) can be dragged back into
> OE.
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>>
>> Got a couple of questions.
>> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
>> generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety of
>> other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them
>> and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes that the
>> 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence
>> they came, wherever that might be. Now however the number is becoming
>> unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the
>> 'rules' over them and then deleting them. This gets to the second
>> question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went
>> mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have
>> suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
>> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Geoff
>> ExploitEd
>> --
>>
>> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
>> remember the darn question
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-25-2009   #5 (permalink)
GbH


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?


"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:el8QFAYPKHA.764@newsgroup
Quote:

> There are very few posts with Recovered Items folder or crash
> problems.
> How often do you close WLMail?
Generally, intentionally only once a day.
WLM seems quite capable of falling over all on its own, Most noticeably
when changing between mail and news.
Quote:

> Do you close WLMail and then shutdown your computer?
Yes.
Quote:

> Are you scanning email with an anti-virus?
Most certainly not. Avast has been reconfigured without its the mail
parts, effectively uninstall/reinstall.
Quote:

> I get recovered items so seldom that I don't pay much attention to
> them.
Lucky you.

Quote:

> You can drag WLMail messages from the WLMail message store to an open
> OE folder. You can't export.
I was afraid that was going to be the answer. That might be a lengthy
exercise!
Can OE Import a pile of .eml files at one time?

Quote:

> --
> Ron Sommer
> MVP-Mail
>
> "GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>>
>> Got a couple of questions.
>> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
>> generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety
>> of other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with
>> them and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes
>> that the 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered?
>> contents whence they came, wherever that might be. Now however the
>> number is becoming unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them,
>> or maybe running the 'rules' over them and then deleting them. This
>> gets to the second question. If they contain massages that were in
>> limbo when WLM went mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates
>> when 'ruled' as I have suggested, and if so how can these duplicates
>> be removed?
>> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Geoff
>> ExploitEd
>> --
>>
>> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
>> remember the darn question
>>

--

Geoff
ExploitEd
--

Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-25-2009   #6 (permalink)
Ron Sommer


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

Use OE for your newsgroups and let WLMail continue doing email.
There are several people who use OE for newsgroups.

I don't think that OE can import eml files.
Highlight one message, Ctrl + A, drag and drop.
--
Ron Sommer
MS MVP-Mail

"GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OJO0KfePKHA.1876@newsgroup
Quote:

>
> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:el8QFAYPKHA.764@newsgroup
Quote:

>> There are very few posts with Recovered Items folder or crash problems.
>> How often do you close WLMail?
>
> Generally, intentionally only once a day.
> WLM seems quite capable of falling over all on its own, Most noticeably
> when changing between mail and news.
>
Quote:

>> Do you close WLMail and then shutdown your computer?
>
> Yes.
>
Quote:

>> Are you scanning email with an anti-virus?
>
> Most certainly not. Avast has been reconfigured without its the mail
> parts, effectively uninstall/reinstall.
>
Quote:

>> I get recovered items so seldom that I don't pay much attention to them.
> Lucky you.
>
>
Quote:

>> You can drag WLMail messages from the WLMail message store to an open OE
>> folder. You can't export.
>
> I was afraid that was going to be the answer. That might be a lengthy
> exercise!
> Can OE Import a pile of .eml files at one time?
>
>
Quote:

>> --
>> Ron Sommer
>> MVP-Mail
>>
>> "GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

>>> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>>>
>>> Got a couple of questions.
>>> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
>>> generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety of
>>> other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them
>>> and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes that the
>>> 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence
>>> they came, wherever that might be. Now however the number is becoming
>>> unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the
>>> 'rules' over them and then deleting them. This gets to the second
>>> question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went
>>> mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have
>>> suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
>>> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>> ExploitEd
>>> --
>>>
>>> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
>>> remember the darn question
>>>
>
>
> --
>
> Geoff
> ExploitEd
> --
>
> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could remember
> the darn question
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-25-2009   #7 (permalink)
...winston


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

Yes, especially in XP since the Subject header is not available.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail
"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@newsgroup> wrote in message news:%23%23jjF%23cPKHA.1280@newsgroup
You can drag messages from the WLMail store to an open OE folder. The
unique eml file name makes it hard to know which email you are moving. In
this case, use the eml file date. Only drag files dated after the WLMail
install.
--
Ron Sommer
MVP-Mail

"...winston" <winstonmvp@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:#UvcFgbPKHA.4208@newsgroup
Quote:

> I rarely see WLM generating items for the Recovered items folder..when I
> do, it is usually my fault.
> I've also rarely found anything in that folder that needs saving or
> archiving that didn't exist or was available elsewhere, thus deletion of
> the subfolders below Recovered items root folder is my usual approach.
>
>
> No, WLM can not be exported into OE.
> OE development ceased long ago, thus nor does OE include the ability to
> import from WLM's message store.
>
> Messages saved as *.eml files(dragged out of WLM or exported using
> WLM/File/Export/Message to an Explorer folder) can be dragged back into
> OE.
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:euAf1WWPKHA.5032@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Good Evening, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Muppets etc.
>>
>> Got a couple of questions.
>> When WLM falls over, which it does horribly frequently, it seems to
>> generate a 'Recovered Items Folder' which seems to contain a variety of
>> other folders containing stuff. What is one supposed to do with them
>> and/or their contents? I've been hanging onto mine in the hopes that the
>> 'compaction' or 'indexing' will return the recovered? contents whence
>> they came, wherever that might be. Now however the number is becoming
>> unmanageable and I'm contemplating deleting them, or maybe running the
>> 'rules' over them and then deleting them. This gets to the second
>> question. If they contain massages that were in limbo when WLM went
>> mammeries skywards, will they become duplicates when 'ruled' as I have
>> suggested, and if so how can these duplicates be removed?
>> And finally, can WLM be exported (back) into OE6?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Geoff
>> ExploitEd
>> --
>>
>> Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
>> remember the darn question
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-27-2009   #8 (permalink)
GbH


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?


