I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from their
Exchange setup to Google Apps.

Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP server I
have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying from the SBS server
IP.



I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to the
gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials to allow me
to connect via secure SMTP.

I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to handle
the forwards.

Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any more?

Hi Robert:

Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?

Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why not
kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic Windows Server,
or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?

-
Larry
Please post the resolution to your
issue so others may benefit
-
Get Your SBS Health Check at
www.sbsbpa.com

> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from
> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>
> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
> from the SBS server IP.
>
> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>
> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
> handle the forwards.
>
> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
> more?
>

there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the fax
submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted document in
the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)

"Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in message
news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup

> Hi Robert:
>
> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>
> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why not
> kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic Windows
> Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
>
> -
> Larry
> Please post the resolution to your
> issue so others may benefit
> -
> Get Your SBS Health Check at
> www.sbsbpa.com
>
>

>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from
>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>>
>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>> from the SBS server IP.
>>
>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>>
>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
>> handle the forwards.
>>
>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>> more?
>>

>
>

I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again for
another?

Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder

Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...

It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose to
use it
Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...

Russ


--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup

> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the fax
> submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted document in
> the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
>
> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup

>> Hi Robert:
>>
>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>>
>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why not
>> kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic Windows
>> Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
>>
>> -
>> Larry
>> Please post the resolution to your
>> issue so others may benefit
>> -
>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
>> www.sbsbpa.com
>>
>>

>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from
>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>>>
>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>>> from the SBS server IP.
>>>
>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>>>
>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
>>> handle the forwards.
>>>
>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>>> more?
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'

The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is no
delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as well.

It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then along
comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.

The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'. Guess
what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.

"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup

>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again for
> another?
>
> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
>
> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
>
> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose to
> use it
> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
>
> Russ
>
>
> --
> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup

>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the fax
>> submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted document
>> in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
>>
>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup

>>> Hi Robert:
>>>
>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>>>
>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why
>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Larry
>>> Please post the resolution to your
>>> issue so others may benefit
>>> -
>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
>>> www.sbsbpa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from
>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>>>>
>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>>>> from the SBS server IP.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
>>>> handle the forwards.
>>>>
>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>>>> more?
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

Yes I Understand the #$#@$ Reason
And I blame Fly by night IT consultants for most of that.
(Who seem cheap but cost you money in the long run.)

But once you have it, and has all this cool stuff
Why not take a couple of mins to do it correct?

and Managing Exchange in SBS is Piece of Cake.
Just use the wizards....

My Point is you have a Wonderful tool for small businesess
not making use of a Tool that can make you MORE productive
spend less time, and as we all know time=money....

to me it's a No brainer, use tools...
Howerver if you never used the POP3 connector you'd do your self a big
favor.
This transition tool is worthless IMO if you know what you are doing.

To me this is like buying a Ferrari because you like to sit in the seat and
pretend to drive...
Sure it cost money to run it, but you will have a lot of fun using it!

I'm still under the impression if you are going to do something
why not do it right?
Half Assed (Pardon me) just cost you more money in the long run...

The OP has a great Solution SBS
However he's scrambling around to find OTHER solutions
when the Solution he has is in front of him.

I think he should Consult.
Tell them how much this OTHER solution is costing
VS the EASY Other Solutions...
COSTING MORE MONEY/TIME/Billed Hours!

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it cost less in the long run...
As a consultant, that's our job to explain the total cost.

Russ




--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz

"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:#fvXwqUyKHA.3408@newsgroup

> The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'
>
> The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
> exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is no
> delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as well.
>
> It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then along
> comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.
>
> The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'. Guess
> what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.
>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup

>>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
>> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
>> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again for
>> another?
>>
>> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
>> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
>>
>> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
>> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
>>
>> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose
>> to use it
>> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> --
>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
>>
>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup

>>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the
>>> fax submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted
>>> document in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
>>>
>>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
>>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup
>>>> Hi Robert:
>>>>
>>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>>>>
>>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why
>>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
>>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Larry
>>>> Please post the resolution to your
>>>> issue so others may benefit
>>>> -
>>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
>>>> www.sbsbpa.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move from
>>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>>>>> from the SBS server IP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
>>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
>>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
>>>>> handle the forwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>>>>> more?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>

That's right there was the SBS without exchange etc.
That would been even cheaper for those that didn't want exchange.
(I forget what it was called.)

Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz

"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
news522EDF2-A330-4B7E-9186-79DF4A19116F@newsgroup

> Yes I Understand the #$#@$ Reason
> And I blame Fly by night IT consultants for most of that.
> (Who seem cheap but cost you money in the long run.)
>
> But once you have it, and has all this cool stuff
> Why not take a couple of mins to do it correct?
>
> and Managing Exchange in SBS is Piece of Cake.
> Just use the wizards....
>
> My Point is you have a Wonderful tool for small businesess
> not making use of a Tool that can make you MORE productive
> spend less time, and as we all know time=money....
>
> to me it's a No brainer, use tools...
> Howerver if you never used the POP3 connector you'd do your self a big
> favor.
> This transition tool is worthless IMO if you know what you are doing.
>
> To me this is like buying a Ferrari because you like to sit in the seat
> and pretend to drive...
> Sure it cost money to run it, but you will have a lot of fun using it!
>
> I'm still under the impression if you are going to do something
> why not do it right?
> Half Assed (Pardon me) just cost you more money in the long run...
>
> The OP has a great Solution SBS
> However he's scrambling around to find OTHER solutions
> when the Solution he has is in front of him.
>
> I think he should Consult.
> Tell them how much this OTHER solution is costing
> VS the EASY Other Solutions...
> COSTING MORE MONEY/TIME/Billed Hours!
>
> Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it cost less in the long
> run...
> As a consultant, that's our job to explain the total cost.
>
> Russ
>
>
>
>
> --
> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:#fvXwqUyKHA.3408@newsgroup

>> The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'
>>
>> The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
>> exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is no
>> delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as well.
>>
>> It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then
>> along comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.
>>
>> The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'. Guess
>> what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.
>>
>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup

>>>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
>>> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
>>> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again
>>> for another?
>>>
>>> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
>>> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
>>>
>>> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
>>> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
>>>
>>> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose
>>> to use it
>>> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
>>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
>>>
>>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
>>> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup
>>>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the
>>>> fax submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted
>>>> document in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
>>>>
>>>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup
>>>>> Hi Robert:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why
>>>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
>>>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> Please post the resolution to your
>>>>> issue so others may benefit
>>>>> -
>>>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
>>>>> www.sbsbpa.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>>>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>>>>>> from the SBS server IP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
>>>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
>>>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
>>>>>> handle the forwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>>>>>> more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>

Pretty much a useless threat of you *must* use Exchange and bash the OP (me) .

Yes I have the solution working without Exchange. Yes I know how to admin
Exchange. The difference is I know when to use it and when not to and don't
have to use the *force* hammer on pretending it is the best for all
circumstances.

The point is moot. I refuse to continue this. I asked a simple question.
The answer could have been a simple "no".

I *am* forwarding fax notifications via smtp. It is working. I was wondering
if Microsoft in its "infinite" glory had established other manners of routing.

Now aside from all that. I *did not* set this server up for the clients in
question. They *absolutely* do not want to use Exchange because of the many
problems the have had with it in the past from other IT administrators. Is it
*REALLY* my place to force them to use it if they are dead-set on not using
it? Absolutely not! If you guys continue to get work by telling your clients
what they can and can't do based on your preferences then god speed but I
make my money on doing what my clients want in a secure and WORKING fashion.

Exchange would work fine for them. Absolutely! They don't want it. It's
really that simple. Things are working 100% as is. I did a little relay
action with fax notifications. That's the only squirly thing I had to setup
to accommodate their wants versus their setup. I'm able to make things work.
I just wondered if I could take the relay out.

I have no idea what all the squablling about how I'm some shmuck of an IT
with a terrible OP question and how Exchange is god. Not a single point that
was made was even close to handling the issue in any professional manner.


