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| | Watched Folders Windows Live Photo Gallery (build 12.0.1308.1023) does not appear to watch for metadata changes in image files. It will take XMP metadata from image files to construct the initial Tag list, but if images have their XMP Keyword metadata subsequently changed by other applications, then WLPG does not recognise this. Google's Picasa, on the other hand, does watch for changes, and will automatically synchronise its internal Tag list with external changes in XMP metadata on image files. WLPG should take a leaf out of Picasa's book and automatically synchronise Tag changes. Otherwise, it is not suitable for consideration as part of a digital workflow involving multiple tools. -- Geoff Coupe http://gcoupe.spaces.live.com/ - the Blog http://flickr.com/photos/gcoupe - the Photos http://www.librarything.com/catalog/gcoupe - the Library |
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| | Re: Watched Folders On 27 Nov, 21:28, "Geoff Coupe" <gcoupe_removeth...@xxxxxx> wrote: Geoff, My experience is that this works well, as long as you update the XMP- metadata. Have not tested with IPTC metadata. I have used PixVue to copy tags from one photo (tagged in WLPG) to another photo (in PixVue). WLPG identifies the update almost immediately. Bjørn Tore |
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| | Re: Watched Folders "BTHOEM" <bthoem@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:80910630-42e6-4283-93a6-acd733946284@xxxxxx Quote: > On 27 Nov, 21:28, "Geoff Coupe" <gcoupe_removeth...@xxxxxx> wrote: > > Geoff, > > My experience is that this works well, as long as you update the XMP- > metadata. Have not tested with IPTC metadata. > > I have used PixVue to copy tags from one photo (tagged in WLPG) to > another photo (in PixVue). WLPG identifies the update almost > immediately. > > Bjørn Tore Strange, because I *am* updating the XMP metadata - but on my Vista machine, WLPG is certainly *not* updating its Tag list, while Picasa does. If you're using PixVue, then you must be running on Windows XP (since Eamon Coleman never produced a version for Vista). Perhaps that explains the difference in behaviour... For the record, I'm using IDimager Personal V4 (www.idimager.com) to edit the metadata. This handles both legacy IPTC/IIM metadata as well as the newer, XMP-based, IPTC Core. Thanks for responding. Geoff Coupe |
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| | Re: Watched Folders "BTHOEM" <bthoem@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:80910630-42e6-4283-93a6-acd733946284@xxxxxx Quote: > My experience is that this works well, as long as you update the XMP- > metadata. Have not tested with IPTC metadata. > Because of your message, I've been experimenting further on this. It's all very odd. On some images files, changing the Keywords/Tags will cause WLPG to update automatically; on other image files, nothing happens in WLPG. I have no idea why some files will work, and other not. Perhaps it is something to do with how the XMP metadata has been constructed over time - some structures cause WLPG to choke. Other tools (e.g. Picasa) don't seem to fall over, but it would seem that WLPG is overly sensitive to something in the XMP structure. Thanks, Geoff Coupe |
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| | Re: Watched Folders OK, I think I've got to the bottom of what may be going on. Bjørn Tore reported that on his system, WLPG *does* watch folders and keep Tags in sync with changes made by other metadata editors. As a result, I've been looking again and found the following: 1) some of my image files *do* trigger WLPG to update its Tag list; other files don't. 2) All the files are JPEGs - so the reason for the difference is not the file format. 3) For some files, the list of Tags (Keywords) for a file that is displayed in WLPG and the Vista Windows Explorer is *different* from the list of IPTC Core for XMP Keywords for the file. These are supposed to be the same. 4) As far as I can see, these are the files that fail to trigger a WLPG update, when the IPTC Core for XMP Keywords are modified outside of WLPG. My suspicion is that somewhere along the line, the XMP metadata used by Microsoft for WLPG has got out of step with the XMP metadata used by the IPTC Core schema on those files. Then, even though IPTC Core for XMP metadata was changed, WLPG would not pick it up if it first checks its internal XMP structures (and assumes that these are always in synch with IPTC Core metadata. I had to force a change on WLPG tags to trigger a resync between my workflow tools. Hopefully, these will now continue in sync. Geoff Coupe http://gcoupe.spaces.live.com/ - the Blog http://flickr.com/photos/gcoupe - the Photos http://www.librarything.com/catalog/gcoupe - the Library |
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| | Re: Watched Folders "Geoff Coupe" <gcoupe_removethis_@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:FFD67535-4F04-4457-868C-527CA08042B9@xxxxxx Quote: > It will take XMP metadata from image files to construct the initial Tag > list, but if images have their XMP Keyword metadata subsequently changed > by other applications, then WLPG does not recognise this. was written by *itself* either. As a test, I just tagged roughly 100 photos with a keyword, then logged in on another account on this machine, and WLPG refuses to notice that the tags have been updated on those photos. -- Regards, Jeff |
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| | Re: Watched Folders Jeff, No problem on my system (Win XP - WLPG 2008). Tags (even hierachial) are rebuilding just fine on another machine. Bjørn Tore |
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| | Re: Watched Folders Geoff, I suspect you are in to something. My test shows that as long as you work on XMP metadata, it works fine. However, WLPG seems to write tags both as IPTC and XMP, but only delete XMP - leaving the IPTC metadata behind. I installed IDImager lite v3 (free) and added keywords and description to a photo without any tags (fresh). WLPG instantly detected the changes. Then I deleted the keywords in WLPG. Opened the photo in IDImager. The XMP metadata was gone, but the IPTC metadata was still there. I have also discovered another issue. WLPG supports hierarchical tags like ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup 2007. The delimiter introduced by WLPG is "/". When added in WLPG, the hierachy builds just fine. If I add the same hierachical tag in IDImager, WLPG will not build it - it becomes a flat tag "ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup 2007". Bjørn Tore |
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| | Re: Watched Folders "BTHOEM" <bthoem@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:69c17a91-8f1a-4a47-94e2-9b99ad8fd82c@xxxxxx Quote: > > WLPG supports hierarchical tags like ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup 2007. The > delimiter introduced by WLPG is "/". When added in WLPG, the hierachy > builds just fine. If I add the same hierachical tag in IDImager, WLPG > will not build it - it becomes a flat tag "ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup > 2007". > They both use a period (.) to denote hierarchy. So in these DAMs, your hierarchical tag would be ALBUM.SPORTS.Autumn Cup 2007. I'll ask Hert (the developer of IDimager) whether he would consider adding a feature to choose the delimiter character for a future version... Geoff Coupe |
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| | Re: Watched Folders "BTHOEM" <bthoem@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:69c17a91-8f1a-4a47-94e2-9b99ad8fd82c@xxxxxx Quote: > > WLPG supports hierarchical tags like ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup 2007. The > delimiter introduced by WLPG is "/". When added in WLPG, the hierachy > builds just fine. If I add the same hierachical tag in IDImager, WLPG > will not build it - it becomes a flat tag "ALBUM/SPORTS/Autumn Cup > 2007". > consider adding a feature to allow people to select the hierarchy delimiter. He's said that it will be in the next update: http://forum.idimager.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582 So at that point, the two tools will automatically keep the tag hierarchy in sync with each other... Geoff Coupe |
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