Backup with Paragon 10.1

simono

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Hi... just a Q: I'm looking and my Paragon backup screen and am hesitating, and not sure if what I'm looking at is the route I should go? Here's what I see:
Backup Scenarios: Backing up a hard disk or partition to external media (CD/DVD)

Would this be sufficient?
 

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Exactly what are you trying to do? Sufficient for what?

Ed
 

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Hi Ed, I just saw your reply and I thank you. Also, I'm sorry for not explaining myself very well.... have to work-on that one!
The thing is is that I've never done a backup before.... I tried once with what I'm using now (Vista Home Basic) but I think it only backed up the folders because all it used was one dvd. I read about the folder thing somewhere. Anyway, I downloaded Paragon, and it gave me a few choices... I could backup just C:drive, or C: and D: together, or a few other options that I can't remember without it up but, Here's the deal... I went ahead a made a backup of C:drive which took 4-1/2 dvd's. I'm not sure if I'm suppose to make a rebootable disk, and is D: safe? because I noticed it's a locked file. Or will it be lost if the unthinkable happens.

Thanks again and hope you can shine some light on this for me.

Todd
 

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Yes, you should be safe backing up your C: drive to DVD's, but they must be bootable - see Restoring a system partition from external media (CD/DVD) in your User Manual. You'd be better off using an external hard drive, or another internal hard drive, but your choice.

What's on your D: drive? Recovery partition?

To give me a better idea, could you run MSInfo (Start > All Programs >Accessories > System Tools > System Information)? Click on File and Export to a text file. Upload with your reply - see Vista Forums - FAQ: Reading and Posting Messages). Wouldn't hurt to review the rest of the FAQ while you're waiting for a reply.

Ed
 

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Ed, I have done as you have requested and followed the steps to upload my system Info. I keep some little utility programs on the free space left on D: I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. My thinking was... keep C:drive as free as possible sense I hardly use most of these, and it was a good place to stash them. I guess I never covered that area with a backup though....
I lost my on computer manual for the Emachine I have after a crash. I sense have went to their site and either downloaded it or made a link to it... I have to look. I had to do a full system restore from the disk that came with the unit but lost all factory goodies, which was a bummer.
Anyway, I will read and wait for your reply, Thank you Ed....

Todd
 

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Hi Simomo,

You've got lots of free space on C, but you're running out on D. I'd suggest you do the following, assuming you don't wnat to get an external drive to backup to (You'll need partition managing software like the free File not found - EASEUS Partition Manager Site

Reduce the size of the C partition to, say, 70GB.

Move the D partition to be adjacent to C and increase it to, say, 30GB.

Leave the rest of the drive as free space and use it for Paragon's "Backup Capsule".

Make sure you create the Paragon recovery disk(s).

Create the Backup Capsule and make it bootable.

Backup your C drive to the Backup Capsule regularly (say, weekly).

Backup your C drive to DVD's monthly (bootable).

Backup your D drive to DVD's monthly, or more often if you don't want to risk losing a month's worth of data.

Hope this helps.

Ed
 

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Ok Ed, I've downloaded partition manager/master free addition and I would like to take your advice on resizing. Although, I am unfamiliar with the whole shah-bang and do not understand the moving of D partition to be adjacent to C? Also is the rest of the free space left from the resizing, a new separate partition that will need a letter?

I will also have to read-up on creating a "back-up capsule." Thanks for working with me and you do have a willing subject here that wants to learn :shock: Ok... I'm off to read and if you think of anything..... I'll be here.

Todd
 

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Ok Ed, I have followed Partition manager's steps and have successfully re-sized C: to 70GB and D: to 30GB. I now have 49GB of free space and I'm guessing here but, you want me to keep it as unallocated so I can drop a capsule there.... A? I'm going back to reading deeper into the finer art, of creating a "backup capsule" in Paragon... lol

Todd
 

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Ok... now I'm stuck! I just can't seem to find the steps in Paragon, to create a "backup capsule." I believe it's there.... but I think I'm looking for a specific, laid-out scenario, using specific words. I might be a little excited because I'm finally getting this system covered. I think I'll try again later....
 

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Ok... now I'm stuck! I just can't seem to find the steps in Paragon, to create a "backup capsule." I believe it's there.... but I think I'm looking for a specific, laid-out scenario, using specific words. I might be a little excited because I'm finally getting this system covered. I think I'll try again later....

I wouldn't be too anxious to create a backup capsule using Paragon on Vista. I've had it hose my partition table on 2 different machines on 2 different versions of Vista. The way to go is back up to a USB external drive or a USB docking station with a Sata drive in it. It's well worth the investment.

