I have a brand new physical server box with 16gb RAM and 2x750GB drives
ready for a Raid 1 environment ready to go for SBS 2008 premium. My first
inclination is to just install the SBS 2008 prem including the SQL 2008 on
the same physical box. Hyper-V is new to me and with this machine I can use
it as a "play" machine for a while before it has to move to production with
the SBS 2008.

What would you do and how/would you mix the Hyper-V into the mix and why? I
only have the 1 physical box but it should be well enough equiped to do alot
of things.

-Richard K

In article <#TUVSH2LKHA.1372@newsgroup>,
rkokoski@newsgroup says...

>
> I have a brand new physical server box with 16gb RAM and 2x750GB drives
> ready for a Raid 1 environment ready to go for SBS 2008 premium. My first
> inclination is to just install the SBS 2008 prem including the SQL 2008 on
> the same physical box. Hyper-V is new to me and with this machine I can use
> it as a "play" machine for a while before it has to move to production with
> the SBS 2008.
>
> What would you do and how/would you mix the Hyper-V into the mix and why? I
> only have the 1 physical box but it should be well enough equiped to do alot
> of things.

I would use Hyper-V if you have Dual CPU's with Quad Cores, but I would
have one said of RAID-1 drives on a controller for the Parent and the
Child SBS 2008 installation and a second RAID 0+1 or RAID 5 for the
Child SQL server install. I would set SBS 08 to use 2 cores of the first
CPU and SQL to use 6 cores if SQL has a heavy load, if SQL has a light
load then I would set SBS for all 4 cores of CPU 1 and SQL for all 4
cores of CPU 2.


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In my case this is not a dual cpu hardware setup and I only have 2 hard
drives planned for a RAID 1. The SBS will have about 10-12 clients and only
3 of them will use a LOB app for the SQL so very little load. I'm assuming
by your description I probably don't have the right hardware set up here?

My bigger question is what are the benefits of doing this as a hyper-V vs a
standard install?

"Leythos" <spam999free@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:MPG.250e8649275ff601989e6b@newsgroup

> In article <#TUVSH2LKHA.1372@newsgroup>,
> rkokoski@newsgroup says...

>>
>> I have a brand new physical server box with 16gb RAM and 2x750GB drives
>> ready for a Raid 1 environment ready to go for SBS 2008 premium. My
>> first
>> inclination is to just install the SBS 2008 prem including the SQL 2008
>> on
>> the same physical box. Hyper-V is new to me and with this machine I can
>> use
>> it as a "play" machine for a while before it has to move to production
>> with
>> the SBS 2008.
>>
>> What would you do and how/would you mix the Hyper-V into the mix and why?
>> I
>> only have the 1 physical box but it should be well enough equiped to do
>> alot
>> of things.

>
> I would use Hyper-V if you have Dual CPU's with Quad Cores, but I would
> have one said of RAID-1 drives on a controller for the Parent and the
> Child SBS 2008 installation and a second RAID 0+1 or RAID 5 for the
> Child SQL server install. I would set SBS 08 to use 2 cores of the first
> CPU and SQL to use 6 cores if SQL has a heavy load, if SQL has a light
> load then I would set SBS for all 4 cores of CPU 1 and SQL for all 4
> cores of CPU 2.
>
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> spam999free@newsgroup (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <#JPKV47LKHA.4592@newsgroup>,
rkokoski@newsgroup says...

>
> In my case this is not a dual cpu hardware setup and I only have 2 hard
> drives planned for a RAID 1. The SBS will have about 10-12 clients and only
> 3 of them will use a LOB app for the SQL so very little load. I'm assuming
> by your description I probably don't have the right hardware set up here?

I have no real way of knowing without knowing your customers, but a
Single CPU machine would be my last choice for Hyper-V with SBS and
anything else.

> My bigger question is what are the benefits of doing this as a hyper-V vs a
> standard install?

Ease, speed, cost is significantly lower, etc...

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You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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I'd tend to agree on the single CPU, but even more on the hard disk as
limiting factors for a satisfactory hyper-v experience. Depending on load,
you might well be able to run a few VMs on that box as far as CPU is
concerned, assuming quad core, but you'll max out the I/O subsystem almost
immediately.

--
Charlie.
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"Leythos" <spam999free@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:MPG.250ee12ea99102af989e76@newsgroup

> In article <#JPKV47LKHA.4592@newsgroup>,
> rkokoski@newsgroup says...

>>
>> In my case this is not a dual cpu hardware setup and I only have 2 hard
>> drives planned for a RAID 1. The SBS will have about 10-12 clients and
>> only
>> 3 of them will use a LOB app for the SQL so very little load. I'm
>> assuming
>> by your description I probably don't have the right hardware set up here?

>
> I have no real way of knowing without knowing your customers, but a
> Single CPU machine would be my last choice for Hyper-V with SBS and
> anything else.
>

>> My bigger question is what are the benefits of doing this as a hyper-V vs
>> a
>> standard install?

>
> Ease, speed, cost is significantly lower, etc...
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> spam999free@newsgroup (remove 999 for proper email address)

I agree with the answers you've received so far. A single RAID 1 array is
not the way to go for Hyper-V. I would have a small RAID 1 for the parent OS
(SATA OK here) and separate (SAS) arrays for each child that uses
significant disk I/O. In this case both the SBS server and the SQL server
could consume a fair bit of disk I/O. Disk I/O is usually the first
bottleneck you'll hit with virtualization. You have to plan for and build
the vm's just as if they were real servers. Your setup would be fine for a
"play" machine but only minimally adequate for a very small production
network. I'd go with more and probably smaller hard drives to separate the
vm's.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/


"Richard K" <rkokoski@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:#TUVSH2LKHA.1372@newsgroup

> I have a brand new physical server box with 16gb RAM and 2x750GB drives
> ready for a Raid 1 environment ready to go for SBS 2008 premium. My first
> inclination is to just install the SBS 2008 prem including the SQL 2008 on
> the same physical box. Hyper-V is new to me and with this machine I can
> use it as a "play" machine for a while before it has to move to production
> with the SBS 2008.
>
> What would you do and how/would you mix the Hyper-V into the mix and why?
> I only have the 1 physical box but it should be well enough equiped to do
> alot of things.
>
> -Richard K
>
>