McAfee -> OneCare: probably not

01-20-2008

Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the "generaldiscussion"
group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free" and
it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it appears
that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually
responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been
experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an
upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal
shutdown, repeat until well shaken.

McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in turn
is "free" with my Qwest DSL service.

Saludos,

Earle

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks.
>
> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can
> seek support and ask questions.
>
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup
> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update
>
> Windows Live OneCare Forums
> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:

	Quote:
	>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >> than >> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I got >> this >> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted up, >> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible for a >> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe five >> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support so it >> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, and >> even >> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem was >> supplied by Microsoft. >> >> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash the >> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >> endless >> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? So >> far >> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >> nineteenth >> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum.

>

01-21-2008

Hi, Earle.
Since you have McAfee for free, I'd stick with it if Qwest isn't offering Qwest
with Windows Live for your area, which provides Windows Live OneCare for free.
-steve

"Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the "generaldiscussion"
>group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free" and
>it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it appears
>that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually
>responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been
>experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an
>upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal
>shutdown, repeat until well shaken.
>
>McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in turn
>is "free" with my Qwest DSL service.
>
>Saludos,
>
>Earle
>
>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks.
>>
>> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can
>> seek support and ask questions.
>>
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup
>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update
>>
>> Windows Live OneCare Forums
>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2
>> --
>> ~PA Bear
>>
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:

	Quote:
	>>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >>> than >>> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I got >>> this >>> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted up, >>> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible for a >>> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe five >>> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support so it >>> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, and >>> even >>> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >>> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem was >>> supplied by Microsoft. >>> >>> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash the >>> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >>> endless >>> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? So >>> far >>> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >>> nineteenth >>> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum.

>>

>

--
Stephen Boots
MVP Windows Live
Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator
sboots@xxxxxx

01-25-2008

Well wish me luck. It turns out that I also have OneCare "for free" as part
of the Qwest by Windows Live suite. I would have stuck with McAfee, but it
installed one too many updates in too short a time and caused one too many
abnormal shutdowns. Right now, the Qwest Broadband Windows Live install
program appears to be stuck on Windows Live Messenger, just before OneCare,
and netstat says it isn't doing anything. Oh great, a popup from Windows
Live Messenger with a big "X" in it. "Extracting File Failed." Ugh. The
partial install left Messenger in an unbootable state. Now Internet
Explorer won't let WLinstaller.exe run because it "does not have a valid
digital signature". Double Ugh. Now I am at "Windows Live installer client
executable has stopped working". Now Internet Explorer won't install and
run anything. I am not really happy now.

Cheers,

Earle

"StephenB" <sboots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:s7m9p3dr75bokahc4uv3qe8ujct079nksf@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi, Earle.
> Since you have McAfee for free, I'd stick with it if Qwest isn't offering
> Qwest
> with Windows Live for your area, which provides Windows Live OneCare for
> free.
> -steve
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the
>>"generaldiscussion"
>>group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free"
>>and
>>it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it appears
>>that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually
>>responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been
>>experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an
>>upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal
>>shutdown, repeat until well shaken.
>>
>>McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in turn
>>is "free" with my Qwest DSL service.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	>>> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks. >>> >>> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can >>> seek support and ask questions. >>> >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update >>> >>> Windows Live OneCare Forums >>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2 >>> -- >>> ~PA Bear >>> >>> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >>>> than >>>> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I got >>>> this >>>> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted >>>> up, >>>> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible for >>>> a >>>> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe >>>> five >>>> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support so >>>> it >>>> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, and >>>> even >>>> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >>>> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem >>>> was >>>> supplied by Microsoft. >>>> >>>> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash the >>>> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >>>> endless >>>> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? So >>>> far >>>> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >>>> nineteenth >>>> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum. >>>

>>

>
> --
> Stephen Boots
> MVP Windows Live
> Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator
> sboots@xxxxxx

01-26-2008

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940065

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938275/en-us
--
...winston
ms-mvp windows live mail

"Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ueGSq38XIHA.4448@xxxxxx
Well wish me luck. It turns out that I also have OneCare "for free" as part
of the Qwest by Windows Live suite. I would have stuck with McAfee, but it
installed one too many updates in too short a time and caused one too many
abnormal shutdowns. Right now, the Qwest Broadband Windows Live install
program appears to be stuck on Windows Live Messenger, just before OneCare,
and netstat says it isn't doing anything. Oh great, a popup from Windows
Live Messenger with a big "X" in it. "Extracting File Failed." Ugh. The
partial install left Messenger in an unbootable state. Now Internet
Explorer won't let WLinstaller.exe run because it "does not have a valid
digital signature". Double Ugh. Now I am at "Windows Live installer client
executable has stopped working". Now Internet Explorer won't install and
run anything. I am not really happy now.