If you get hit with a really nasty virus it's going to hose your ability to boot anyway. It's best to make the boot CD and have the backup image on an external drive. The docking station is even better because you can easily swap the drives out. You then always have a backup that's not connected to the machine(in case the virus infects your backups.)

You can do the backup to USB with Paragon, Macrium or other software. The backup capsule thing seems convenient and I used it on an XP machine, but Vista and later I wouldn't do it(plus I have XP backups on external drives also. I didn't just depend on the capsule.)
 

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Hi Simono,

I don't use Paragon, so I can't comment on MilesAhead's experience, although I agree with his recommendation of using an external drive, as you know.

If you're still looking for the Backup Capsule procedures, they start on the first page of the Typical Scenarios section of the User Guide.

Ed
 

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MilesAhead and Ed, Yes... I can see the importance of an external drive, simply because it's out of harms way. And my quest now is to look into purchasing one. I have made backup dvds of C: with bootable disk,( is that all I need for this?) and would now ask which device would be suitable for this next task. I'm not sure what I'm looking for....

With the extra free space I now have.... can I create an extra partition with letter?
 

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MilesAhead and Ed, Yes... I can see the importance of an external drive, simply because it's out of harms way. And my quest now is to look into purchasing one. I have made backup dvds of C: with bootable disk,( is that all I need for this?) and would now ask which device would be suitable for this next task. I'm not sure what I'm looking for....

With the extra free space I now have.... can I create an extra partition with letter?

Not sure what you mean by "next task". Backing up D?

Again, DVD's (non-bootable) or external drive (same one as for C).

Yes, you can certainly create another partition, or simply expand the space used by D: if you want.

Ed
 

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Thanks for your response Ed, Because I do not know, and assume things, let me explain what I think an external drive is: is it a separate device/unit that is attached by a cord you have plugged into your pc? Then you load your C: and D: drives onto it.

And yes, I do want to backup D:. Because, shouldn't you backup everything... and because I have those little programs there. With all this partition stretching, I can probably relocate them....lol.

And please forgive my ignorance... I think you meant this, in this statement you wrote: "Again, DVD's (non-bootable) or external drive (same one as for C)."
That you have no way of booting-up your pc with just backup DVD's unless you made them bootable? I have made a boot disk from paragon... will that allow me to boot-up my pc, then load the backup DVD's?
And,I'm not sure but are you saying: "or external drive" this too can not boot your pc by it self.... and if so.. a boot disk is needed here too?

Sorry Ed but, maybe a full explanation is needed here. that's if you feel like typing... or better yet, I'm going to do some reserch on all of this...
 

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:D

yes, an external drive will connect to your PC by a cable from the drive to one of your USB ports.

Yes, you should backup everything.

I have made a boot disk from paragon... will that allow me to boot-up my pc, then load the backup DVD's?

No, you only use the recovery disks when your backups are on a hard drive (internal or external).

When you're backing up to DVD's, the boot record has to be on, at least, the first DVD in case your system disk fails for any reason.

You can either backup the whole disk or each partition separately. Obviously, backing up the whole disk takes longer than each partition, but, you'd only want to back them up separately if you want to backup one of them more frequently than the other. It's up to you. Forget my previous comment about making the D backup disks non-boootable; my bad.

In the CD/DVD recording options, you should leave the Bootable ISO image to the default, and set the CD/DVD boot capability to boot from any CD or DVD; this will write a boot record at the beginning of each of the backup DVD's so that you can boot from any of them to start a recovery process. See Restoring a system partition from external media (CD/DVD).

or better yet, I'm going to do some research on all of this...

Exactly, Simono, unless you've got some specific things that are unclear, please read through the whole manual to ensure you understand the principles.

Ed
 

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Well, I hope that the DVDs of C: I made had the proper settings before-hand, (boot from any CD or DVD) But if not... oh well. I'm going to read everything I can and become "king" of backup...lol. I always try to look at things with some humor.

Thank you very much Ed for you patience with me. If I have some specific questions after I read-up on all of this, can I just post them here? will you check from time-to-time? Hope so...
 

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Absolutely; we'll be here.

You can check the settings you used by going to the CD/DVD recording options. It doesn't need to say boot from any CD or DVD; boot from first CD/DVD is fine; the other's just more convenient. But, if the Bootable ISO image doesn't show an address, reset to the default and backup your system again.

Ed
 

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    NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS 512MB
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