Vista - Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account

08-28-2008

Greetings Maury,

Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via POP.
Yet anyway.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
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"Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> I have a new POP-based email client on my new computer. I want to use
> it it to read my Hotmail account so I can archive my mail onto it.
> That way I have a nice searchable database of all my e-mails.
>
> From what I can see, older Hotmail accounts should allow access via
> POP3. Is this correct? If so, can someone point me to details on how
> to do it?
>
> I did what seemed obvious: used pop3.live.com as the incoming server,
> used my ISP's own SMTP as the outgoing server, and provided my account
> name (with and without "@hotmail.com") and password. However, every
> attempt results in:
>
> "Server denied POP3 access for the given username and password."
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Maury

08-30-2008

Hi Maury,

Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook, all which have Hotmail
support built-in (additionally there's the Outlook Connector so you can sync Contacts &
Calendar with Outlook as well).

There's some third-party scrappers for POP access, I don't recall any of them being free
though nor have I tried any of them, so you could try that.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

"Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:198fd9b5-01f1-49a6-b1b1-b81e15c6c2fe@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via
>> POP.

>
> Ahhh. Ok. Looking over the post, I must have mis-read it.
>
> So is there anything else I can use? IMAP? Some sort of scraper? I'd
> really like to get this into some sort of offline text format.
>
> Maury

09-01-2008

If you Hotmail account is not grandfathered then WLM and Outlook 03/07[with the Outlook Connector] are your only choices.

New Hotmail accounts or those not grandfathered are no longer supported in OE or Outlook(without use of the Outlook Connector).

A grandfathered Hotmail account is one that was in use in Outlook Express or Outlook prior to fall 2004 via the WebDAV server *and*
the use in OE was active and the account never expired(hotmail inactivity). Contrary to what you may read elsewhere on the
internet, the age of a Hotmail account does not determine 'grandfathered' status....use of the WebDAV server in OE and OL and use
without expiration does and prior to the fall of 2004 .
The only other exception to use in OE are MSn Premium sub-accounts.

For those accounts that meet the above criteria for use in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector), they both uses the WebDAV
server for hotmail(hotmail.com, or msn.com) access. The WebDAV server is will cease at some future point in time, but no sooner
than Jan 2009.

If you wish to read the some of the original 2004 articles ending free Hotmail access in OE this InfoWorld article is still
around(note. A few items written in Sept 04 are still not correct today, the above information should be used to override anything
that seems contrary to the article).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:198fd9b5-01f1-49a6-b1b1-b81e15c6c2fe@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via POP.

>
> Ahhh. Ok. Looking over the post, I must have mis-read it.
>
> So is there anything else I can use? IMAP? Some sort of scraper? I'd
> really like to get this into some sort of offline text format.
>
> Maury

09-01-2008

Hi Maury,

I'm afraid I don't know anything in that regard, so your Google is as good as mine

I think Entourage in Office:Mac might work based on this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272573

Keep in mind that it would be using WebDAV which winston already discusses in his reply.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
(c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
--

"Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ad7e6ab1-ef7e-4dfa-9772-12886925d05b@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
> <msnewsrepl...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>> Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook

>
> ...on a PC, anything on the Mac you can think of?
>
> Maury

09-01-2008

Pop3 access is limited to
a. Msn.com legacy accounts that retained their pop3 access by never being converted to an http account by refusal to install Msn
Explorer or Msn Premium software, or
b. Hotmail Plus accounts($20/yr U.S.)

If not one of the above, then pop3 access is not applicable.
MSn Legacy and Hotmail Plus
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!171.entry

If a grandfathered Hotmail account(you need to be sure) then the account may be accessible in OE or Outlook via these WebDAV
servers.
Msn.com
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata

Hotmail.com
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

If not grandfathered or an (a) or (b) above type of account, then use of OE or OL is not applicable. Only WLM or OL(with the
Outlook Connector) is possible in Windows.

If you do not use to use an email client within Windows or the Mac because none of the above apply or are desired, you have one
choice..access the account via the Hotmail web user interface(hotmail.com or mail.live.com). Note: If using Safari instead of IE,
you may be prompted twice for the logon username/pw.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:cee61ee4-70e8-4126-84bb-81f2388e2be8@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Sep 1, 2:20 am, "...winston" <winston...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>> If you Hotmail account is not grandfathered then WLM and Outlook 03/07[with the Outlook Connector] are your only choices.
>>
>> New Hotmail accounts or those not grandfathered are no longer supported in OE or Outlook(without use of the Outlook Connector).

