If I might chime in here....
I am a former MVP (a few years ago when I had a lot more time to partake in
the news groups). I spent a lot of time in here and helped a lot of people
and learned a lot from everyone...MVPs and non-MVPs alike. There are lots
of ways to skin a cat, as it were.
Anyway, right off the bat I would like to make very clear that the MVPs are
doing this in their free time. There is no compensation at all from
Microsoft (other than access to some really cool things and trips to the
Redmond campus....never made it there because my wife was pregnant both
years). These MS forums are public and are right up at the top of the list
as far as I am concerned. I used to spend a lot of time in the AD and GPO
and Exchange Admin news groups. Top notch places. There should be no
expectation (and I use that word very specifically) of immediate help or of
useful help. Do not assume that what you receive in the way of advise is
accurate for your specific environment | issue. If you have a really
serious issue then please contact MS - PSS. If you do that then having
those expectations (not saying that YOU have those expectations....just
saying) is completely within reason.
Paul is one of the good guys. He helps a lot of people, does a lot of great
work - in and out of the new groups - and is always willing to share his
knowledge and ideas and insight. If Paul states that you could get fired
for doing what you are doing then I might respectfully suggest that you take
a step back and evaluate what it is that Paul is saying and look at why he
is saying it.
For you to attack Paul the way you did is really uncalled for and not cool
at all. Paul would not ever say this - so I will: you really need to
rethink your personal attack on him and make that right. But, that is
between you and Paul.
It is not easy knowing what is happening in an environment. It is not easy
knowing what the thought process is of the person making a post. I can tell
you that there is a lot of crappola out there. I see it every day. The
clients that we take over from other IT Consultants and in-house IT staff
are seriously messed up. There is - I can assure you - a lot of that out
there. I just shake my head (actually, most of the time) when we take over
a new client. Absolutely incredible what people do. There are also
different levels of 'competency'. So, what I am saying is that no one in
this forum knows your skill set level and how you do things (I know - and I
speak for myself - that I do things a very specific way...which is very very
very different from all of my colleagues...if I have done something at one
of our clients EVERYONE at my company knows who did it!). It is prudent to
ask questions (which - as Phillip stated - often pi$$es off people).
Remember, it is sometimes rather difficult to help with an issue where we
have never seen the environment, can not touch the environment and can
simply go on "what I know".
Ace also initiated contact with you and suggested that you reconsider what
you are doing. Ace is also one of the good guys. Now, from what I can
see - there was no mention of a test domain (which, btw, is *EXACTLY* the
correct way to do things....so, megekudos there). I do not want to speak
for either Paul or Ace, but I can only ass/u/me that the thought process was
that this was in a production environment. It is my opinion that anyone who
intentionally learns / tests / plays in a production environment ought to be
fired. Granted, no one knows everything so that is sometimes necessary
Anyway, if you would like or need help I will gladly assist you.
"Robert Jacobs" <robertjacobsit@newsgroup> wrote in message
On Jan 21, 12:31 pm, "Phillip Windell" <philwind...@newsgroup>
> "Robert Jacobs" <robertjacob...@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > help. Thank goodness you put all of your fancy certifications (Mr.
> > Early Achiever) to good use, by not asking any follow up questions, or
> > asking the nature of this project before telling me ....
> We make just as many people mad by asking those "follow up questions"
> because people have no patients and want an instant answer without giving
> everyone the details they need to make such an answer possible.
> So from our position it is a "no win situation". Someone is going to get
> ticked off no matter how we approach it.
> Phillip Windell [not an MVP, MCSE or anything else,...the CCNA is expired]
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
However Paul decided to not ask any questions, as well as not answer
any questions - only to tell me I'm doing everything wrong. On top of
that, AFTER I informed him that the problem I'm running into is on a
test domain, and will (when implemented into our enterprise domain)
have completely different user accounts with practically no
permissions to company data or other company computers, he still
decided to tell me I'm risking my company's assets - and I still have
yet to hear one piece of advice on how to resolve my group policy
It has nothing to do with a popular or correct answer. The simple
fact is that the specialized software that is running on this computer
REQUIRES a user to be logged in at all times, REQUIRES access to only
specific folders (which WILL BE USED, NOT A DOMAIN ADMIN LIKE IN THE
TEEESSSSTTT DOMAIN), and requires other users to use the software
directly from the machine without needing the username/password of the
specialized NON ADMIN account (therefore screen shouldn't lock).
However, the Group Policy changes are not being implemented on the
computer... I'm trying to resolve this on my TEST DOMAIN before
implementing it with different accounts and permissions on my
enterprise domain - but all I hear is I should be fired. Thanks again.