"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> That's right there was the SBS without exchange etc.
> That would been even cheaper for those that didn't want exchange.
> (I forget what it was called.)
>
> Russ
>
> --
> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news522EDF2-A330-4B7E-9186-79DF4A19116F@newsgroup

> > Yes I Understand the #$#@$ Reason
> > And I blame Fly by night IT consultants for most of that.
> > (Who seem cheap but cost you money in the long run.)
> >
> > But once you have it, and has all this cool stuff
> > Why not take a couple of mins to do it correct?
> >
> > and Managing Exchange in SBS is Piece of Cake.
> > Just use the wizards....
> >
> > My Point is you have a Wonderful tool for small businesess
> > not making use of a Tool that can make you MORE productive
> > spend less time, and as we all know time=money....
> >
> > to me it's a No brainer, use tools...
> > Howerver if you never used the POP3 connector you'd do your self a big
> > favor.
> > This transition tool is worthless IMO if you know what you are doing.
> >
> > To me this is like buying a Ferrari because you like to sit in the seat
> > and pretend to drive...
> > Sure it cost money to run it, but you will have a lot of fun using it!
> >
> > I'm still under the impression if you are going to do something
> > why not do it right?
> > Half Assed (Pardon me) just cost you more money in the long run...
> >
> > The OP has a great Solution SBS
> > However he's scrambling around to find OTHER solutions
> > when the Solution he has is in front of him.
> >
> > I think he should Consult.
> > Tell them how much this OTHER solution is costing
> > VS the EASY Other Solutions...
> > COSTING MORE MONEY/TIME/Billed Hours!
> >
> > Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it cost less in the long
> > run...
> > As a consultant, that's our job to explain the total cost.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> > Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> > Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
> >
> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > news:#fvXwqUyKHA.3408@newsgroup

> >> The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'
> >>
> >> The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
> >> exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is no
> >> delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as well.
> >>
> >> It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then
> >> along comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.
> >>
> >> The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'. Guess
> >> what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.
> >>
> >> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
> >> news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup
> >>>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
> >>> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
> >>> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again
> >>> for another?
> >>>
> >>> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
> >>> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
> >>>
> >>> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
> >>> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
> >>>
> >>> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose
> >>> to use it
> >>> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
> >>>
> >>> Russ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> >>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> >>> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
> >>>
> >>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> >>> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup
> >>>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the
> >>>> fax submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted
> >>>> document in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
> >>>>
> >>>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
> >>>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup
> >>>>> Hi Robert:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why
> >>>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
> >>>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Larry
> >>>>> Please post the resolution to your
> >>>>> issue so others may benefit
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
> >>>>> www.sbsbpa.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
> >>>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
> >>>>>> from the SBS server IP.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
> >>>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
> >>>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
> >>>>>> handle the forwards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
> >>>>>> more?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>

My comments weren't directed at you
but at people who refused to embrace
what SBS has to offer.

The result is your post
You have to find a solution where a solution shouldn't be needed to be
found.

Thus this CHEAPER solution was not cheaper because you have to spend time on
it.
No exchange is not a god.
Nor will it ever be a god. IMO

It's just feel Exchange is simple that's all.
(I think people get too worked up over it.)
Just my Opinion anyway!
and I like Simple!

To me, Exchange means Less billable hours that's all....
I'm all for reducing the cost to the client, which is why I like SBS to
begin with.
Sorry if you were offended...
Russ

--
Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz

"robertclemens" <robertclemens@newsgroup> wrote in message
news:408C2475-F108-4662-9D6D-0210B4F87DA3@newsgroup

