Windows Vista Forums
Vista Forums Home Join Vista Forums Donate Vista Tutorials Tags

Welcome to Vista Forums we are your forum to discuss Windows Vista x64 and x86 systems. Whether you need help or just want to post an idea you have on Vista, this is the forum for you.
Register at Vista forums...the world biggest Windows Vista resource Join Vista Forums Now

Go Back   Vista Forums > Windows Live > Live Photo Gallery

Jpeg compression

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-27-2008   #1 (permalink)
Skynet
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Jpeg compression

Eveytime i edit and save images with WLPG the size of them decreases of
about 50%. For example a 7mpx picture which takes about 3mb before being
edited, takes 1.5-1.7mb after the operation.
I suppose that WLPG uses a high compression factor, even if pictures look
good the same.
To keep the greatest quality should i use a true image editor where i can
choose a custom jpeg compression or trust WLPG?
Thanks

 
Old 05-07-2008   #2 (permalink)
Troy Barnes \(MSFT\)
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Re: Jpeg compression

Wow, that is not the expected behavior. Can you tell me the steps I need to
follow to reproduce the same behavior? I have an 8mpx photo. What kind of
editing to you do to the photo? Remove red eye? Adjust Color? Also, do
you have an original 7mpx photo where you see this problem that you can
share with me?

--
Troy Barnes
Microsoft

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Skynet" <skynet@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:10181DBB-8C26-417B-9894-F566221275A6@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Eveytime i edit and save images with WLPG the size of them decreases of
> about 50%. For example a 7mpx picture which takes about 3mb before being
> edited, takes 1.5-1.7mb after the operation.
> I suppose that WLPG uses a high compression factor, even if pictures look
> good the same.
> To keep the greatest quality should i use a true image editor where i can
> choose a custom jpeg compression or trust WLPG?
> Thanks
 
Old 05-07-2008   #3 (permalink)
John Inzer
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Re: Jpeg compression

Troy Barnes (MSFT) wrote:
Quote:

> Wow, that is not the expected behavior. Can you tell me the steps I
> need to follow to reproduce the same behavior? I have an 8mpx photo.
> What kind of editing to you do to the photo? Remove red eye? Adjust
> Color? Also, do you have an original 7mpx photo where you see this
> problem that you can share with me?
==============================
Apparently the compression algorithms
used in various brands of digital cameras
are not all the same. I downloaded a few
sample JPEGs from Steve's Digicams
and used Auto Adjust on each one in
WLPG.

I found the results to be interesting:
(all from 7MP cameras 3072 x 2304)

Canon before : 3.05 MB after : 1.52 MB
Fuji before : 3.19 MB after : 2.05 MB
Kodak before : 2.14 MB after : 1.49 MB
Olympus before : 3.32 MB after : 1.51 MB
Sony before : 2.95 MB after : 1.07 MB

If you use the Revert option to undo the edit...
the original file size is also restored.

--

John Inzer
Digital Media MVP

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk


 
Old 05-08-2008   #4 (permalink)
Skynet
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Re: Jpeg compression



"Troy Barnes (MSFT)" <troyb@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:B24ABE5D-1E01-49DC-9287-B4FACA7F0391@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Wow, that is not the expected behavior. Can you tell me the steps I need
> to follow to reproduce the same behavior? I have an 8mpx photo. What
> kind of editing to you do to the photo? Remove red eye? Adjust Color?
> Also, do you have an original 7mpx photo where you see this problem that
> you can share with me?
>
> --
> Troy Barnes
> Microsoft

You can do a simple test using this picture:

http://www.thoosje.com/vista-wallpap...lpapers(3).jpg

Open in with windows live photogallery, go to edit and choose "auto adjust".
Then exit WLPG to let it to save the picture and go to your hd where you
saved the image: you will see that it has been reduced from 1597kb to 497.
Where that megabyte has gone?
Picture look nice the same, but WLPG uses a too high jpeg compression.

 
Old 05-09-2008   #5 (permalink)
osu9400
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Re: Jpeg compression

you're right, we need a slider like photoshop has when saving jpgs.

"Skynet" <skynet@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:BF15E014-9565-4612-90AB-415D2C07F34F@xxxxxx
Quote:

>
>
> "Troy Barnes (MSFT)" <troyb@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:B24ABE5D-1E01-49DC-9287-B4FACA7F0391@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Wow, that is not the expected behavior. Can you tell me the steps I need
>> to follow to reproduce the same behavior? I have an 8mpx photo. What
>> kind of editing to you do to the photo? Remove red eye? Adjust Color?
>> Also, do you have an original 7mpx photo where you see this problem that
>> you can share with me?
>>
>> --
>> Troy Barnes
>> Microsoft
>
>
> You can do a simple test using this picture:
>
> http://www.thoosje.com/vista-wallpap...lpapers(3).jpg
>
> Open in with windows live photogallery, go to edit and choose "auto
> adjust".
> Then exit WLPG to let it to save the picture and go to your hd where you
> saved the image: you will see that it has been reduced from 1597kb to 497.
> Where that megabyte has gone?
> Picture look nice the same, but WLPG uses a too high jpeg compression.
 
Old 05-13-2008   #6 (permalink)
Troy Barnes \(MSFT\)
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Re: Jpeg compression

Thanks for your input on this,
Based on what you posted you think the adjusted (smaller in file size) photo
is still nice, right? It seems like with this photo it is easier to get
good compression because the file has much of the same color throughout the
entire scene. This would mean less data is needed when compressed. If you
were to test this with a photo with more colors you would not see such a
file size reduction.

I guess it comes down to your happiness with photo appearance. If it still
looks good and it saves some space then it is good, right? If you don't
want to have that much compression you can go to the File menu and choose
"Revert to Original (CTRL + R)" and the original file will be restored. We
will consider an option to change the jpeg compression in the future.

--
Troy Barnes
Microsoft

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Skynet" <skynet@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:BF15E014-9565-4612-90AB-415D2C07F34F@xxxxxx
Quote:

>
>
> "Troy Barnes (MSFT)" <troyb@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:B24ABE5D-1E01-49DC-9287-B4FACA7F0391@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Wow, that is not the expected behavior. Can you tell me the steps I need
>> to follow to reproduce the same behavior? I have an 8mpx photo. What
>> kind of editing to you do to the photo? Remove red eye? Adjust Color?
>> Also, do you have an original 7mpx photo where you see this problem that
>> you can share with me?
>>
>> --
>> Troy Barnes
>> Microsoft
>
>
> You can do a simple test using this picture:
>
> http://www.thoosje.com/vista-wallpap...lpapers(3).jpg
>
> Open in with windows live photogallery, go to edit and choose "auto
> adjust".
> Then exit WLPG to let it to save the picture and go to your hd where you
> saved the image: you will see that it has been reduced from 1597kb to 497.
> Where that megabyte has gone?
> Picture look nice the same, but WLPG uses a too high jpeg compression.
 
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Further compression? PrettyLadyWithBrains Vista music pictures video 2 05-05-2008 01:52 AM
GZip Compression :( Carlo Razzeto .NET General 9 03-28-2008 08:41 AM
Compression Aboriginal Vista mail 8 07-24-2007 09:11 PM
Compression & Performance Mac Vista performance & maintenance 6 06-28-2007 07:36 PM
JPEG Compression in resize in Vista photo viewer Just FYI Vista music pictures video 2 03-15-2007 12:59 PM








Vistax64.com is an independent web site and has not been authorized,
sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation.
"Windows Vista", the Start Orb, and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.
© Designer Media 2005-2008

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49