>
> That I had heard.
>

Quote:

>> A grandfathered Hotmail account is one that was in use in Outlook Express or Outlook prior to fall 2004 via the WebDAV server
>> *and*
>> the use in OE was active and the account never expired(hotmail inactivity).

>
> I believe that would be the case for my account, but I'm not 100%
> sure.
>

Quote:

>> For those accounts that meet the above criteria for use in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector), they both uses the WebDAV
>> server for hotmail(hotmail.com, or msn.com) access. The WebDAV server is will cease at some future point in time, but no sooner
>> than Jan 2009.

>
> Ok, but what does this do for me? Is there some way to access the mail
> using this interface that does not require a program running under
> Windows or using a Mac app that will not run on my machine.
>
> Maury

09-02-2008

This adds some specifics on Entourage effective April 2007.
http://www.entourage.mvps.org/accounts/hotmail.html

Just in case it gets asked <g>
Hotmail Plus using the pop3/smtp Live.com servers, with port 995/25(incoming/outgoing), SSL encryption(incoming/outgoing), and
username/pw outgoing authentication can be accessed on the iPod Touch or iPhone when the account is setup manually(attempting to do
so via each devices automatic function will fail and abort the setup) since the device(s) interpret the attempt as an non-supported
http account.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uuKeMMKDJHA.232@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi Maury,
>
> I'm afraid I don't know anything in that regard, so your Google is as good as mine

>
> I think Entourage in Office:Mac might work based on this:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272573
>
> Keep in mind that it would be using WebDAV which winston already discusses in his reply.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger
> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com
> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation
> --
>
>
> "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ad7e6ab1-ef7e-4dfa-9772-12886925d05b@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]"
>> <msnewsrepl...@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>>> Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook

>>
>> ...on a PC, anything on the Mac you can think of?
>>
>> Maury

>
>

08-28-2008	#1 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account Greetings Maury, Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via POP. Yet anyway. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:84b884ca-1b47-461f-af14-7d9b068fd5ae@xxxxxx Quote: > I have a new POP-based email client on my new computer. I want to use > it it to read my Hotmail account so I can archive my mail onto it. > That way I have a nice searchable database of all my e-mails. > > From what I can see, older Hotmail accounts should allow access via > POP3. Is this correct? If so, can someone point me to details on how > to do it? > > I did what seemed obvious: used pop3.live.com as the incoming server, > used my ISP's own SMTP as the outgoing server, and provided my account > name (with and without "@hotmail.com") and password. However, every > attempt results in: > > "Server denied POP3 access for the given username and password." > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Maury
My System Specs

08-30-2008	#2 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account Hi Maury, Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook, all which have Hotmail support built-in (additionally there's the Outlook Connector so you can sync Contacts & Calendar with Outlook as well). There's some third-party scrappers for POP access, I don't recall any of them being free though nor have I tried any of them, so you could try that. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:198fd9b5-01f1-49a6-b1b1-b81e15c6c2fe@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via >> POP. > > Ahhh. Ok. Looking over the post, I must have mis-read it. > > So is there anything else I can use? IMAP? Some sort of scraper? I'd > really like to get this into some sort of offline text format. > > Maury
My System Specs

09-01-2008	#3 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account If you Hotmail account is not grandfathered then WLM and Outlook 03/07[with the Outlook Connector] are your only choices. New Hotmail accounts or those not grandfathered are no longer supported in OE or Outlook(without use of the Outlook Connector). A grandfathered Hotmail account is one that was in use in Outlook Express or Outlook prior to fall 2004 via the WebDAV server and the use in OE was active and the account never expired(hotmail inactivity). Contrary to what you may read elsewhere on the internet, the age of a Hotmail account does not determine 'grandfathered' status....use of the WebDAV server in OE and OL and use without expiration does and prior to the fall of 2004 . The only other exception to use in OE are MSn Premium sub-accounts. For those accounts that meet the above criteria for use in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector), they both uses the WebDAV server for hotmail(hotmail.com, or msn.com) access. The WebDAV server is will cease at some future point in time, but no sooner than Jan 2009. If you wish to read the some of the original 2004 articles ending free Hotmail access in OE this InfoWorld article is still around(note. A few items written in Sept 04 are still not correct today, the above information should be used to override anything that seems contrary to the article). -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:198fd9b5-01f1-49a6-b1b1-b81e15c6c2fe@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> Unless you have a paid MSN or Hotmail Plus subscription, you cannot access Hotmail via POP. > > Ahhh. Ok. Looking over the post, I must have mis-read it. > > So is there anything else I can use? IMAP? Some sort of scraper? I'd > really like to get this into some sort of offline text format. > > Maury
My System Specs