"Ron Sommer" <rsommer@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OAkUokgPKHA.4244@newsgroup
Quote:

> Use OE for your newsgroups and let WLMail continue doing email.
> There are several people who use OE for newsgroups.
I think the major difficulty I had with OE before migrating to WLM was
down to a newsgroup! The poor old massage store couldn't cope with its
size, it was/is a big sucker! Kept falling over, when I found WLM had a
more robust massage store I hung out the flags and jumped ship. I think?
those crashes are not present in WLM, BICBW, WLM however, has its own
crop of problems, which do not seem to be being addressed. It seems
these difficulties are down to what can only be described as a massive
NIH syndrome. Those excellent parts of OE that functioned well were
abandoned and rewritten it seems just because they were part of OE. The
axiom, threw the baby out with the bath water comes to mind! This
behaviour is common in an inexperienced development management
organisation, unfortunately such organisations rarely 'grow out of it',
consequently it is unlikely WLM will ever get developed to the state of
a fixed OE. Oh, it'll have fancy bells and whistles and other fun
things, like an insipid display and cloud cuckoo land capability. BUT IT
WILL NEVER PERFORM THE TASK REQUIRED. Doing that is no fun!

Of a consequence I think I will migrate back to OE for my mail, which
seemed to work just fine and use WLM for UseNet, where it seems to
function adequately, who knows without the mail overhead it might just
work OK.
I have a package I purchased a while back that identifies duplicates in
OE and can eliminate them if requested. If drag n dropping my saved
email back from this CoS produces duplication I can at least address it.
Rules function correctly (ie manually) in OE so I can organise myself
again!

Geoff
ExploitEd
--

Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-27-2009   #9 (permalink)
GbH


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?


"GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:eGMHAM2PKHA.1372@newsgroup
Quote:

>
> "Ron Sommer" <rsommer@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:OAkUokgPKHA.4244@newsgroup
Quote:

>> Use OE for your newsgroups and let WLMail continue doing email.
>> There are several people who use OE for newsgroups.
>
> I think the major difficulty I had with OE before migrating to WLM was
> down to a newsgroup! The poor old massage store couldn't cope with its
> size, it was/is a big sucker! Kept falling over, when I found WLM had
> a more robust massage store I hung out the flags and jumped ship. I
> think? those crashes are not present in WLM, BICBW, WLM however, has
> its own crop of problems, which do not seem to be being addressed. It
> seems these difficulties are down to what can only be described as a
> massive NIH syndrome. Those excellent parts of OE that functioned well
> were abandoned and rewritten it seems just because they were part of
> OE. The axiom, threw the baby out with the bath water comes to mind!
> This behaviour is common in an inexperienced development management
> organisation, unfortunately such organisations rarely 'grow out of
> it', consequently it is unlikely WLM will ever get developed to the
> state of a fixed OE. Oh, it'll have fancy bells and whistles and other
> fun things, like an insipid display and cloud cuckoo land capability.
> BUT IT WILL NEVER PERFORM THE TASK REQUIRED. Doing that is no fun!
>
> Of a consequence I think I will migrate back to OE for my mail, which
> seemed to work just fine and use WLM for UseNet, where it seems to
> function adequately, who knows without the mail overhead it might just
> work OK.
> I have a package I purchased a while back that identifies duplicates
> in OE and can eliminate them if requested. If drag n dropping my saved
> email back from this CoS produces duplication I can at least address
> it. Rules function correctly (ie manually) in OE so I can organise
> myself again!
Stand up the boy who said "Thanks be to God, he's clearing off!"
Sorry to disappoint, if you read it again, you'll see I'm only going to
OE for mail!!!!!
I shall continue to monitor here in the somewhat vain hope it, WLM, gets
fixed or the NG is renamed HOTMAIL!


--

Geoff
ExploitEd
--

Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 09-29-2009   #10 (permalink)
...winston


 
 

Re: Recovered Folders?

Hotmail doesn't have a newsgroup.
It never did have a fully sanctioned 'named' group...though some overlap has always occurred well before this newsgroup for Windows
Live Mail existed in the public.msn.discussion and public.internet.mail newsgroups.

WLM is a desktop client. Hotmail is the web interface for accessing the services provided with any Live ID.

Hotmail questions/answers/solutions are found here:
http://windowslivehelp.com/

It is unlikely that this group will be renamed Hotmail...thus continuing to monitor this group for that change will most likely be
in vain.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"GbH" <Geoff_Hannington@newsgroup> wrote in message news:uF#KuB6PKHA.1796@newsgroup
Quote:

> I shall continue to monitor here in the somewhat vain hope it, WLM, gets fixed or the NG is renamed HOTMAIL!

My System SpecsSystem Spec
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