I read vague references (slow, awkward, cumbersome) to WLM
not being as useful as WM with respect to newsgroups. I'd
appreciate some very specific differences that have been
noted between how those two email programs handle
newsgroups.



Thanks.
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CWLee
Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to sacred
cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not quotas, and
promote for performance, not preferences.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:17:10 -0700, CWLee wrote:

> I read vague references (slow, awkward, cumbersome) to WLM
> not being as useful as WM with respect to newsgroups. I'd
> appreciate some very specific differences that have been
> noted between how those two email programs handle
> newsgroups.

As a family, MS clients (MS Outlook Express, Windows Mail, and Windows Live
Mail) fail to:

1.) Strip signatures indicated by the dash-dash-space-endline characters.
2.) Choke on MID$s when the thread gets several posts deep.
3.) Don't thread articles by MID$; such that any two articles with the
exact same characters in the "Subject:" line, but otherwise unrelated, will
be threaded together.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail have the additional capability to access
the "Microsoft Communities"; ostensibly to rate posts, and other cool things
not need for NNTP access. This capability has resulted in quirky behavior
for some users.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

"N. Miller" <anonymous@newsgroup> wrote:

> As a family, MS clients (MS Outlook Express, Windows Mail,
> and Windows Live
> Mail) fail to:
>
> 1.) Strip signatures indicated by the
> dash-dash-space-endline characters.
> 2.) Choke on MID$s when the thread gets several posts
> deep.
> 3.) Don't thread articles by MID$; such that any two
> articles with the
> exact same characters in the "Subject:" line, but
> otherwise unrelated, will
> be threaded together.

OK, but if that is common to all three it doesn't address
the issue of differences between WM and WLM (regarding
newsgroups.)

> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail have the additional
> capability ...

OK, but again, if they both have that, then it doesn't
address the issue of differences between WM and WLM
(regarding newsgrops.)

I'm quite happy with the way WM handles newsgroups for me,
and am hoping that WLM would work the same. Others have
suggested that their newsgroup reading experience has been
degraded when they switched from WM to WLM; that is what I'm
trying to learn more about.

Thanks.

In WLMail it is a pain to change the view from hide read messages to show
all messages.
View, Show or hide, ....
In OE, there is a Views bar to click to change views.
--
Ron Sommer
MS MVP-Mail

"CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:OA$Pj64TKHA.5004@newsgroup

>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@newsgroup> wrote:
>

>> As a family, MS clients (MS Outlook Express, Windows Mail, and Windows
>> Live
>> Mail) fail to:
>>
>> 1.) Strip signatures indicated by the dash-dash-space-endline
>> characters.
>> 2.) Choke on MID$s when the thread gets several posts deep.
>> 3.) Don't thread articles by MID$; such that any two articles with the
>> exact same characters in the "Subject:" line, but otherwise unrelated,
>> will
>> be threaded together.

>
> OK, but if that is common to all three it doesn't address the issue of
> differences between WM and WLM (regarding newsgroups.)
>

>> Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail have the additional capability ...

>
> OK, but again, if they both have that, then it doesn't address the issue
> of differences between WM and WLM (regarding newsgrops.)
>
> I'm quite happy with the way WM handles newsgroups for me, and am hoping
> that WLM would work the same. Others have suggested that their newsgroup
> reading experience has been degraded when they switched from WM to WLM;
> that is what I'm trying to learn more about.
>
> Thanks.

When I tried Windows Live Mail newsgroups about one year ago,
I found the program to be slow in switching modes between
Newsgroups mode and Mail mode. Also, when switching back to
newsgroups, the program loses its place where you left off reading
the news posts, especially so if you have "Hide Read Messages"
enabled.

Ron already mentioned the other shortcoming. Windows Live Mail
makes it awkward to switch rapidly between "Hide Read Messages"
and "Show All Messages". This is a dealbreaker for us frequent
responders.

I use WM for newsgroups and WLM for mail, allowing me to switch
instantly between the two without losing the place where I left off.
It's the best of both worlds.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message news:%23oEjWb2TKHA.1232@newsgroup

>
> I read vague references (slow, awkward, cumbersome) to WLM
> not being as useful as WM with respect to newsgroups. I'd
> appreciate some very specific differences that have been
> noted between how those two email programs handle
> newsgroups.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> ----------
> CWLee
> Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to sacred
> cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not quotas, and
> promote for performance, not preferences.
>

"CWLee" <cdubyalee@newsgroup> wrote in message news:#oEjWb2TKHA.1232@newsgroup

>
> I read vague references (slow, awkward, cumbersome) to WLM
> not being as useful as WM with respect to newsgroups. I'd
> appreciate some very specific differences that have been
> noted between how those two email programs handle
> newsgroups.

The worst difference IMO is the UI. WM is closer to the usability
of OE. WLMail changes it arbitrarily and not for the better in *any*
case that I can think of. Change for change's sake only it seems.

I don't use WM much but I suspect that in addition to all the
deliberate UI incompatibilities that WLMail is the buggier
of the two, thereby compounding our annoyances
and frustrations from trying to use it.


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