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| | Slow Performance - Maintainence Hi All We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Workstations on our network. Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they have been around for a number of years. What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run automatically, say every month. For example tasks such as: * Disk Defragmentation * Disk Cleanup How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript. Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this. Regards D |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence I'm not sure about automating defrag, but that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway. XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But it doesn't have to be if you clean up the unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc. This might be one thing that could be helful (it's free, VBScript-based): www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default install runs worse, even when provided with extra RAM. Quote: > > We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Quote: > on our network. > > Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they Quote: > been around for a number of years. > > What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run > automatically, say every month. > > For example tasks such as: > * Disk Defragmentation > * Disk Cleanup > > How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for > additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript. > > Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this. > > Regards > > D > |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:07:25 +0100, "theNugget2009" <davidmcnaughton_1999@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > Hi All > > We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Workstations > on our network. > > Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they have > been around for a number of years. > > What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run > automatically, say every month. > > For example tasks such as: > * Disk Defragmentation > * Disk Cleanup > > How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for > additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript. > > Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this. Read here: "How To Schedule Tasks in Windows XP" at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308569 However I doubt very much that running Disk Defragmentation and Disk Cleanup will improve the performance of these computers. I can't be sure, based on the small amount of info you've provided, but these days the most likely cause of performance problems is that these computers are infected with malware. What anti-virus and anti-spyware programs do they are run? Are they kept up-to-date? If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my standard reply on that subject: First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray. Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the tray. On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon" option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab, uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically. However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but others have no effect on performance. Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try google searches and ask about specifics here. Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence Quote: > If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what > programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my > standard reply on that subject: > > First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that > start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray. > Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the > tray. > > On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its > Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you > actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon" > option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't > work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab, > uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically. autoruns: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx Written by an MS programmer, it's a clear, simple, thorough listing of what's running at startup (other than services), with options to toggle the setting. The link above is for an XP+ version, but I would guess there are still copies of a 2000-compatible version around. (I'm using it right now on Win98. ![]() |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:43:17 -0400, "mayayana" <mayaXXyana@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > Quote: > > If the problem isn't malware, then the next most likely cause is what > > programs start automatically and run in the background. Here's my > > standard reply on that subject: > > > > First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that > > start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray. > > Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the > > tray. > > > > On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its > > Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you > > actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon" > > option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't > > work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab, > > uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically. > Anyone dealing with this should also know about > autoruns: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx > > Written by an MS programmer, it's a clear, simple, > thorough listing of what's running at startup (other > than services), with options to toggle the setting. > > The link above is for an XP+ version, but I would > guess there are still copies of a 2000-compatible > version around. (I'm using it right now on Win98. ![]() Yes, I'm aware of Autoruns, and I don't object to its being used. However the reason I instead recommend MSCONFIG, is that it comes with Windows, so everyone already has it, and it works just fine for the purose the vast majority of time. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence "...XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness." Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and it's fast and reliable. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est mayayana wrote: Quote: > I'm not sure about automating defrag, but > that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway. > XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But > it doesn't have to be if you clean up the > unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc. > This might be one thing that could be helful > (it's free, VBScript-based): > > www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 > > I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better > than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default > install runs worse, even when provided with extra > RAM. > Quote: >> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Quote: >> on our network. >> >> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they Quote: >> been around for a number of years. >> >> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run >> automatically, say every month. >> >> For example tasks such as: >> * Disk Defragmentation >> * Disk Cleanup >> >> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for >> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript. >> >> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this. >> >> Regards >> >> D >> > |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:14:00 -0400, Leonard Grey <l.grey@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > "...XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness." > > Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and > it's fast and reliable. Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially. Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be blamed for the sluggishness that results from them. Quote: > mayayana wrote: Quote: > > I'm not sure about automating defrag, but > > that's unlikely to have an effect, anyway. > > XP, especially, is prone to sluggishness. But > > it doesn't have to be if you clean up the > > unnecessary services, limit IE's cache, etc. > > This might be one thing that could be helful > > (it's free, VBScript-based): > > > > www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5 > > > > I find that once XP is cleaned up it runs better > > than Win9x on the same hardware. But a default > > install runs worse, even when provided with extra > > RAM. > > Quote: > >> We have a mixture of Windows 200 SP4 and Windows XP SP3 Domain Quote: > >> on our network. > >> > >> Currently a lot of them are experiencing slow performance because they Quote: > >> been around for a number of years. > >> > >> What i would like to be able to do is to schedule tasks that can run > >> automatically, say every month. > >> > >> For example tasks such as: > >> * Disk Defragmentation > >> * Disk Cleanup > >> > >> How can I automate these tasks, we do not have the money to pay for > >> additional tools, but ideally script via VBScript. > >> > >> Does anybody have thoughts or ideas about this. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> D > >> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence Quote: Quote: > > Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and > > it's fast and reliable. > > Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can > happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its > user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software > installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially. > > Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be > blamed for the sluggishness that results from them. > "malware", anyway? Is it malware when an HP printer driver installs 3 startup utilities plus spyware? Or is it only malware when a Chinese driveby download starts sending email from your PC?) XP starts out bloated and that can be a challenge on older hardware. Then people install various things like software, printers, etc. These days most of those add frivolous startup processes. Another common cause of slowness seems to be a large IE cache, which by default has no limit, last time I checked. (With a high-speed connection and people who like to watch youtube videos that can easily result in a cache into the 100s or 1000s of MB.) An overly large TEMP folder seems to also have an effect. (And on XP there can be a half dozen TEMP folders.) I find it's very common for friends to ask me for help with an XP PC and it's pretty much always slowness that they're complaining about. A couple of weeks ago it was someone whose PC was running in slow motion. Very slow. Slow like taking up to a minute for a folder to open when double-clicked. It finally turned out the culprit was Norton AV. (Then again, I'd classify Norton as malware, so maybe you're right. ![]() If you run a tight ship and you're familiar with services, as well as startup programs, then there's no reason XP can't stay zippy. But most people are not familiar with either of those things. Most people have a long line of icons in the system tray; and toolbars on their browser; and junkware calling home for updates; and dozens of useless services running; and people usually have no idea those things are there, much less how they got there. |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence "Another common cause of slowness seems to be a large IE cache, which by default has no limit, last time I checked." Is the size of that cache adjustable, as far as you know? --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est mayayana wrote: Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Interesting...My copy of Windows XP is more than seven years old, and >>> it's fast and reliable. >> Same here. Software doesn't get slower as it gets older. But what can >> happen is that it gets infected with malware, and/or mistreated by its >> user (for example, with a lot of low-performance background software >> installed), and either of those things can slow it down substantially. >> >> Although both of those problems are common, Windows XP shouldn't be >> blamed for the sluggishness that results from them. >> > I wasn't thinking about "malware". (What is > "malware", anyway? Is it malware when an HP > printer driver installs 3 startup utilities plus > spyware? Or is it only malware when a Chinese > driveby download starts sending email from > your PC?) > > XP starts > out bloated and that can be a challenge on > older hardware. Then people install various > things like software, printers, etc. These days > most of those add frivolous startup processes. > Another common cause of slowness seems to > be a large IE cache, which by default has no limit, > last time I checked. (With a high-speed connection > and people who like to watch youtube videos that > can easily result in a cache into the 100s or 1000s > of MB.) > An overly large TEMP folder seems to also > have an effect. (And on XP there can be a half > dozen TEMP folders.) > > I find it's very common for friends to ask me > for help with an XP PC and it's pretty much > always slowness that they're complaining about. > A couple of weeks ago it was someone whose > PC was running in slow motion. Very slow. Slow > like taking up to a minute for a folder to open > when double-clicked. It finally turned out the > culprit was Norton AV. (Then again, I'd classify > Norton as malware, so maybe you're right. ![]() > > If you run a tight ship and you're familiar > with services, as well as startup programs, > then there's no reason XP can't stay zippy. > But most people are not familiar with either of > those things. Most people have a long line of > icons in the system tray; and toolbars on their > browser; and junkware calling home for updates; > and dozens of useless services running; and > people usually have no idea those things > are there, much less how they got there. > > > |
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| | Re: Slow Performance - Maintainence > "Another common cause of slowness seems to be Quote: > a large IE cache, which by > default has no limit, last time I checked." > > Is the size of that cache adjustable, as far as you know? "Amount of disk space to use" slider. I set it to 5 MB. I've never confirmed for sure that the limit works, but I assume it does. The setting came to my attention several years ago when someone using Win98 with high-speed had a very sluggish machine and had taken it to a tech. service for cleaning, with no improvement. In the course of looking around I found the IE cache was 800MB! After cleaning that out the machine was back to normal speed. I don't know for sure whether the same trouble can happen on XP. XP doesn't have folder "webview", so Explorer isn't so closely tied to IE. On Active Desktop systems (pre-XP) there's an actual IE browser window in each folder window hierarchy. It's not hard to see how keeping track of a giant cache might slow down Explorer in that case. So the problem may or may not apply to XP. But I figure that the IE cache is always worth checking into, anyway. It's an easy thing to do. (Another odd thing I've noticed -- I don't remember the Windows versions offhand -- is that one sometimes has to go through the steps of clearing the cache twice in order to actually clear it out.) |
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