Cheers,

Earle

"StephenB" <sboots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:s7m9p3dr75bokahc4uv3qe8ujct079nksf@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hi, Earle.
> Since you have McAfee for free, I'd stick with it if Qwest isn't offering
> Qwest
> with Windows Live for your area, which provides Windows Live OneCare for
> free.
> -steve
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the
>>"generaldiscussion"
>>group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free"
>>and
>>it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it appears
>>that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually
>>responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been
>>experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an
>>upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal
>>shutdown, repeat until well shaken.
>>
>>McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in turn
>>is "free" with my Qwest DSL service.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	>>> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks. >>> >>> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can >>> seek support and ask questions. >>> >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update >>> >>> Windows Live OneCare Forums >>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2 >>> -- >>> ~PA Bear >>> >>> >>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >>>> than >>>> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I got >>>> this >>>> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted >>>> up, >>>> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible for >>>> a >>>> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe >>>> five >>>> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support so >>>> it >>>> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, and >>>> even >>>> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >>>> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem >>>> was >>>> supplied by Microsoft. >>>> >>>> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash the >>>> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >>>> endless >>>> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? So >>>> far >>>> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >>>> nineteenth >>>> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum. >>>

>>

>
> --
> Stephen Boots
> MVP Windows Live
> Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator
> sboots@xxxxxx

01-26-2008

Thanks. Trying Norton Protection Center now.

Cheers,

Earle

"...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23ulG$z%23XIHA.6140@xxxxxx

Quote:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940065
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938275/en-us
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp windows live mail
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ueGSq38XIHA.4448@xxxxxx
> Well wish me luck. It turns out that I also have OneCare "for free" as
> part
> of the Qwest by Windows Live suite. I would have stuck with McAfee, but
> it
> installed one too many updates in too short a time and caused one too many
> abnormal shutdowns. Right now, the Qwest Broadband Windows Live install
> program appears to be stuck on Windows Live Messenger, just before
> OneCare,
> and netstat says it isn't doing anything. Oh great, a popup from Windows
> Live Messenger with a big "X" in it. "Extracting File Failed." Ugh. The
> partial install left Messenger in an unbootable state. Now Internet
> Explorer won't let WLinstaller.exe run because it "does not have a valid
> digital signature". Double Ugh. Now I am at "Windows Live installer
> client
> executable has stopped working". Now Internet Explorer won't install and
> run anything. I am not really happy now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "StephenB" <sboots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:s7m9p3dr75bokahc4uv3qe8ujct079nksf@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Hi, Earle.
>> Since you have McAfee for free, I'd stick with it if Qwest isn't offering
>> Qwest
>> with Windows Live for your area, which provides Windows Live OneCare for
>> free.
>> -steve
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>

	Quote:
	>>>Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the >>>"generaldiscussion" >>>group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free" >>>and >>>it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it appears >>>that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually >>>responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been >>>experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an >>>upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal >>>shutdown, repeat until well shaken. >>> >>>McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in >>>turn >>>is "free" with my Qwest DSL service. >>> >>>Saludos, >>> >>>Earle >>> >>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx >>>> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks. >>>> >>>> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can >>>> seek support and ask questions. >>>> >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update >>>> >>>> Windows Live OneCare Forums >>>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2 >>>> -- >>>> ~PA Bear >>>> >>>> >>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >>>>> than >>>>> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I >>>>> got >>>>> this >>>>> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted >>>>> up, >>>>> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible for >>>>> a >>>>> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe >>>>> five >>>>> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support so >>>>> it >>>>> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, and >>>>> even >>>>> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >>>>> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem >>>>> was >>>>> supplied by Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash the >>>>> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >>>>> endless >>>>> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? >>>>> So >>>>> far >>>>> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >>>>> nineteenth >>>>> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum. >>>> >>>

>>
>> --
>> Stephen Boots
>> MVP Windows Live
>> Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator
>> sboots@xxxxxx

>

01-26-2008

Heh, PC hasn't blown up yet. This one is on an MSN/Qwest free diet for now.

