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| | #1 (permalink) |
| | mobile SMS not working Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact cannot receive SMS I replied. |
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| | Re: mobile SMS not working Greetings, What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as the SMS services are different on every system. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > cannot receive SMS I replied. > > > |
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| | #3 (permalink) |
| | Re: mobile SMS not working Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other side. I use AT&T. "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: > Greetings, > > What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a > response back saying your command was not understood (or something > similar)? > > Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what > country you're in as the SMS services are different on every system. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature > or citation > -- > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and >> reply SMS from my mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive >> SMS send from WLM, my contact cannot receive SMS I replied. >> >> >> |
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| | Re: mobile SMS not working Hi, Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support request to Live Mobile's support: https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation -- "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > side. I use AT&T. > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: >> Greetings, >> >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? >> >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as >> the SMS services are different on every system. >> >> -- >> Jonathan Kay >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation >> -- >> >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. >>> >>> >>> > |
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| | #5 (permalink) |
| | Re: mobile SMS not working Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account (family etc) they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. AT&T and iphones Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: Quote: > Hi, > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > request to Live Mobile's support: > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > -- > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: > >> Greetings, > >> > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > >> > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan Kay > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > >> -- > >> > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > |
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| | #6 (permalink) |
| | Re: mobile SMS not working I'm having the same problem. My friends in Mexico, probably using the Spanish language version of WLM can only send SMS to me, but never receive my replies. This used to work fine. HOWEVER: I have WLM 8.1 (build 8.1.0178.00) on one of my PCs and I CAN send and receive SMS to myself no problem. I just tried from another PC I have here at home that has a newer version and also Spanish language version of WLM. Same problem. I can send SMS to my cell but I never receive the reply. My phone is iPhone 3G on AT&T. "Kolz" wrote: Quote: > Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account > (family etc) > > they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. > doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. > > AT&T and iphones > > Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > Quote: > > Hi, > > > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > > request to Live Mobile's support: > > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > > > -- > > Jonathan Kay > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > -- > > > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx Quote: > > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > >> Greetings, > > >> > > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > > >> > > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jonathan Kay > > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > >> -- > > >> > > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > |
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| | #7 (permalink) |
| | Re: mobile SMS not working Just re-checked my other PC. Running english language WLM (build 14.0.8064.206). Can send SMS to my iPhone. Responses never received. So, seems like this ancient WLM doesn't have this problem but newer ones do. "Robert Green" wrote: Quote: > I'm having the same problem. > > My friends in Mexico, probably using the Spanish language version of WLM > can only send SMS to me, but never receive my replies. This used to work > fine. > > HOWEVER: I have WLM 8.1 (build 8.1.0178.00) on one of my PCs and I CAN send > and receive SMS to myself no problem. > > I just tried from another PC I have here at home that has a newer version > and also Spanish language version of WLM. Same problem. I can send SMS to > my cell but I never receive the reply. > > My phone is iPhone 3G on AT&T. > > > > "Kolz" wrote: > Quote: > > Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account > > (family etc) > > > > they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. > > doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. > > > > AT&T and iphones > > > > Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > > > request to Live Mobile's support: > > > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Kay > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > -- > > > > > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > >> Greetings, > > > >> > > > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > > > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > > > >> > > > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > > > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Jonathan Kay > > > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > > > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > > > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > > > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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| | Re: mobile SMS not working my issue was escalated up at MS .. however the response was more stupid that the entry level response. Nothing of value.. Reestablish MS Mobile.. call carrier. I now know where washed up tech support folks go.. ..free products at MS "Robert Green" wrote: Quote: > Just re-checked my other PC. > > Running english language WLM (build 14.0.8064.206). > > Can send SMS to my iPhone. Responses never received. > > So, seems like this ancient WLM doesn't have this problem but newer ones do. > > "Robert Green" wrote: > Quote: > > I'm having the same problem. > > > > My friends in Mexico, probably using the Spanish language version of WLM > > can only send SMS to me, but never receive my replies. This used to work > > fine. > > > > HOWEVER: I have WLM 8.1 (build 8.1.0178.00) on one of my PCs and I CAN send > > and receive SMS to myself no problem. > > > > I just tried from another PC I have here at home that has a newer version > > and also Spanish language version of WLM. Same problem. I can send SMS to > > my cell but I never receive the reply. > > > > My phone is iPhone 3G on AT&T. > > > > > > > > "Kolz" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account > > > (family etc) > > > > > > they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. > > > doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. > > > > > > AT&T and iphones > > > > > > Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > > > > request to Live Mobile's support: > > > > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jonathan