> Pretty much a useless threat of you *must* use Exchange and bash the OP
> (me) .
>
> Yes I have the solution working without Exchange. Yes I know how to admin
> Exchange. The difference is I know when to use it and when not to and
> don't
> have to use the *force* hammer on pretending it is the best for all
> circumstances.
>
> The point is moot. I refuse to continue this. I asked a simple question.
> The answer could have been a simple "no".
>
> I *am* forwarding fax notifications via smtp. It is working. I was
> wondering
> if Microsoft in its "infinite" glory had established other manners of
> routing.
>
> Now aside from all that. I *did not* set this server up for the clients in
> question. They *absolutely* do not want to use Exchange because of the
> many
> problems the have had with it in the past from other IT administrators. Is
> it
> *REALLY* my place to force them to use it if they are dead-set on not
> using
> it? Absolutely not! If you guys continue to get work by telling your
> clients
> what they can and can't do based on your preferences then god speed but I
> make my money on doing what my clients want in a secure and WORKING
> fashion.
>
> Exchange would work fine for them. Absolutely! They don't want it. It's
> really that simple. Things are working 100% as is. I did a little relay
> action with fax notifications. That's the only squirly thing I had to
> setup
> to accommodate their wants versus their setup. I'm able to make things
> work.
> I just wondered if I could take the relay out.
>
> I have no idea what all the squablling about how I'm some shmuck of an IT
> with a terrible OP question and how Exchange is god. Not a single point
> that
> was made was even close to handling the issue in any professional manner.
>
>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>

>> That's right there was the SBS without exchange etc.
>> That would been even cheaper for those that didn't want exchange.
>> (I forget what it was called.)
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> --
>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
>> Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
>>
>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> news522EDF2-A330-4B7E-9186-79DF4A19116F@newsgroup

>> > Yes I Understand the #$#@$ Reason
>> > And I blame Fly by night IT consultants for most of that.
>> > (Who seem cheap but cost you money in the long run.)
>> >
>> > But once you have it, and has all this cool stuff
>> > Why not take a couple of mins to do it correct?
>> >
>> > and Managing Exchange in SBS is Piece of Cake.
>> > Just use the wizards....
>> >
>> > My Point is you have a Wonderful tool for small businesess
>> > not making use of a Tool that can make you MORE productive
>> > spend less time, and as we all know time=money....
>> >
>> > to me it's a No brainer, use tools...
>> > Howerver if you never used the POP3 connector you'd do your self a big
>> > favor.
>> > This transition tool is worthless IMO if you know what you are doing.
>> >
>> > To me this is like buying a Ferrari because you like to sit in the seat
>> > and pretend to drive...
>> > Sure it cost money to run it, but you will have a lot of fun using it!
>> >
>> > I'm still under the impression if you are going to do something
>> > why not do it right?
>> > Half Assed (Pardon me) just cost you more money in the long run...
>> >
>> > The OP has a great Solution SBS
>> > However he's scrambling around to find OTHER solutions
>> > when the Solution he has is in front of him.
>> >
>> > I think he should Consult.
>> > Tell them how much this OTHER solution is costing
>> > VS the EASY Other Solutions...
>> > COSTING MORE MONEY/TIME/Billed Hours!
>> >
>> > Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it cost less in the long
>> > run...
>> > As a consultant, that's our job to explain the total cost.
>> >
>> > Russ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
>> > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
>> > Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
>> > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
>> > Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
>> >
>> > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> > news:#fvXwqUyKHA.3408@newsgroup
>> >> The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'
>> >>
>> >> The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
>> >> exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is
>> >> no
>> >> delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as
>> >> well.
>> >>
>> >> It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then
>> >> along comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.
>> >>
>> >> The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'.
>> >> Guess
>> >> what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.
>> >>
>> >> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup
>> >>>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
>> >>> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
>> >>> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again
>> >>> for another?
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
>> >>> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
>> >>>
>> >>> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
>> >>> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
>> >>>
>> >>> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't
>> >>> choose
>> >>> to use it
>> >>> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
>> >>>
>> >>> Russ
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
>> >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
>> >>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
>> >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
>> >>> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
>> >>>
>> >>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
>> >>> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup
>> >>>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> fax submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted
>> >>>> document in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
>> >>>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup
>> >>>>> Hi Robert:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS,
>> >>>>> why
>> >>>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
>> >>>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server
>> >>>>> Foundation?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> Larry
>> >>>>> Please post the resolution to your
>> >>>>> issue so others may benefit
>> >>>>> -
>> >>>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
>> >>>>> www.sbsbpa.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move
>> >>>>>> from
>> >>>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
>> >>>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
>> >>>>>> from the SBS server IP.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate
>> >>>>>> credentials
>> >>>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> handle the forwards.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
>> >>>>>> more?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>

s/threat/thread at the beginning of the last post.

Also of note is that they do actually use a lot of SBS features.
They also use AD and GP for quite a few things. The only thing
*they* wanted was to ditch Exchange.

I'm okay with that because it's not necessary. They are happy as a clam
without it. I even told them I could get it working appropriately but they
opted not to pursue that.

Russ: I appreciate that you think you are attempting to help and I would
happily accept advice on the matter but your non-professional ranting on how
"fly by night" administrators (jab at me? in any case you'd be wrong) or
"half assed" (another jab?) solutions are the demise of all IT consulting..
etc..etc.

Just irritates me that with no facts or basis or even general understanding
you are so willing to lay out a plan that everyone must follow regardless of
the circumstances. I like SBS and I get to use it on a semi-regular basis but
administer larger networks/servers on a more regular basis. I currently have
large Exchange 2003 servers running a muck on some email and they are working
darn well.

I think jabbing back at you would be most unprofessional of myself and I do
not think ill of you but would rather you forgo the bashing and off-topic
ranting. Like I said previously. I'd happily accept any advice from you or
anyone for that matter.

Also worthy of note is that I'd like to keep this client. They tend to pay
well and are a pretty good group to work for. I don't think forcing them into
Exchange would be the best of ideas.

Mainly wanted to fix my typo at the beginning of my last post and try to
keep "clearing the air". I don't know if this is business as usual on here
for Microsoft help but it's not a fresh start.

"robertclemens" wrote:

> Pretty much a useless threat of you *must* use Exchange and bash the OP (me) .
>
> Yes I have the solution working without Exchange. Yes I know how to admin
> Exchange. The difference is I know when to use it and when not to and don't
> have to use the *force* hammer on pretending it is the best for all
> circumstances.
>
> The point is moot. I refuse to continue this. I asked a simple question.
> The answer could have been a simple "no".
>
> I *am* forwarding fax notifications via smtp. It is working. I was wondering
> if Microsoft in its "infinite" glory had established other manners of routing.
>
> Now aside from all that. I *did not* set this server up for the clients in
> question. They *absolutely* do not want to use Exchange because of the many
> problems the have had with it in the past from other IT administrators. Is it
> *REALLY* my place to force them to use it if they are dead-set on not using
> it? Absolutely not! If you guys continue to get work by telling your clients
> what they can and can't do based on your preferences then god speed but I
> make my money on doing what my clients want in a secure and WORKING fashion.
>
> Exchange would work fine for them. Absolutely! They don't want it. It's
> really that simple. Things are working 100% as is. I did a little relay
> action with fax notifications. That's the only squirly thing I had to setup
> to accommodate their wants versus their setup. I'm able to make things work.
> I just wondered if I could take the relay out.
>
> I have no idea what all the squablling about how I'm some shmuck of an IT
> with a terrible OP question and how Exchange is god. Not a single point that
> was made was even close to handling the issue in any professional manner.
>
>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>

> > That's right there was the SBS without exchange etc.
> > That would been even cheaper for those that didn't want exchange.
> > (I forget what it was called.)
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > --
> > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> > Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> > Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
> >
> > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > news522EDF2-A330-4B7E-9186-79DF4A19116F@newsgroup

