Vista - Request for the MSFTs

05-19-2008

Could someone do a futurepost in this forum with the subject line 'READ
BEFORE POSTING - PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS ONLY' with details about how to find
the correct group before posting in this newsgroup? It seems more than half
the opening questions in this newsgroup are not related to .NET at all.

05-19-2008

Or simpler - just change the description of the forum? General
Discussion (as it apparently* appears on one of the online MS forums)
isn't very specific...

Marc

*=from asking people mis-posting here... I haven't seen it myself.

05-20-2008

Leon,

Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change
this as you.

If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office.

Cor

"Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht
news:AFF09106-6209-43AD-822C-BA64FBFF2907@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Could someone do a futurepost in this forum with the subject line 'READ
> BEFORE POSTING - PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS ONLY' with details about how to
> find the correct group before posting in this newsgroup? It seems more
> than half the opening questions in this newsgroup are not related to .NET
> at all.

05-20-2008

"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:FE4FF46C-1863-4E82-8944-328C6DB77258@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Leon,
>
> Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change
> this as you.
>
> If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office.

I'm not complaining, I'm making a request to the people who moderate the
newsgroup. If someone else made a futurepost here they'd probably get flamed
and one of the MSFTs would delete the post.

--
Leon Mayne
http://leon.mvps.org/

05-20-2008

Leon,

Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is
doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups.
MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done by
MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups.

The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or as
asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It does
not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by instance Google
on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however everybody who has a
newsserver).

Cor

"Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht
news:099B90F3-C162-44DD-96FE-DFAF0318CB58@xxxxxx

Quote:

> "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:FE4FF46C-1863-4E82-8944-328C6DB77258@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Leon,
>>
>> Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change
>> this as you.
>>
>> If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office.

>
> I'm not complaining, I'm making a request to the people who moderate the
> newsgroup. If someone else made a futurepost here they'd probably get
> flamed and one of the MSFTs would delete the post.
>
> --
> Leon Mayne
> http://leon.mvps.org/

05-21-2008

"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:B8F1B866-000F-41D6-87D2-2CDF533351FA@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is
> doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups.
> MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done
> by MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups.
>
> The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or as
> asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It
> does not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by instance
> Google on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however everybody
> who has a newsserver).

Cor, what does it matter? My original point is that if one of the MSFTs (or
even one of the MVPs) was to make a futurepost then it would be more
credible than average joe doing it. I'm not looking for a philisophical
discussion about who owns usenet and the process of moderation.

05-29-2008

"Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:044A2FF0-AC0C-49A8-A067-BB2D2F959FCD@xxxxxx

Quote:

> "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:B8F1B866-000F-41D6-87D2-2CDF533351FA@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is
>> doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups.
>> MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done
>> by MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups.
>>
>> The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or
>> as asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It
>> does not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by
>> instance Google on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however
>> everybody who has a newsserver).

>
> Cor, what does it matter? My original point is that if one of the MSFTs
> (or even one of the MVPs) was to make a futurepost then it would be more
> credible than average joe doing it. I'm not looking for a philisophical
> discussion about who owns usenet and the process of moderation.

The problem is that there's a place where people have a dropdown to the
newsgroup on microsoft.com somewhere. The dropdown makes a guess at what the
group is from the last part of the name. So all of the groups ending in
".general" show up as "General Discussion".

Guess which one is probably the first one in the list.

I actually sent in a complaint on Connect, and there's also a place in the
web discussion groups on microsoft.com where you can submit a complaint. I
did that too.

Think how those people who post here erroneously feel. They don't know any
better, and they are desperate for some help just like the people who post
here correctly.

Even if someone futureposted, it wouldn't matter. Most people who come in
with a question just post it, they don't actually look at the messages prior
to doing that, or they might realize it's a programming newsgroup.

