First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
few weeks now and looking for advice.

Current Situation:

SBS 2003 Premium
Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
Using Sharepoint
About 20 Desktops in the building


Proposed Setup:

SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
Will be using Folder Re-direction
Plan to setup some GPO's
RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
Images of workstations.

My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over a
weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old server
is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new server
network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
on the new server.

Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
to point to the new server or use the migration process?

I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I have
heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.


I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.

Any thoughts or advice?




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Hey, I just did a upgrade. I went with a new server and just created a new
domain. i did this primarily because I just wanted a clean setup and I only
wanted to work with SBS 2008 issues and not migration issues.

I probably didn't do the most efficient regarding bringing over email - I
just used psts.

i didn't have much on SharePoint so that wasn't an issue.

What I wish I had done is setup the new server and domain with a couple of
clients on a weekend. Use the week to resolve any issues that come up and
then move into production the following weekend.

Good luck. Dave



"Quicksilver" wrote:

>
> First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
> few weeks now and looking for advice.
>
> Current Situation:
>
> SBS 2003 Premium
> Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
> Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
> client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
> Using Sharepoint
> About 20 Desktops in the building
>
>
> Proposed Setup:
>
> SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
> Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
> Will be using Folder Re-direction
> Plan to setup some GPO's
> RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
> Images of workstations.
>
> My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
> or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over a
> weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old server
> is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new server
> network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
> sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
> on the new server.
>
> Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
> to point to the new server or use the migration process?
>
> I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
> have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
> the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
> goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I have
> heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.
>
>
> I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
> installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
> use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.
>
> Any thoughts or advice?
>
>
> --
> Quicksilver
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>

Depending on how you do this, it may require more than a weekend. Just make
sure your current SBS server doesn't have any problems and you have plenty
of good, tested backups. :-)

Something else to look at might be a Swing-IT migration.
http://www.sbsmigration.com

This should retain your domain server name, all your desktop profiles and
also allow you to complete the majority of the work 'offline'. When you're
ready, you could remove the present SBS 2003 server and then introduce your
new SBS 2008 server to the domain. If things go south, you can re-introduce
the SBS 2003 and keep your network going until you figure out where the
problems are.

I think I would set up the POP3 Connector in SBS 2008 to retrieve POP3 email
until I was sure all other problems had been solved. Then change your MX
record and A record, turn off the POP3 Connector and move to Exchange SMTP.
This could be done a week or two (or more) after the initial migration. I'm
assuming that all the desktops have at least a copy of MS Office 2003/2007
Professional installed as standalone Outlook is not provided with SBS 2008
(like it was with SBS 2003).

Multiple Domains on SBS 2008-Exchange 2007
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2008/10/ho...ns-on-sbs.html

Since you have SQL 2005 on another server, I assume this is a standalone
version you bought and you have all the CALs for it (i.e., you aren't using
SQL that came with SBS 2003 Premium on this SQL server).

The current email/calendar/contacts/etc. for each user will need to exported
to a .pst file and then manually imported into Exchange 2007 after the SBS
2008 server is introduced to the network.

The RD1000 may be problematic with SBS 2008 (as they were with SBS 2003).
Can't remember off hand if there is a registry hack for using them with SBS
2008.

--
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============================

"Quicksilver" <Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup

>
> First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
> few weeks now and looking for advice.
>
> Current Situation:
>
> SBS 2003 Premium
> Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
> Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
> client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
> Using Sharepoint
> About 20 Desktops in the building
>
>
> Proposed Setup:
>
> SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
> Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
> Will be using Folder Re-direction
> Plan to setup some GPO's
> RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
> Images of workstations.
>
> My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
> or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over a
> weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old server
> is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new server
> network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
> sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
> on the new server.
>
> Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
> to point to the new server or use the migration process?
>
> I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
> have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
> the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
> goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I have
> heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.
>
>
> I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
> installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
> use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.
>
> Any thoughts or advice?
>
>
> --
> Quicksilver
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Quicksilver's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/members/125877.htm
> View this thread:
> http://forums.techarena.in/small-bus...er/1232954.htm
>
> http://forums.techarena.in
>

One simple question. Can I use the same domain name if I setup the server
without connecting to the existing network?