> > > Yes I Understand the #$#@$ Reason
> > > And I blame Fly by night IT consultants for most of that.
> > > (Who seem cheap but cost you money in the long run.)
> > >
> > > But once you have it, and has all this cool stuff
> > > Why not take a couple of mins to do it correct?
> > >
> > > and Managing Exchange in SBS is Piece of Cake.
> > > Just use the wizards....
> > >
> > > My Point is you have a Wonderful tool for small businesess
> > > not making use of a Tool that can make you MORE productive
> > > spend less time, and as we all know time=money....
> > >
> > > to me it's a No brainer, use tools...
> > > Howerver if you never used the POP3 connector you'd do your self a big
> > > favor.
> > > This transition tool is worthless IMO if you know what you are doing.
> > >
> > > To me this is like buying a Ferrari because you like to sit in the seat
> > > and pretend to drive...
> > > Sure it cost money to run it, but you will have a lot of fun using it!
> > >
> > > I'm still under the impression if you are going to do something
> > > why not do it right?
> > > Half Assed (Pardon me) just cost you more money in the long run...
> > >
> > > The OP has a great Solution SBS
> > > However he's scrambling around to find OTHER solutions
> > > when the Solution he has is in front of him.
> > >
> > > I think he should Consult.
> > > Tell them how much this OTHER solution is costing
> > > VS the EASY Other Solutions...
> > > COSTING MORE MONEY/TIME/Billed Hours!
> > >
> > > Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it cost less in the long
> > > run...
> > > As a consultant, that's our job to explain the total cost.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> > > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> > > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> > > Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> > > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> > > Twitter http://www.twitter.com/SBITSdotBiz
> > >
> > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > > news:#fvXwqUyKHA.3408@newsgroup
> > >> The reasoning is simple Russ. 'I get a cheap copy of Windows server'
> > >>
> > >> The madness is to then try and implement SBS in nonstandard manner. No
> > >> exchange, so OK, you don't want Exchnage, but that also means there is no
> > >> delivery mechanism for SBSFax and SBSMonitoring, throw those out as well.
> > >>
> > >> It is specifically the 'intergration', the glue, which suffers. Then
> > >> along comes a patch expecting the whole to be intact... more trouble.
> > >>
> > >> The other aspect I don't get is 'I do not wish to manage Exchange'. Guess
> > >> what? Neither do I, and in fact I (mostly) don't.
> > >>
> > >> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > >> news:ORplufUyKHA.5940@newsgroup
> > >>>I always wonder why people buy SBS and not use the Exchange?
> > >>> It's like they think it's mystical and magical unicorn or something?
> > >>> Especially since they have paid for a solution, and wish to pay again
> > >>> for another?
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway along with not wanting to use the best features of SBS
> > >>> I think Gumby is correct I believe it drops it into pickup folder
> > >>>
> > >>> Solution IMO would be use SBS like it's meant to be
> > >>> or go to Fax.com or some other fax solution...
> > >>>
> > >>> It's too bad you've spent money on a wonderful product and don't choose
> > >>> to use it
> > >>> Now you have to spend MORE money on another solution...
> > >>>
> > >>> Russ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> > >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> > >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz
> > >>> Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com
> > >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com
> > >>> http://www.twitter.com/RussellGrover
> > >>>
> > >>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > >>> news:#4IC2UUyKHA.1548@newsgroup
> > >>>> there is nowhere to adjust the fax submission credentials because the
> > >>>> fax submission process does not use SMTP, SBSFax drops a formatted
> > >>>> document in the Exchange pickup folder. (I believe)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@newsgroup-wizards.com> wrote in
> > >>>> message news:4e683515daa08cc973645e2bacc@newsgroup
> > >>>>> Hi Robert:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Where are you looking for the appropriate credentials?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Since you are opting not to use any/the best the features of SBS, why
> > >>>>> not kill it off and either use a workgroup with no AD, or a basic
> > >>>>> Windows Server, or, if 15 or fewer users, Windows Server Foundation?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>>> Larry
> > >>>>> Please post the resolution to your
> > >>>>> issue so others may benefit
> > >>>>> -
> > >>>>> Get Your SBS Health Check at
> > >>>>> www.sbsbpa.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I am currently running SBS for a business. They had opted to move
> > >>>>>> from
> > >>>>>> their Exchange setup to Google Apps.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Fax notifications are currently being sent through a remote SMTP
> > >>>>>> server I have setup (specifically running qmail) to allow relaying
> > >>>>>> from the SBS server IP.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would like to abandon this setup and forward Fax Notifications to
> > >>>>>> the gmail server directly but do not see the appropriate credentials
> > >>>>>> to allow me to connect via secure SMTP.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm also trying to avoid running Exchange or a mail sever locally to
> > >>>>>> handle the forwards.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Any help to eliminate some of my dependencies without creating any
> > >>>>>> more?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>