Earle

"Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:09B6D930-0182-4EE9-82D3-E054420A9125@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks. Trying Norton Protection Center now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23ulG$z%23XIHA.6140@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940065
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938275/en-us
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp windows live mail
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:ueGSq38XIHA.4448@xxxxxx
>> Well wish me luck. It turns out that I also have OneCare "for free" as
>> part
>> of the Qwest by Windows Live suite. I would have stuck with McAfee, but
>> it
>> installed one too many updates in too short a time and caused one too
>> many
>> abnormal shutdowns. Right now, the Qwest Broadband Windows Live install
>> program appears to be stuck on Windows Live Messenger, just before
>> OneCare,
>> and netstat says it isn't doing anything. Oh great, a popup from Windows
>> Live Messenger with a big "X" in it. "Extracting File Failed." Ugh.
>> The
>> partial install left Messenger in an unbootable state. Now Internet
>> Explorer won't let WLinstaller.exe run because it "does not have a valid
>> digital signature". Double Ugh. Now I am at "Windows Live installer
>> client
>> executable has stopped working". Now Internet Explorer won't install and
>> run anything. I am not really happy now.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "StephenB" <sboots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:s7m9p3dr75bokahc4uv3qe8ujct079nksf@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	>>> Hi, Earle. >>> Since you have McAfee for free, I'd stick with it if Qwest isn't >>> offering >>> Qwest >>> with Windows Live for your area, which provides Windows Live OneCare for >>> free. >>> -steve >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@xxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>>Thanks for the tip. After reading a few articles in the >>>>"generaldiscussion" >>>>group I conclude that McAfee isn't so bad, especially since it's "free" >>>>and >>>>it (finally!) seems to have upgraded itself. Upon reflection, it >>>>appears >>>>that McAfee's repeated attempts to "upgrade" itself were actually >>>>responsible for the large number of "abnormal shutdowns" I have been >>>>experiencing. The tool to analyze these said to contact McAfee for an >>>>upgrade to cure the problem, the upgrade attempt caused another abnormal >>>>shutdown, repeat until well shaken. >>>> >>>>McAfee has problems, but is "free" with an MSN subscription, which in >>>>turn >>>>is "free" with my Qwest DSL service. >>>> >>>>Saludos, >>>> >>>>Earle >>>> >>>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>>news:eQc6q15WIHA.5340@xxxxxx >>>>> Earle, please begin a new thread for these questions. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> PS: There are OneCare-specific newsgroups and web-forums where you can >>>>> seek support and ask questions. >>>>> >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.generaldiscussion >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antispyware >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.antivirus >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.backup >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.firewall >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.install >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.tuneup >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.onecare.update >>>>> >>>>> Windows Live OneCare Forums >>>>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowso....aspx?siteid=2 >>>>> -- >>>>> ~PA Bear >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Earle Horton wrote: >>>>>> In your opinion, is this more stable and less of a performance killer >>>>>> than >>>>>> McAfee Security Center provided "free" to MSN subscribers? Since I >>>>>> got >>>>>> this >>>>>> new Dell Vista laptop, McAfee "installed updates" every time I booted >>>>>> up, >>>>>> finally getting it right after maybe twenty tries, was responsible >>>>>> for >>>>>> a >>>>>> like number of abnormal shutdowns, and appears to have caused maybe >>>>>> five >>>>>> Blue Screens of Death, which the monitor doesn't apparently support >>>>>> so >>>>>> it >>>>>> looked like broken video controller hardware. My old W2k desktop, >>>>>> and >>>>>> even >>>>>> my Thinkpad with XP, were way, way more stable than this. I am not >>>>>> impressed, particularly since all the sofware involved in this mayhem >>>>>> was >>>>>> supplied by Microsoft. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd like to get some virus software that did its job, didn't crash >>>>>> the >>>>>> computer, didn't strangle performance and didn't bother me with an >>>>>> endless >>>>>> string of unintellible popups. Is that OneCare, or something else? >>>>>> So >>>>>> far >>>>>> the cure appears to be worse than the disease, like some of the >>>>>> nineteenth >>>>>> century remedies you might see in a Medical History Museum. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stephen Boots >>> MVP Windows Live >>> Windows Live OneCare Forum Moderator >>> sboots@xxxxxx

>>

>

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