Kay > > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > -- > > > > > > > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > > > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > >> Greetings, > > > > >> > > > > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > > > > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > > > > >> > > > > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > > > > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Jonathan Kay > > > > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > >> -- > > > > >> > > > > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > > > > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > > > > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > > > > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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| | Re: mobile SMS not working Thanks. Somehow that doesn't surprise me. Older MS product works. Newer version of MS product doesn't. Blame AT&T and Apple. Got it! "Kolz" wrote: Quote: > my issue was escalated up at MS .. however the response was more stupid that > the entry level response. > > Nothing of value.. Reestablish MS Mobile.. call carrier. > > I now know where washed up tech support folks go.. ..free products at MS > > "Robert Green" wrote: > Quote: > > Just re-checked my other PC. > > > > Running english language WLM (build 14.0.8064.206). > > > > Can send SMS to my iPhone. Responses never received. > > > > So, seems like this ancient WLM doesn't have this problem but newer ones do. > > > > "Robert Green" wrote: > > Quote: > > > I'm having the same problem. > > > > > > My friends in Mexico, probably using the Spanish language version of WLM > > > can only send SMS to me, but never receive my replies. This used to work > > > fine. > > > > > > HOWEVER: I have WLM 8.1 (build 8.1.0178.00) on one of my PCs and I CAN send > > > and receive SMS to myself no problem. > > > > > > I just tried from another PC I have here at home that has a newer version > > > and also Spanish language version of WLM. Same problem. I can send SMS to > > > my cell but I never receive the reply. > > > > > > My phone is iPhone 3G on AT&T. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kolz" wrote: > > > > > > > Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account > > > > (family etc) > > > > > > > > they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. > > > > doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. > > > > > > > > AT&T and iphones > > > > > > > > Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > > > > > request to Live Mobile's support: > > > > > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jonathan Kay > > > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > > > > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > > >> Greetings, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > > > > > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > > > > > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Jonathan Kay > > > > > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > > > > > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > > > > > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > > > > > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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| | Re: mobile SMS not working I have the same problem and it is not releated to to version of the messenget but to the account. I log into the same version with different account names ant one works and the other doesn't. Settings are all the same.... "Robert Green" wrote: Quote: > Thanks. Somehow that doesn't surprise me. > > Older MS product works. Newer version of MS product doesn't. > > Blame AT&T and Apple. > > Got it! > > "Kolz" wrote: > Quote: > > my issue was escalated up at MS .. however the response was more stupid that > > the entry level response. > > > > Nothing of value.. Reestablish MS Mobile.. call carrier. > > > > I now know where washed up tech support folks go.. ..free products at MS > > > > "Robert Green" wrote: > > Quote: > > > Just re-checked my other PC. > > > > > > Running english language WLM (build 14.0.8064.206). > > > > > > Can send SMS to my iPhone. Responses never received. > > > > > > So, seems like this ancient WLM doesn't have this problem but newer ones do. > > > > > > "Robert Green" wrote: > > > > > > > I'm having the same problem. > > > > > > > > My friends in Mexico, probably using the Spanish language version of WLM > > > > can only send SMS to me, but never receive my replies. This used to work > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > HOWEVER: I have WLM 8.1 (build 8.1.0178.00) on one of my PCs and I CAN send > > > > and receive SMS to myself no problem. > > > > > > > > I just tried from another PC I have here at home that has a newer version > > > > and also Spanish language version of WLM. Same problem. I can send SMS to > > > > my cell but I never receive the reply. > > > > > > > > My phone is iPhone 3G on AT&T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kolz" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Having the same issue. Not just one account it is many different account > > > > > (family etc) > > > > > > > > > > they can all receive sms to phone but when they replay it goes no where. > > > > > doesn't matter who from WMLM is sending message. > > > > > > > > > > AT&T and iphones > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have thoughts? used to work with iphones or any other phone > > > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah interesting, I'm afraid I don't really have any suggestions beyond sending in a support > > > > > > request to Live Mobile's support: > > > > > > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ile&ct=eformts > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jonathan Kay > > > > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > > > MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > > > MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > > > Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > > > (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > > news:uwKSssJqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > > > > Jonathan, no error message, reply was sent normally but just cannot receive it in other > > > > > > > side. I use AT&T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:O4LK9jEqJHA.5832@xxxxxx > > > > > > >> Greetings, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> What exactly happens when you reply? For instance, do you actually get a response back > > > > > > >> saying your command was not understood (or something similar)? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Also, it would be helpful to know which carrier you're using and what country you're in as > > > > > > >> the SMS services are different on every system. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> Jonathan Kay > > > > > > >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger > > > > > > >> MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > > > > >> MessengerGeek Blog: http://www.messengergeek.com > > > > > > >> Messenger Resources: http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > > > > >> (c) 2009 Jonathan Kay - If redistributing, you must include this signature or citation > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "msnews" <fqwu2003@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > > > > > >> news:e5g#wLEqJHA.4372@xxxxxx > > > > > > >>> Hi,not sure if anyone has same problem. In the past, I can receive and reply SMS from my > > > > > > >>> mobile phone to my contacts. but now I can only receive SMS send from WLM, my contact > > > > > > >>> cannot receive SMS I replied. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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