RobinS.
GoldMail.com

05-19-2008	#1 (permalink)
Leon Mayne n/a posts	Request for the MSFTs Could someone do a futurepost in this forum with the subject line 'READ BEFORE POSTING - PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS ONLY' with details about how to find the correct group before posting in this newsgroup? It seems more than half the opening questions in this newsgroup are not related to .NET at all.
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05-19-2008	#2 (permalink)
Marc Gravell n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs Or simpler - just change the description of the forum? General Discussion (as it apparently* appears on one of the online MS forums) isn't very specific... Marc *=from asking people mis-posting here... I haven't seen it myself.
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05-20-2008	#3 (permalink)
Cor Ligthert[MVP] n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs Leon, Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change this as you. If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office. Cor "Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht news:AFF09106-6209-43AD-822C-BA64FBFF2907@xxxxxx Quote: > Could someone do a futurepost in this forum with the subject line 'READ > BEFORE POSTING - PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS ONLY' with details about how to > find the correct group before posting in this newsgroup? It seems more > than half the opening questions in this newsgroup are not related to .NET > at all.
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05-20-2008	#4 (permalink)
Leon Mayne n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:FE4FF46C-1863-4E82-8944-328C6DB77258@xxxxxx Quote: > Leon, > > Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change > this as you. > > If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office. I'm not complaining, I'm making a request to the people who moderate the newsgroup. If someone else made a futurepost here they'd probably get flamed and one of the MSFTs would delete the post. -- Leon Mayne http://leon.mvps.org/
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05-20-2008	#5 (permalink)
Cor Ligthert[MVP] n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs Leon, Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups. MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done by MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups. The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or as asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It does not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by instance Google on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however everybody who has a newsserver). Cor "Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> schreef in bericht news:099B90F3-C162-44DD-96FE-DFAF0318CB58@xxxxxx Quote: > "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:FE4FF46C-1863-4E82-8944-328C6DB77258@xxxxxx Quote: >> Leon, >> >> Don't blaim the MSFT's, they have probably as less posibilities to change >> this as you. >> >> If you complain, do it than direct to your local Microsoft office. > > I'm not complaining, I'm making a request to the people who moderate the > newsgroup. If someone else made a futurepost here they'd probably get > flamed and one of the MSFTs would delete the post. > > -- > Leon Mayne > http://leon.mvps.org/
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05-21-2008	#6 (permalink)
Leon Mayne n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:B8F1B866-000F-41D6-87D2-2CDF533351FA@xxxxxx Quote: > Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is > doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups. > MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done > by MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups. > > The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or as > asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It > does not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by instance > Google on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however everybody > who has a newsserver). Cor, what does it matter? My original point is that if one of the MSFTs (or even one of the MVPs) was to make a futurepost then it would be more credible than average joe doing it. I'm not looking for a philisophical discussion about who owns usenet and the process of moderation.
My System Specs

05-29-2008	#7 (permalink)
RobinS n/a posts	Re: Request for the MSFTs "Leon Mayne" <leon@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:044A2FF0-AC0C-49A8-A067-BB2D2F959FCD@xxxxxx Quote: > "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:B8F1B866-000F-41D6-87D2-2CDF533351FA@xxxxxx Quote: >> Where did you get the idea that MSFT moderate the newsgroups, nobody is >> doing it as it are UseNet newsgroups. >> MSDN use the newsgroups to give help to MSDN subscripters, which is done >> by MSFT, they are in noway moderate the newsgroups. >> >> The deleting of post is not done by MSFT. This is only as it is spam or >> as asked to the newsgroup admin, as is normal with usenet newsgroups. (It >> does not even make sense as everything is very quick loaded by by >> instance Google on their newsgroup servers but not only Google, however >> everybody who has a newsserver). > > Cor, what does it matter? My original point is that if one of the MSFTs > (or even one of the MVPs) was to make a futurepost then it would be more > credible than average joe doing it. I'm not looking for a philisophical > discussion about who owns usenet and the process of moderation. The problem is that there's a place where people have a dropdown to the newsgroup on microsoft.com somewhere. The dropdown makes a guess at what the group is from the last part of the name. So all of the groups ending in ".general" show up as "General Discussion". Guess which one is probably the first one in the list. I actually sent in a complaint on Connect, and there's also a place in the web discussion groups on microsoft.com where you can submit a complaint. I did that too. Think how those people who post here erroneously feel. They don't know any better, and they are desperate for some help just like the people who post here correctly. Even if someone futureposted, it wouldn't matter. Most people who come in with a question just post it, they don't actually look at the messages prior to doing that, or they might realize it's a programming newsgroup. RobinS. GoldMail.com
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