Re: MSN Messenger and START list problems

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MANIAC~VVV~ wrote:

Greetings,

I really have no idea what you're seeing but I can assure you that the Messenger USN Service
had nothing to do with it -- if it's part of the "MSN" [not Messenger] Client, I wouldn't
know though.

What exactly is in the Event Logs that "proves" MSN or Messenger is at fault at deletion of
shortcuts (or applications) though? It really has no reason to touch things like that.

If you're looking for a quick fix, I suggest using System Restore though.

~random wave at PA Bear~

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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Oa8X0WbxIHA.2292@xxxxxx

The event logs clearly show an error message not generated before in over 4
months, since the last re-install.

Cause of the error, my "forcing" closure of the idiot designed messenger
"defrag" srevice.
Since I routinely force this service closed, many previous entries were
there to compare with.

And yes, I agree that Messenger/MSN services have no reason to "touch that"

The problem (well known at Microsoft) is that the MS programs and Windows
are so poorly written and updates are not well thought out.

I seriously doubt that anyone at Microsoft would be able to explain what
happened, except to blame me for running my XP services in a non-standard
mode and forcing closed a service.

I just wanted to post what had happened, so that others with the same "START
programs list" missing programs, would understand it is a Microsoft problem.

The fix required in this instance, 1hr of scanning with 3 different programs
(100% clean), then over 3hrs of uninstalling over $10,000 worth of very large
programs to get back to the point of my last restore, then restoring, re-
loading, re-updating and a full de-frag..... All because of a McDonalds Ad
and/or a MSN Questionaire (that ran on my desktop!)

Microsoft is dead, they just dont know it yet. The only reason they hang on
is charging $200+ for a OS that should be $59 and a Justice Dept that is full
of crooks. Just look at Vista, try and use that OS for the kind of video work
I do....

Thanks for a very rough and stressful night Microsoft, hope that the penny
or nickel you made with those Ad's was worth it. I really dont expect
anything else from Microsoft except more of the same. Sad



"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:

Wow!
With that type of software installed base and being the curious type especially when protection of one's investment is apparently
at risk, would this not be ab appropriate time to consider a non Msft product prior to the next unknown Big Mac attack(e.g. Acronis
True Image or Ghost)?

....winston



"MANIAC~VVV~" <MANIACVVV@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:87C8A43F-2CEE-4033-B790-566A5A578447@xxxxxx
: The event logs clearly show an error message not generated before in over 4
: months, since the last re-install.
:
: Cause of the error, my "forcing" closure of the idiot designed messenger
: "defrag" srevice.
: Since I routinely force this service closed, many previous entries were
: there to compare with.
:
: And yes, I agree that Messenger/MSN services have no reason to "touch that"
:
: The problem (well known at Microsoft) is that the MS programs and Windows
: are so poorly written and updates are not well thought out.
:
: I seriously doubt that anyone at Microsoft would be able to explain what
: happened, except to blame me for running my XP services in a non-standard
: mode and forcing closed a service.
:
: I just wanted to post what had happened, so that others with the same "START
: programs list" missing programs, would understand it is a Microsoft problem.
:
: The fix required in this instance, 1hr of scanning with 3 different programs
: (100% clean), then over 3hrs of uninstalling over $10,000 worth of very large
: programs to get back to the point of my last restore, then restoring, re-
: loading, re-updating and a full de-frag..... All because of a McDonalds Ad
: and/or a MSN Questionaire (that ran on my desktop!)
:
: Microsoft is dead, they just dont know it yet. The only reason they hang on
: is charging $200+ for a OS that should be $59 and a Justice Dept that is full
: of crooks. Just look at Vista, try and use that OS for the kind of video work
: I do....
:
: Thanks for a very rough and stressful night Microsoft, hope that the penny
: or nickel you made with those Ad's was worth it. I really dont expect
: anything else from Microsoft except more of the same. Sad
:
:
:
: "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
:
: > Greetings,
: >
: > I really have no idea what you're seeing but I can assure you that the Messenger USN Service
: > had nothing to do with it -- if it's part of the "MSN" [not Messenger] Client, I wouldn't
: > know though.
: >
: > What exactly is in the Event Logs that "proves" MSN or Messenger is at fault at deletion of
: > shortcuts (or applications) though? It really has no reason to touch things like that.
: >
: > If you're looking for a quick fix, I suggest using System Restore though.
: >
: > ~random wave at PA Bear~
: >
: > --
: > Jonathan Kay
: > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
: > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
: > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
: > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
: > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
: > --
: >
: >
: >
: > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
: > news:Oa8X0WbxIHA.2292@xxxxxx
: > > Forwarded to MSN Messenger & Windows Live Messenger newsgroups via crosspost.
: > > --
: > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
: > > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
: > > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
: > > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
: > >
: > > MANIAC~VVV~ wrote:
: > >> The recent stealth updates were bad enough, but lastnight takes the cake.
: > >>
: > >> While working on a video project lastnight, I needed to look at a e-mail and
: > >> MSN decided to download a (1/3 page size) McDonalds Ad which caused my HD's
: > >> to spin up. As I was right in the middle of something, I chose to shutdown
: > >> MSN.
: > >> -AFTER- MSN had been closed, I got a scrolling (left to right) "MSN
: > >> questionaire" on my DESKTOP! Needless to say I was speachless. I went to my
: > >> Taskmanager and shut down the usnsvc....
: > >>
: > >> Well, guees what that caused... 30 programs were GONE from my START list and
: > >> more than half of my installed programs list were gone also. The reason
: > >> (MSN) was confirmed by viewing the event logs.
: > >>
: > >> Its bad enough to have MS stealth install thru Messenger, but to have such
: > >> bad programming to cause these kinds of problems is unacceptable.
: > >>
: > >> This is the last straw, I dont have 4-5 hours to fix problems from stupid
: > >> Ad's and popups that are buggy.
: > >>
: > >> MS is digging its own grave, by treating its customers this way...how sad.
: > >> I am now looking for for another messenger client.
: > >
: >

> The event logs clearly show an error message not generated before in over And the complete error message was...?

Sounds like a hijackware issue to me.

[If you've got USNSVC.EXE, I believe you're running Windows Live Messenger,
not MSN Messenger.]
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~PA Bear


MANIAC~VVV~ wrote: