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Old 09-12-2009   #1 (permalink)
theNugget2009


 
 

Slow Performance - Maintainence

Hi All

We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Workstations
on our network.

Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they have
been around for a number of years.

What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run
automatically, say every month.

For example tasks such as:
* Disk Defragmentation
* Disk Cleanup

How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for
additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript.

Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this.

Regards

D


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Old 09-12-2009   #2 (permalink)
mayayana


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

I'm not sure about automating defrag, but
that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway.
XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But
it doesn't have to be if you clean up the
unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc.
This might be one thing that could be helful
(it's free, VBScript-based):

www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5

I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better
than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default
install runs worse, even when provided with extra
RAM.
Quote:

>
> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain
Workstations
Quote:

> on our network.
>
> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they
have
Quote:

> been around for a number of years.
>
> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run
> automatically, say every month.
>
> For example tasks such as:
> * Disk Defragmentation
> * Disk Cleanup
>
> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for
> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript.
>
> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this.
>
> Regards
>
> D
>

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Old 09-12-2009   #3 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:07:25 +0100, "theNugget2009"
<davidmcnaughton_1999@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> Hi All
>
> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Workstations
> on our network.
>
> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they have
> been around for a number of years.
>
> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run
> automatically, say every month.
>
> For example tasks such as:
> * Disk Defragmentation
> * Disk Cleanup
>
> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for
> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript.
>
> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this.

Read here: "How To Schedule Tasks in Windows XP" at
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308569

However I doubt very much that running Disk Defragmentation and Disk
Cleanup will improve the performance of these computers.

I can't be sure, based on the small amount of info you've provided,
but these days the most likely cause of performance problems is that
these computers are infected with malware. What anti-virus and
anti-spyware programs do they are run? Are they kept up-to-date?

If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what
programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my
standard reply on that subject:

First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
tray.

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
google searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Old 09-12-2009   #4 (permalink)
mayayana


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

Quote:

> If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what
> programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my
> standard reply on that subject:
>
> First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
> start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
> Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
> tray.
>
> On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
> Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
> actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
> option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
> work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
> uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.
Anyone dealing with this should also know about
autoruns:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx

Written by an MS programmer, it's a clear, simple,
thorough listing of what's running at startup (other
than services), with options to toggle the setting.

The link above is for an XP+ version, but I would
guess there are still copies of a 2000-compatible
version around. (I'm using it right now on Win98.


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Old 09-12-2009   #5 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:43:17 -0400, "mayayana" <mayaXXyana@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Quote:

>
Quote:

> > If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what
> > programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my
> > standard reply on that subject:
> >
> > First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
> > start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
> > Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
> > tray.
> >
> > On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
> > Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
> > actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
> > option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
> > work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
> > uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.
>
> Anyone dealing with this should also know about
> autoruns:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx
>
> Written by an MS programmer, it's a clear, simple,
> thorough listing of what's running at startup (other
> than services), with options to toggle the setting.
>
> The link above is for an XP+ version, but I would
> guess there are still copies of a 2000-compatible
> version around. (I'm using it right now on Win98.


Yes, I'm aware of Autoruns, and I don't object to its being used.
However the reason I instead recommend MSCONFIG, is that it comes with
Windows, so everyone already has it, and it works just fine for the
purose the vast majority of time.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Old 09-12-2009   #6 (permalink)
Leonard Grey


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

"...XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness."

Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and
it's fast and reliable.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

mayayana wrote:
Quote:

> I'm not sure about automating defrag, but
> that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway.
> XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But
> it doesn't have to be if you clean up the
> unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc.
> This might be one thing that could be helful
> (it's free, VBScript-based):
>
> www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5
>
> I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better
> than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default
> install runs worse, even when provided with extra
> RAM.
>
Quote:

>> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain
> Workstations
Quote:

>> on our network.
>>
>> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they
> have
Quote:

>> been around for a number of years.
>>
>> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run
>> automatically, say every month.
>>
>> For example tasks such as:
>> * Disk Defragmentation
>> * Disk Cleanup
>>
>> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for
>> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript.
>>
>> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> D
>>
>
>
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Old 09-12-2009   #7 (permalink)
Ken Blake, MVP


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:14:00 -0400, Leonard Grey
<l.grey@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> "...XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness."
>
> Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and
> it's fast and reliable.

Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can
happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its
user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software
installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially.

Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be
blamed for the sluggishness that results from them.

Quote:

> mayayana wrote:
Quote:

> > I'm not sure about automating defrag, but
> > that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway.
> > XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But
> > it doesn't have to be if you clean up the
> > unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc.
> > This might be one thing that could be helful
> > (it's free, VBScript-based):
> >
> > www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5
> >
> > I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better
> > than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default
> > install runs worse, even when provided with extra
> > RAM.
> >
Quote:

> >> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain
> > Workstations
Quote:

> >> on our network.
> >>
> >> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they
> > have
Quote:

> >> been around for a number of years.
> >>
> >> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run
> >> automatically, say every month.
> >>
> >> For example tasks such as:
> >> * Disk Defragmentation
> >> * Disk Cleanup
> >>
> >> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for
> >> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> D
> >>
> >
> >
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Old 09-12-2009   #8 (permalink)
mayayana


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

Quote:
Quote:

> > Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and
> > it's fast and reliable.
>
>
> Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can
> happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its
> user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software
> installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially.
>
> Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be
> blamed for the sluggishness that results from them.
>
I wasn't thinking about "malware". (What is
"malware", anyway? Is it malware when an HP
printer driver installs 3 startup utilities plus
spyware? Or is it only malware when a Chinese
driveby download starts sending email from
your PC?)

XP starts
out bloated and that can be a challenge on
older hardware. Then people install various
things like software, printers, etc. These days
most of those add frivolous startup processes.
Another common cause of slowness seems to
be a large IE cache, which by default has no limit,
last time I checked. (With a high-speed connection
and people who like to watch youtube videos that
can easily result in a cache into the 100s or 1000s
of MB.)
An overly large TEMP folder seems to also
have an effect. (And on XP there can be a half
dozen TEMP folders.)

I find it's very common for friends to ask me
for help with an XP PC and it's pretty much
always slowness that they're complaining about.
A couple of weeks ago it was someone whose
PC was running in slow motion. Very slow. Slow
like taking up to a minute for a folder to open
when double-clicked. It finally turned out the
culprit was Norton AV. (Then again, I'd classify
Norton as malware, so maybe you're right.

If you run a tight ship and you're familiar
with services, as well as startup programs,
then there's no reason XP can't stay zippy.
But most people are not familiar with either of
those things. Most people have a long line of
icons in the system tray; and toolbars on their
browser; and junkware calling home for updates;
and dozens of useless services running; and
people usually have no idea those things
are there, much less how they got there.



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Old 09-12-2009   #9 (permalink)
Leonard Grey


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

"Another common cause of slowness seems to be a large IE cache, which by
default has no limit, last time I checked."

Is the size of that cache adjustable, as far as you know?
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

mayayana wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:

>>> Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and
>>> it's fast and reliable.
>>
>> Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can
>> happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its
>> user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software
>> installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially.
>>
>> Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be
>> blamed for the sluggishness that results from them.
>>
>
> I wasn't thinking about "malware". (What is
> "malware", anyway? Is it malware when an HP
> printer driver installs 3 startup utilities plus
> spyware? Or is it only malware when a Chinese
> driveby download starts sending email from
> your PC?)
>
> XP starts
> out bloated and that can be a challenge on
> older hardware. Then people install various
> things like software, printers, etc. These days
> most of those add frivolous startup processes.
> Another common cause of slowness seems to
> be a large IE cache, which by default has no limit,
> last time I checked. (With a high-speed connection
> and people who like to watch youtube videos that
> can easily result in a cache into the 100s or 1000s
> of MB.)
> An overly large TEMP folder seems to also
> have an effect. (And on XP there can be a half
> dozen TEMP folders.)
>
> I find it's very common for friends to ask me
> for help with an XP PC and it's pretty much
> always slowness that they're complaining about.
> A couple of weeks ago it was someone whose
> PC was running in slow motion. Very slow. Slow
> like taking up to a minute for a folder to open
> when double-clicked. It finally turned out the
> culprit was Norton AV. (Then again, I'd classify
> Norton as malware, so maybe you're right.
>
> If you run a tight ship and you're familiar
> with services, as well as startup programs,
> then there's no reason XP can't stay zippy.
> But most people are not familiar with either of
> those things. Most people have a long line of
> icons in the system tray; and toolbars on their
> browser; and junkware calling home for updates;
> and dozens of useless services running; and
> people usually have no idea those things
> are there, much less how they got there.
>
>
>
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Old 09-12-2009   #10 (permalink)
mayayana


 
 

Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence

> "Another common cause of slowness seems to be
Quote:

> a large IE cache, which by
> default has no limit, last time I checked."
>
> Is the size of that cache adjustable, as far as you know?
Tools -> Internet options -> Temp. Internet Files -> Settings button ->
"Amount of disk space to use" slider.

I set it to 5 MB. I've never confirmed for
sure that the limit works, but I assume it
does. The setting came to my attention
several years ago when someone using
Win98 with high-speed had a very sluggish
machine and had taken it to a tech. service
for cleaning, with no improvement. In the
course of looking around I found the IE cache
was 800MB! After cleaning that out the machine
was back to normal speed.

I don't know for sure whether the same trouble
can happen on XP. XP doesn't have folder "webview",
so Explorer isn't so closely tied to IE. On Active
Desktop systems (pre-XP) there's an actual IE
browser window in each folder window hierarchy.
It's not hard to see how keeping track of a giant
cache might slow down Explorer in that case. So
the problem may or may not apply to XP. But I figure
that the IE cache is always worth checking into,
anyway. It's an easy thing to do. (Another odd thing
I've noticed -- I don't remember the Windows versions
offhand -- is that one sometimes has to go through
the steps of clearing the cache twice in order to
actually clear it out.)


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