"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> Depending on how you do this, it may require more than a weekend. Just make
> sure your current SBS server doesn't have any problems and you have plenty
> of good, tested backups. :-)
>
> Something else to look at might be a Swing-IT migration.
> http://www.sbsmigration.com
>
> This should retain your domain server name, all your desktop profiles and
> also allow you to complete the majority of the work 'offline'. When you're
> ready, you could remove the present SBS 2003 server and then introduce your
> new SBS 2008 server to the domain. If things go south, you can re-introduce
> the SBS 2003 and keep your network going until you figure out where the
> problems are.
>
> I think I would set up the POP3 Connector in SBS 2008 to retrieve POP3 email
> until I was sure all other problems had been solved. Then change your MX
> record and A record, turn off the POP3 Connector and move to Exchange SMTP.
> This could be done a week or two (or more) after the initial migration. I'm
> assuming that all the desktops have at least a copy of MS Office 2003/2007
> Professional installed as standalone Outlook is not provided with SBS 2008
> (like it was with SBS 2003).
>
> Multiple Domains on SBS 2008-Exchange 2007
> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2008/10/ho...ns-on-sbs.html
>
> Since you have SQL 2005 on another server, I assume this is a standalone
> version you bought and you have all the CALs for it (i.e., you aren't using
> SQL that came with SBS 2003 Premium on this SQL server).
>
> The current email/calendar/contacts/etc. for each user will need to exported
> to a .pst file and then manually imported into Exchange 2007 after the SBS
> 2008 server is introduced to the network.
>
> The RD1000 may be problematic with SBS 2008 (as they were with SBS 2003).
> Can't remember off hand if there is a registry hack for using them with SBS
> 2008.
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================
>
> "Quicksilver" <Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup

> >
> > First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
> > few weeks now and looking for advice.
> >
> > Current Situation:
> >
> > SBS 2003 Premium
> > Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
> > Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
> > client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
> > Using Sharepoint
> > About 20 Desktops in the building
> >
> >
> > Proposed Setup:
> >
> > SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
> > Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
> > Will be using Folder Re-direction
> > Plan to setup some GPO's
> > RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
> > Images of workstations.
> >
> > My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
> > or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over a
> > weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old server
> > is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new server
> > network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
> > sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
> > on the new server.
> >
> > Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
> > to point to the new server or use the migration process?
> >
> > I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
> > have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
> > the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
> > goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I have
> > heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.
> >
> >
> > I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
> > installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
> > use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.
> >
> > Any thoughts or advice?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Quicksilver
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Quicksilver's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/members/125877.htm
> > View this thread:
> > http://forums.techarena.in/small-bus...er/1232954.htm
> >
> > http://forums.techarena.in
> >

>
>
>

In addition to the other comments...the RD1000 from Dell does not work with SBS 2008 unless you are going to purchase 3rd party software.

Setting up a whole new domain for 20 workstations is going to involve a lot of touching of workstations. if you had 10 or fewer, new domain is fine.

Consider the actual migration from Microsoft or sbsmigration.com


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"Quicksilver" <Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup> wrote in message news:Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup

First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
few weeks now and looking for advice.

Current Situation:

SBS 2003 Premium
Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
Using Sharepoint
About 20 Desktops in the building


Proposed Setup:

SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
Will be using Folder Re-direction
Plan to setup some GPO's
RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
Images of workstations.

My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over a
weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old server
is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new server
network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
on the new server.

Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
to point to the new server or use the migration process?

I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I have
heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.


I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.

Any thoughts or advice?


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Yes you could, but you'd need to unjoin all workstations and servers from
the current network and then join them to the new SBS 2008 network. This
means new profiles for all users, mapped drives and shares would need to be
re-done, SQL tweaked for the new domain, etc.. This can be mitigated with
effort but it's going to involve some work. The Swing-IT migration would
take care of this for you.

