Vista - stdout redirection

Hello everyone,
I'm pretty new to powershell scripting so this might seem like a stupid
question, excuse me for that. I already searched the forum and documentation
but couldn't find a solution so I take my chances here.

Basically all I want to do is to write the output of some command line
utilities and python scripts into a text file. With cmd I used the '>'
operator for that. However, the resulting file is messed up with spaces
between each character. I searched the documentation and found info about the
commands 'out-file' and 'set-content'. There are a number of different
encodings which can be set. I tried every combination of {out-file,
set-content} -encoding *, however, the outfile never matches the output
generated on the console. Instead either spaces or new-lines are inserted.
Since I use this output for further processing it is vital that the file
exactly matches the output on stdout.
Can anybody tell me how I can redirect the output on stdout to a file
without powershell messing with the content?

best regards and thanks a lot

On Dec 3, 7:35 am, tomaszinc <tomasz...@xxxxxx>
wrote:Take a look here:

http://keithhill.spaces.live.com/blo...3A97!811.entry

Excellent page for this topic.

Thanks a lot for your quick answer.

The page is great, but if I don't get it wrong then what he says is: "you
can't capture console output".

I now tried different combinations of |out-string -stream | out-file
-encoding {oem, default} and so on. I actually managed to capture some
command line output correctly, but python script output still is totally
messed up. So what works for one is no solution for another.

I'm sorry, but this is just garbage. I mean, a shell where you can't even
redirect console output to a file is totally worthless, no matter how fancy
the output is presented on screen or what other cool features it offers.

I guess I just stick with cygwin shell scripting, at least MS is not messing
up my data here. It's a pity though, powershell promises so much and then
even the most simple and basic tasks are impossible to do.

But thanks again.

"Kuma" wrote:

"Kuma" <kumasan76@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:df04d430-83b5-4e64-a47e-7bcfa100d6f8@xxxxxxThanks. This particular issue can be annoying. Obvious when you send an
array of strings down the pipe (where they're not CRLF terminated) and you
redirect that to a file, you would want each string to correspond to a line
in the file. That requires PowerShell to append it's own CRLF to the end of
each line even if the string already has a CRLF at the end e.g.:

126# "one`r`n","two`r`n","three" | Out-File .\output.txt -Encoding ascii
127# format-hex C:\Temp\output.txt

Address: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 ASCII
-------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
00000000 6F 6E 65 0D 0A 0D 0A 74 77 6F 0D 0A 0D 0A 74 68 72 65 65 0D 0A
one....two....three..

NOTE: Format-Hex is a PSCX cmdlet. I wonder if it would have made more
sense to have PowerShell punt on adding CRLF when the string already ends in
a CRLF. Hmmm. Anyway you can do what you want. Unfortunately it isn't as
straight forward as you would hope:

128# $output = csc.exe
129# $text = [String]::Join([Environment]::NewLine, $output)
130# [System.IO.File]::WriteAllText("$pwd\foo.txt", $text)

For what it's worth, if you use the WriteAllLines method in the File class,
which takes an array of strings, you wind up with the exact same problem -
an extra CRLF at the end.

--
Keith

"tomaszinc" <tomaszinc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:B7AEAF9C-B5F0-4204-8A27-6CC86554338D@xxxxxxNot quite. "Output" is an interesting term in PowerShell. In PowerShell,
output consists of what you would find in stdout in other shells with the
exception being that the type of the output may be a string (a .NET object)
or it may be any other type of .NET object. In PowerShell, there are times
that you want to communicate something to the console user but not have that
communication (a string) get mixed up with the stdout output. In this case,
you would use a cmdlet like Write-Host. For instance, given this function:

function foo {
"Hi"
$true
1
[Math]::Pi
Write-Host "In function foo"
}

$result = foo

The $result variable in this case would contain the stdout of the function
foo (string hi, boolean True, int 1 and double 3.14159...). However the
output would not contain the string "In function foo" because that message
is written directly to the host/console. My point was that if you are
wanting to log everything output by a script, you can't capture these
messages written directly to the console/host unless you use
Start-Transcript.
Just so you know you can redirect stdout/stderr output to a file. The team
made the decision to be "forward thinking" and default the redirection
output encoding to Unicode. Perhaps at some point, in retrospect, that will
appear to be a brilliant decision but for the moment it can be problematic
until you know it does that and you know how to get around it (using
Out-File -enc ascii).

For what it's worth, I feel your pain. Getting started with PowerShell can
be frustrating especially if you have *lots* of experience with other
shells. PowerShell requires a while to make the transition from the
text-based processing approach to the object-based processing approach.
There are a number of subtleties. And I'm not saying that you still don't
need text processing. You do and that is an area where PowerShell is just a
bit weak IMO.
Give it a bit more time and feel free to ask questions on this newsgroup.
You might also want to check out my entire Effective PowerShell series. It
really helps to have a good mental model for how PowerShell works. I also
recommend "Windows PowerShell in Action" to help you climb the learning
curve. But if you're not ready to commit that much to PowerShell yet, just
keep the questions coming here. There are a lot of folks here willing to
help you out.

--
Keith

yep keith alludes to something important

many times people are wanting to capture all that came on the screen.

and they do something like

1..5 | % { write-host "this screen $_" ; "in pipe $_" } > myfile.txt

and under other shells all the output include the stuff from write-host
would be redirected to myfile.txt

however in powershell this is not the case, which people say is stupid,
but here is the reason.
effectively is just puting to out-file

and out-file is taking the input from the PIPELINE and then outputting
it.. thus what was written directly to the screen gets lost..

this can be hard, but you see in powershell, everything (other than
native calls) is running inside the same process.. STDIO redirection
happens between process boundaries , and thus wouldn't pick up all the
stuff happening in a IN MEMORY/ IN PROCESS powershell pipeline.

there are ways to do it.. i.e call an external powershell process, in
that case its running another process, and the STDOUT of that external
powershell call is directed back into your calling powershell with all
the results as text

powershell { 1..5 | % { write-host "this screen $_" ; "in pipe $_" } }

Hello again,

thanks for all your answers.
I understand the choices which have been made in designing powershell and I
think the native unicode support and the object oriented view is great.
Powershell offers a lot of features which I missed in all shells I have
worked with (eg creating forms). In fact, I think it is not yet powerful
enough, in my opinion a really powerful shell should enable the user to
completely control the operating system including for example moving the
mouse on screen, sending signals and messages to all processes and
applications and so on. Powershell is on the best way to achieve this.
However, I still have great issues with how powershell handles the output of
command line utilities.
Take the following c application for example (lets call it ascii.exe from
now on):
-----------code-----------
#include<stdio.h>
main() {
for (int i = 0; i < 256; i++) {
printf("%c",i);
}
}
-----------code-----------
As you can see, all it does is printing all ascii characters including the
extended set to stdout. If you execute the following line under any shell of
your choice (well I tested it with cmd.exe, sh.exe, cygwin.exe, and native
unix sh,bash)

# ascii.exe > ascii_code.txt

then the resulting file will consist of all characters from 0x00 up to 0xff
without any spaces or newlines. Whether or not the representation on screen
is equal on the different systems or shells is not of interest, important is,
that the binary representation within the file exactly matches the output
generated by ascii.exe.
However, in powershell this is not the case, if I run the above command line
there, the resulting file will look like this (in hex now):

ff fe 00 00 01 00 02 00 03 00 ...
... 7f 00 c7 00 fc 00 e9 00 e2 00 ...
....92 25 93 25 02 25 24 25...

First, there is some prefix added (ff fe), then after every character a NUL
character is inserted as delim. The characters after 0x7f are completely
messed up, randomly I guess, at least I can't find a pattern.

If you now run the following line:

PS > ascii.exe | out-file -encoding ascii ascii_code.txt

then all characters up to 0x0f are right, but after that only '?' (0x3f)
follow. And at the end the newline characters 0x0d 0x0a are appended. Sure,
it makes perfect sense to ignore the extended character set when using ascii
encoding. The final newline, however certainly does not belong there. So no
luck again.

Now the next try:

PS > ascii.exe | out-file -encoding oem ascii_code.txt

Now we get close. All characters from 0x00 to 0xff are present in the right
order without any NULs or newline. However, again the useless 0x0d 0x0a is
appended. Again, no exact match of the output.

My next idea was to assign the command line output to a variable.

PS > $ascii = ascii.exe

But guess what, even the content of $ascii is not the same as the output of
ascii.exe (well, at least the output on screen is not)!

PS > ascii.exe
☺☻♥♦♣
♫☼►◄↕‼¶§▬↨↑↓→�∟↔▲▼ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;
.... ...

PS > $ascii
☺☻♥♦
♂♀
♫☼►◄↕‼¶§▬↨↑↓→�∟↔▲▼ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;
.... ...

So from my novice point of view there is no way at all to operate on the
data ascii.exe produces.

Seriously, you can't do that. A shell must not under no circumstances at all
mess around with data produced by any application. It must guarantee, that
you can take this data, write it to files or variables, send it over network
or whatever and always get the exact same binary representation of the
original output. There are uncountable tools that can take input from pipes
or files and produce output on stdout, they all won't work right on
powershell, at least, not if you want to use intermediate files or even
variables.

My specific problem is: I'm doing language processing which means, using
numerous perl, python and prolog scripts and some self written applications
which all operate on characters or more specifically on their hex
represantation. powershell always ruins the output of these scripts and apps.
This is unacceptable.

The problem here is, I guess, that powershell does more that it should, for
example passing everything to a formatter and "nicely" representing it on the
screen. My opinion on this is that a shell is not at all responsible for how
the data is represented on screen, the application is. This would only make
sense in a closed environment where you have complete control over what
applications are executed. With a shell, you don't have (or is it that what
you want?).
Take this statement:Are you sure of that? What if I don't want? Why are you making this decision
for me?

A solution could be, using the '>' operator to redirect the data in binary
form, without any formatters messing it up (if this is possible).

What I wanted to do is build a nice GUI that unifies all my scripts and apps
and allows me to do all the analysis (including some computations) without
having to run lots of command lines. But at the moment I see no way how this
could be possible, I don't even see a way how I can write a normal batch in
powershell that executes all the scripts and apps without ending up with
garbled and wrong data.

So seriously, you should REALLY reconsider what you are doing here, this
just won't work.

Regards
Tomas

"Keith Hill [MVP]" wrote:

the example you gave was really good. I think it would be good for the
powershell team to have a look at this and see what they think, and how
they'd explain it. (or fix it

-Karl