Vista - port question

02-23-2008

Hi,

I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem.
The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the
modem.

All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for
example:
10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc.
I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and if
possible
video-chat as well.

What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize
this?

When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example:
(internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp
This was enough to have voice- or video chat.
But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need to
be
openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn)

Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this.

Thanks in advance,

heian

02-23-2008

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:14:47 +0100, heian wrote:

Quote:

> There are three options for UP&P:
> full, secure, off
>
> Full is enabled, so it should work like this.
>
> But what i still don't understand, why is life messenger opening these ports
> by itselfs,
> and why i need to forward some ports of certain programs? (like eMule,
> server programs,
> remote programs) What is the difference with them and WLM ?
> (ps, if this is to much OT, i will go to an other forum)
>
> Thanks for the help anyway!

Some programs don't use UPnP, other times there are problems between the
router implementation of UPnP and the application implementation.

I have only used three programs which worked with UPnP, Windows Live
Messenger, BitTornado (a BitTorrent client), and uTorrent (a BitTorrent
client).

BitTornado had two options for UPnP: Fast and Slow. Only the "Slow" option
worked with my router. The uTorrent implementation of UPnP does not work
with my router at all.

In the end, because of published examples of exploits which allow
applications unauthorized access to port manipulation on the router, I chose
to disable UPnP on my router. If this breaks Windows Live Messenger, so be
it. I won't sacrifice the security of my router for the sake of convenience.
(My router does not offer a "secure" UPnP option; it is either "Enabled", or
"Disabled".)

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

02-23-2008

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message

Quote:

> (My router does not offer a "secure" UPnP option; it is either "Enabled", or
> "Disabled".)

The "secure" option locks down the UPnP commands to addition/deletion of ports and only to
the node requesting it (as opposed to allowing you to open ports to other PCs).

A lot of routers (at least the ones I've owned), haven't had a full and complete
implementation of UPnP in terms of an internet gateway device and were in a sort of "secure"
mode already just by virtue of the lack of functionality. But Messenger will work anyway,
just direct connection things will be more inconsistent.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

02-23-2008

Hi,

Just for some clarification with these ports, mainly because people search for this stuff.

6901 has not been used for Messenger since MSN Messenger 3.x.

There is a KB article on all the specific ports required, although Universal Plug and Play
(UPnP) will just open and forward them anyway. This information is really only good for
configuring software firewalls:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/927847

And yes, those are ranges in the article.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

"heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:47c06de7$0$25467$ba620dc5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi,
>
> I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem.
> The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the modem.
>
> All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for example:
> 10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc.
> I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and if possible
> video-chat as well.
>
> What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize this?
>
> When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example:
> (internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp
> This was enough to have voice- or video chat.
> But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need to be
> openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn)
>
> Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> heian
>
>

02-24-2008

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht
news:57318B01-8356-42C8-8DA8-0BB9B1B10209@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi,
>
> Just for some clarification with these ports, mainly because people search
> for this stuff.
>
> 6901 has not been used for Messenger since MSN Messenger 3.x.
>
> There is a KB article on all the specific ports required, although
> Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) will just open and forward them anyway.
> This information is really only good for configuring software firewalls:
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/927847
>
> And yes, those are ranges in the article.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature
> or citation
> --
>
>
> "heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:47c06de7$0$25467$ba620dc5@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem.
>> The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the
>> modem.
>>
>> All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for
>> example:
>> 10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc.
>> I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and
>> if possible
>> video-chat as well.
>>
>> What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize
>> this?
>>
>> When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example:
>> (internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp
>> This was enough to have voice- or video chat.
>> But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need
>> to be
>> openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn)
>>
>> Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> heian
>>
>>

>

It was very confusing about this stuff, but now i understand
what happend and why.
Thanks you all for the reply!

heian

02-24-2008

Hi Heian,

Glad I could be of assistance. It really bugs me that even some Microsoft sources are still
promoting the wrong ports -- and people wonder why it doesn't work.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

"heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:47c19173$0$25474$ba620dc5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> It was very confusing about this stuff, but now i understand
> what happend and why.
> Thanks you all for the reply!
>
> heian
>

