Vista - RE: VB Express 2008 Vs VS2003 Professional

07-17-2009

"JungleJim74" wrote:

Quote:

> Hello. I have been using VS2003 Professional for several years but I recently
> downloaded the free VB2008 Express Edition so that I could use the
> "Truncate"method in converting decimal degrees to DMS (degrees, minutes, and
> seconds). The MS Website stated that this is an absolutely free Express
> Edition but experience has taught me that if it is "free" you get something
> less that the version that costs hundreds of dollars. I am 81 and just
> program a little for myself and a few friends (no charge- I give my programs
> away free) so I was wondering if this Express Edition is really all that I
> need since my requirements are so minimal. Do I really need anything more
> that the 2008 Express Edition for the little programming that I do? Thanks in
> advance for any comments or suggestions on this.
> --
> JungleJim74

There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how
important they are.

1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple
programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually
sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome, but
nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you.

2. In express, you cannot have a single solution with many dlls written in
different languages such as C#. Sometimes it is convenient to have
components which are already mature in one language, combined with a new code
in another language.

Mike

07-17-2009

"Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeMike@xxxxxx> wrote in
message news:BD7CC9AA-C1F2-4DFD-BC7F-298B4DE00012@xxxxxx

Quote:

>

<sinp>

Quote:

> There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how
> important they are.
>
> 1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple
> programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually
> sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome,
> but
> nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you.
>
> 2. <snip>.
>
> Mike

That's not been my experience. I just checked the free VS Express which I
got with VBE and there is a "Publish" choice on the Build menu and I am sure
I have used it to create a .msi package.

In fact I bought the Standard (i.e. not free) version of VS hoping I'd could
build a better install package with it. All I want to do is to include a
license. But I have not discovered any way to do even that simple little
thing with the Standard version.

The Standard version provides one VS which can do windows forms and web
pages. Otherwise you need VS Express for windows forms and a different free
VS for web pages.

I certainly wouldn't pay for the Standard, or any of the other priced
versions, until you have a definite need.

Bob

07-17-2009

"eBob.com" wrote:

Quote:

>
> "Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeMike@xxxxxx> wrote in
> message news:BD7CC9AA-C1F2-4DFD-BC7F-298B4DE00012@xxxxxx

Quote:

> >

> <sinp>
>

Quote:

> > There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how
> > important they are.
> >
> > 1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple
> > programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually
> > sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome,
> > but
> > nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you.
> >
> > 2. <snip>.
> >
> > Mike

>
> That's not been my experience. I just checked the free VS Express which I
> got with VBE and there is a "Publish" choice on the Build menu and I am sure
> I have used it to create a .msi package.
>
> In fact I bought the Standard (i.e. not free) version of VS hoping I'd could
> build a better install package with it. All I want to do is to include a
> license. But I have not discovered any way to do even that simple little
> thing with the Standard version.
>
> The Standard version provides one VS which can do windows forms and web
> pages. Otherwise you need VS Express for windows forms and a different free
> VS for web pages.
>
> I certainly wouldn't pay for the Standard, or any of the other priced
> versions, until you have a definite need.
>
> Bob
>

I think you are describing the click once deployment method, which I don't
use. I see that it is included in express.

Here is a link to getting the full comparison charts:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Mike

07-17-2009

The Express Edition sounds like exactly what you want.

Dick

--
Richard Grier, MVP
Hard & Software
Author of Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, Fourth
Edition,
ISBN 1-890422-28-2 (391 pages, includes CD-ROM). July 2004, Revised March
2006.
See www.hardandsoftware.net for details and contact information.

07-17-2009	#1 (permalink)
Family Tree Mike n/a posts	RE: VB Express 2008 Vs VS2003 Professional "JungleJim74" wrote: Quote: > Hello. I have been using VS2003 Professional for several years but I recently > downloaded the free VB2008 Express Edition so that I could use the > "Truncate"method in converting decimal degrees to DMS (degrees, minutes, and > seconds). The MS Website stated that this is an absolutely free Express > Edition but experience has taught me that if it is "free" you get something > less that the version that costs hundreds of dollars. I am 81 and just > program a little for myself and a few friends (no charge- I give my programs > away free) so I was wondering if this Express Edition is really all that I > need since my requirements are so minimal. Do I really need anything more > that the 2008 Express Edition for the little programming that I do? Thanks in > advance for any comments or suggestions on this. > -- > JungleJim74 There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how important they are. 1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome, but nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you. 2. In express, you cannot have a single solution with many dlls written in different languages such as C#. Sometimes it is convenient to have components which are already mature in one language, combined with a new code in another language. Mike
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07-17-2009	#2 (permalink)
eBob.com n/a posts	Re: VB Express 2008 Vs VS2003 Professional "Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeMike@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:BD7CC9AA-C1F2-4DFD-BC7F-298B4DE00012@xxxxxx Quote: > <sinp> Quote: > There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how > important they are. > > 1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple > programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually > sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome, > but > nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you. > > 2. <snip>. > > Mike That's not been my experience. I just checked the free VS Express which I got with VBE and there is a "Publish" choice on the Build menu and I am sure I have used it to create a .msi package. In fact I bought the Standard (i.e. not free) version of VS hoping I'd could build a better install package with it. All I want to do is to include a license. But I have not discovered any way to do even that simple little thing with the Standard version. The Standard version provides one VS which can do windows forms and web pages. Otherwise you need VS Express for windows forms and a different free VS for web pages. I certainly wouldn't pay for the Standard, or any of the other priced versions, until you have a definite need. Bob
My System Specs

07-17-2009	#3 (permalink)
Family Tree Mike n/a posts	Re: VB Express 2008 Vs VS2003 Professional "eBob.com" wrote: Quote: > > "Family Tree Mike" <FamilyTreeMike@xxxxxx> wrote in > message news:BD7CC9AA-C1F2-4DFD-BC7F-298B4DE00012@xxxxxx Quote: > > > <sinp> > Quote: > > There are at least two key differences that you need to evaluate as to how > > important they are. > > > > 1. In express, you cannot create a setup/deployment project. For simple > > programs though, simply copying an executable and any dlls is usually > > sufficient. If you use many datafiles though, this could get cumbersome, > > but > > nothing a simple zip file distribution couldn't take care of for you. > > > > 2. <snip>. > > > > Mike > > That's not been my experience. I just checked the free VS Express which I > got with VBE and there is a "Publish" choice on the Build menu and I am sure > I have used it to create a .msi package. > > In fact I bought the Standard (i.e. not free) version of VS hoping I'd could > build a better install package with it. All I want to do is to include a > license. But I have not discovered any way to do even that simple little > thing with the Standard version. > > The Standard version provides one VS which can do windows forms and web > pages. Otherwise you need VS Express for windows forms and a different free > VS for web pages. > > I certainly wouldn't pay for the Standard, or any of the other priced > versions, until you have a definite need. > > Bob > I think you are describing the click once deployment method, which I don't use. I see that it is included in express. Here is a link to getting the full comparison charts: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en Mike
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07-17-2009	#4 (permalink)
Dick Grier n/a posts	Re: VB Express 2008 Vs VS2003 Professional The Express Edition sounds like exactly what you want. Dick -- Richard Grier, MVP Hard & Software Author of Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, Fourth Edition, ISBN 1-890422-28-2 (391 pages, includes CD-ROM). July 2004, Revised March 2006. See www.hardandsoftware.net for details and contact information.
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