--
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============================


"poolshark" <poolshark@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:2E096F0F-A6AE-4C5B-B1B5-431784B5FC4B@newsgroup

> One simple question. Can I use the same domain name if I setup the server
> without connecting to the existing network?
>
> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>

>> Depending on how you do this, it may require more than a weekend. Just
>> make
>> sure your current SBS server doesn't have any problems and you have
>> plenty
>> of good, tested backups. :-)
>>
>> Something else to look at might be a Swing-IT migration.
>> http://www.sbsmigration.com
>>
>> This should retain your domain server name, all your desktop profiles and
>> also allow you to complete the majority of the work 'offline'. When
>> you're
>> ready, you could remove the present SBS 2003 server and then introduce
>> your
>> new SBS 2008 server to the domain. If things go south, you can
>> re-introduce
>> the SBS 2003 and keep your network going until you figure out where the
>> problems are.
>>
>> I think I would set up the POP3 Connector in SBS 2008 to retrieve POP3
>> email
>> until I was sure all other problems had been solved. Then change your MX
>> record and A record, turn off the POP3 Connector and move to Exchange
>> SMTP.
>> This could be done a week or two (or more) after the initial migration.
>> I'm
>> assuming that all the desktops have at least a copy of MS Office
>> 2003/2007
>> Professional installed as standalone Outlook is not provided with SBS
>> 2008
>> (like it was with SBS 2003).
>>
>> Multiple Domains on SBS 2008-Exchange 2007
>> http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2008/10/ho...ns-on-sbs.html
>>
>> Since you have SQL 2005 on another server, I assume this is a standalone
>> version you bought and you have all the CALs for it (i.e., you aren't
>> using
>> SQL that came with SBS 2003 Premium on this SQL server).
>>
>> The current email/calendar/contacts/etc. for each user will need to
>> exported
>> to a .pst file and then manually imported into Exchange 2007 after the
>> SBS
>> 2008 server is introduced to the network.
>>
>> The RD1000 may be problematic with SBS 2008 (as they were with SBS 2003).
>> Can't remember off hand if there is a registry hack for using them with
>> SBS
>> 2008.
>>
>> --
>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> ============================
>>
>> "Quicksilver" <Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:Quicksilver.3x2p7b@newsgroup

>> >
>> > First I apologize for the long post but this has been on my mind for a
>> > few weeks now and looking for advice.
>> >
>> > Current Situation:
>> >
>> > SBS 2003 Premium
>> > Not using SQL from SBS but have another server using SQL 2005
>> > Exchange currently not hosting email (ISP hosts Pop3) and each Outlook
>> > client retrieves Pop3 email on a per client basis.
>> > Using Sharepoint
>> > About 20 Desktops in the building
>> >
>> >
>> > Proposed Setup:
>> >
>> > SBS 2008 Standard on a new server
>> > Will be hosting email with Exchange 2007
>> > Will be using Folder Re-direction
>> > Plan to setup some GPO's
>> > RD1000 Backup Unit (new) for backing up exchange, data and possibly
>> > Images of workstations.
>> >
>> > My dilema is whether to do a migration to SBS 2008 using an answer file
>> > or install 2008 and do everything from scratch. I plan to do this over
>> > a
>> > weekend to minimize downtime. Now my problem lies in that the old
>> > server
>> > is using the domain name (locally) that I want to use for the new
>> > server
>> > network as well. It is also our fqdn that will be in use for email and
>> > sharepoint hosting. I also need to run Blackberry Professional software
>> > on the new server.
>> >
>> > Would you install a whole new network and reconfigure all 20 desktops
>> > to point to the new server or use the migration process?
>> >
>> > I need to have all the exchange data moved to the new server. They will
>> > have new email addresses. Have to setup my MX record with my ISP before
>> > the weekend. I also need to have a backup email system in case exchange
>> > goes down to hld the email in a queue until it comes back online. I
>> > have
>> > heard good things about AppRiver but not sure how to go about it.
>> >
>> >
>> > I had some thoughts of wiping all the desktops and putting fresh
>> > installs of XP Pro on them but that would involve a ton of work as we
>> > use numerous programs per machine including MS dynamics.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts or advice?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quicksilver
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Quicksilver's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/members/125877.htm
>> > View this thread:
>> > http://forums.techarena.in/small-bus...er/1232954.htm
>> >
>> > http://forums.techarena.in
>> >

>>
>>
>>