09-01-2008	#4 (permalink)
Jonathan Kay [MVP] n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account Hi Maury, I'm afraid I don't know anything in that regard, so your Google is as good as mine I think Entourage in Office:Mac might work based on this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272573 Keep in mind that it would be using WebDAV which winston already discusses in his reply. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ad7e6ab1-ef7e-4dfa-9772-12886925d05b@xxxxxx Quote: > On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" > <msnewsrepl...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >> Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook > > ...on a PC, anything on the Mac you can think of? > > Maury
My System Specs

09-01-2008	#5 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account Pop3 access is limited to a. Msn.com legacy accounts that retained their pop3 access by never being converted to an http account by refusal to install Msn Explorer or Msn Premium software, or b. Hotmail Plus accounts($20/yr U.S.) If not one of the above, then pop3 access is not applicable. MSn Legacy and Hotmail Plus http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!171.entry If a grandfathered Hotmail account(you need to be sure) then the account may be accessible in OE or Outlook via these WebDAV servers. Msn.com http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata Hotmail.com http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp If not grandfathered or an (a) or (b) above type of account, then use of OE or OL is not applicable. Only WLM or OL(with the Outlook Connector) is possible in Windows. If you do not use to use an email client within Windows or the Mac because none of the above apply or are desired, you have one choice..access the account via the Hotmail web user interface(hotmail.com or mail.live.com). Note: If using Safari instead of IE, you may be prompted twice for the logon username/pw. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:cee61ee4-70e8-4126-84bb-81f2388e2be8@xxxxxx Quote: > On Sep 1, 2:20 am, "...winston" <winston...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >> If you Hotmail account is not grandfathered then WLM and Outlook 03/07[with the Outlook Connector] are your only choices. >> >> New Hotmail accounts or those not grandfathered are no longer supported in OE or Outlook(without use of the Outlook Connector). > > That I had heard. > Quote: >> A grandfathered Hotmail account is one that was in use in Outlook Express or Outlook prior to fall 2004 via the WebDAV server >> and >> the use in OE was active and the account never expired(hotmail inactivity). > > I believe that would be the case for my account, but I'm not 100% > sure. > Quote: >> For those accounts that meet the above criteria for use in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector), they both uses the WebDAV >> server for hotmail(hotmail.com, or msn.com) access. The WebDAV server is will cease at some future point in time, but no sooner >> than Jan 2009. > > Ok, but what does this do for me? Is there some way to access the mail > using this interface that does not require a program running under > Windows or using a Mac app that will not run on my machine. > > Maury
My System Specs

09-02-2008	#6 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: POP access to my old Hotmail account This adds some specifics on Entourage effective April 2007. http://www.entourage.mvps.org/accounts/hotmail.html Just in case it gets asked <g> Hotmail Plus using the pop3/smtp Live.com servers, with port 995/25(incoming/outgoing), SSL encryption(incoming/outgoing), and username/pw outgoing authentication can be accessed on the iPod Touch or iPhone when the account is setup manually(attempting to do so via each devices automatic function will fail and abort the setup) since the device(s) interpret the attempt as an non-supported http account. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uuKeMMKDJHA.232@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi Maury, > > I'm afraid I don't know anything in that regard, so your Google is as good as mine > > I think Entourage in Office:Mac might work based on this: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272573 > > Keep in mind that it would be using WebDAV which winston already discusses in his reply. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2008 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > -- > > > "Maury Markowitz" <maury.markowitz@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:ad7e6ab1-ef7e-4dfa-9772-12886925d05b@xxxxxx Quote: >> On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" >> <msnewsrepl...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >>> Well you can use Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail or Outlook >> >> ...on a PC, anything on the Mac you can think of? >> >> Maury > >
My System Specs

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