02-23-2008	#1 (permalink)
heian n/a posts	port question Hi, I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem. The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the modem. All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for example: 10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc. I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and if possible video-chat as well. What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize this? When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example: (internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp This was enough to have voice- or video chat. But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need to be openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn) Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this. Thanks in advance, heian
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02-23-2008	#2 (permalink)
N. Miller n/a posts	Re: port question On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:14:47 +0100, heian wrote: Quote: > There are three options for UP&P: > full, secure, off > > Full is enabled, so it should work like this. > > But what i still don't understand, why is life messenger opening these ports > by itselfs, > and why i need to forward some ports of certain programs? (like eMule, > server programs, > remote programs) What is the difference with them and WLM ? > (ps, if this is to much OT, i will go to an other forum) > > Thanks for the help anyway! Some programs don't use UPnP, other times there are problems between the router implementation of UPnP and the application implementation. I have only used three programs which worked with UPnP, Windows Live Messenger, BitTornado (a BitTorrent client), and uTorrent (a BitTorrent client). BitTornado had two options for UPnP: Fast and Slow. Only the "Slow" option worked with my router. The uTorrent implementation of UPnP does not work with my router at all. In the end, because of published examples of exploits which allow applications unauthorized access to port manipulation on the router, I chose to disable UPnP on my router. If this breaks Windows Live Messenger, so be it. I won't sacrifice the security of my router for the sake of convenience. (My router does not offer a "secure" UPnP option; it is either "Enabled", or "Disabled".) -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System Specs

02-23-2008	#3 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: port question "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message Quote: > (My router does not offer a "secure" UPnP option; it is either "Enabled", or > "Disabled".) The "secure" option locks down the UPnP commands to addition/deletion of ports and only to the node requesting it (as opposed to allowing you to open ports to other PCs). A lot of routers (at least the ones I've owned), haven't had a full and complete implementation of UPnP in terms of an internet gateway device and were in a sort of "secure" mode already just by virtue of the lack of functionality. But Messenger will work anyway, just direct connection things will be more inconsistent. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation --
My System Specs

02-23-2008	#4 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: port question Hi, Just for some clarification with these ports, mainly because people search for this stuff. 6901 has not been used for Messenger since MSN Messenger 3.x. There is a KB article on all the specific ports required, although Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) will just open and forward them anyway. This information is really only good for configuring software firewalls: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/927847 And yes, those are ranges in the article. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:47c06de7$0$25467$ba620dc5@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi, > > I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem. > The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the modem. > > All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for example: > 10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc. > I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and if possible > video-chat as well. > > What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize this? > > When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example: > (internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp > This was enough to have voice- or video chat. > But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need to be > openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn) > > Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this. > > Thanks in advance, > > heian > >
My System Specs

02-24-2008	#5 (permalink)
heian n/a posts	Re: port question "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht news:57318B01-8356-42C8-8DA8-0BB9B1B10209@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi, > > Just for some clarification with these ports, mainly because people search > for this stuff. > > 6901 has not been used for Messenger since MSN Messenger 3.x. > > There is a KB article on all the specific ports required, although > Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) will just open and forward them anyway. > This information is really only good for configuring software firewalls: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/927847 > > And yes, those are ranges in the article. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > > "heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:47c06de7$0$25467$ba620dc5@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi, >> >> I got several computers connected via a hub, to my speedtouch 510 modem. >> The port forwarding i like to do myself with NAPT settings option in the >> modem. >> >> All these computers have their own permanent (intern) Ip address, for >> example: >> 10.0.0.aaa , 10.0.0.bbb , 10.0.0.ccc. >> I would like to use WLM on all these computers, specially voice-chat and >> if possible >> video-chat as well. >> >> What i still don't understand is, do i need to forward ports to realize >> this? >> >> When i had only one computer, i forwarded for example: >> (internal Ip): port 6901 to (external Ip): port 6901 tcp >> This was enough to have voice- or video chat. >> But how about for the other computers? Some sites tell that there need >> to be >> openend more ports, like 5004 udp for videochat (msn) >> >> Hope that someone can give me an idea how to configure this. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> heian >> >> > It was very confusing about this stuff, but now i understand what happend and why. Thanks you all for the reply! heian
My System Specs

02-24-2008	#6 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: port question Hi Heian, Glad I could be of assistance. It really bugs me that even some Microsoft sources are still promoting the wrong ports -- and people wonder why it doesn't work. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "heian" <siamlover@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:47c19173$0$25474$ba620dc5@xxxxxx Quote: > It was very confusing about this stuff, but now i understand > what happend and why. > Thanks you all for the reply! > > heian >
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