Vista - Re: os and the concept of computer

4 Weeks Ago

On Oct 21, 7:08*pm, "mayayana" <mayaXXy...@newsgroup> wrote:

Quote:

> > How did the original post get disposed of, or am I missing something?
> > In the past in IE, I've seen posts with text indicating the original text
> > had been removed probably due to foul language, so I'm just curious as to
> > what happened here.

>
> * I see the same thing. I never have understood it.
> Microsoft's servers seem to go batty periodically,
> but what's hard to figure is how Google gets posts
> posted to msnews, but msnews doesn't have them!
>
> * Last week I had two posts dropped in the VB group
> and gave up trying to get that particular post
> through. Then the next day someone resonded to it!
>
> * Pegasus seems to be using a Swiss ISP, so apparently
> almost everyone except the hosting server (msnews)
> has the post. Like you, I'd be very interested to hear
> an explanation of how that's possible. The only thing
> I can imagine is that MS has some sort of funky spam
> filter that deletes a post after distributing it but before
> posting it. On the occasions when I really want to
> get my post through I have a script that inserts a space
> after every character. That seems to work, which seems
> to support the idea that there's a very poorly designed
> spam filter on msnews.

My *guess* is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers
and remove such spam post when they can. The propagation through
Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. But
that is just a guess.
_____________________
Tom Lavedas

4 Weeks Ago

My *guess* is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers
and remove such spam post when they can. The propagation through
Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. But
that is just a guess.

Quote:

>

That explanation seems to make the most
sense, but it doesn't work that way in
practice. I figure that any filter MS is using
has to be automated and act on posts before
they get posted. (Which is why the propagation to
Google and others is so odd.) When mine are blocked
they never appear at all on the MS server. And I can
always make them appear by adding spaces.

I remember awhile back someone tried to post
something numerous
times and failed. They finally posted something
like Chr(x) Chr(x), with directions for translating,
etc. and it got through! I translated that post at
the time and couldn't see anything that looked
even vaguely like spam text.

4 Weeks Ago

On Oct 22, 9:54*am, "mayayana" <mayaXXy...@newsgroup> wrote:

Quote:

> My *guess* is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers
> and remove such spam post when they can. *The propagation through
> Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. *But
> that is just a guess.
>
>
>
> * *That explanation seems to make the most
> sense, but it doesn't work that way in
> practice. I figure that any filter MS is using
> has to be automated and act on posts before
> they get posted. (Which is why the propagation to
> Google and others is so odd.) When mine are blocked
> they never appear at all on the MS server. And I can
> always make them appear by adding spaces.
>
> * *I remember awhile back someone tried to post
> something numerous
> times and failed. They finally posted something
> like Chr(x) Chr(x), with directions for translating,
> etc. and it got through! I translated that post at
> the time and couldn't see anything that looked
> even vaguely like spam text.

Right. However, when a new ploy allows spam to breach the filter,
there must be some QA process that allows the filters to be adapted.
Until that happens, the spam would either appear or need to be removed
manually or targeted individually.
_____________________
Tom Lavedas

4 Weeks Ago

Right. However, when a new ploy allows spam to breach the filter,
there must be some QA process that allows the filters to be adapted.
Until that happens, the spam would either appear or need to be removed
manually or targeted individually.

Quote:

>

Sorry. I see what you're saying now. You
were actually responding to Paul Randall's
question rather than mine. I was talking
about a variation of the same problem.

I can understand
how MS might go around cleaning up after
the fact. What I don't get is how I can
send a post that never makes it through at
all. Two minutes later it's not there. Five
minutes later it's not there. It never arrives.
Nobody cleaned it up. It was blocked. (And
it probably didn't contain any suspicious text
to trigger a spam filter.) Yet it's on Google
despite the fact that I sent it directly to
msnews! That's not a fluke occurence. It
happens in peridoic spates.

4 Weeks Ago	#1 (permalink)
Tom Lavedas n/a posts	Re: os and the concept of computer On Oct 21, 7:08pm, "mayayana" <mayaXXy...@newsgroup> wrote: Quote: Quote: > > How did the original post get disposed of, or am I missing something? > > In the past in IE, I've seen posts with text indicating the original text > > had been removed probably due to foul language, so I'm just curious as to > > what happened here. > > I see the same thing. I never have understood it. > Microsoft's servers seem to go batty periodically, > but what's hard to figure is how Google gets posts > posted to msnews, but msnews doesn't have them! > > * Last week I had two posts dropped in the VB group > and gave up trying to get that particular post > through. Then the next day someone resonded to it! > > * Pegasus seems to be using a Swiss ISP, so apparently > almost everyone except the hosting server (msnews) > has the post. Like you, I'd be very interested to hear > an explanation of how that's possible. The only thing > I can imagine is that MS has some sort of funky spam > filter that deletes a post after distributing it but before > posting it. On the occasions when I really want to > get my post through I have a script that inserts a space > after every character. That seems to work, which seems > to support the idea that there's a very poorly designed > spam filter on msnews. My guess is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers and remove such spam post when they can. The propagation through Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. But that is just a guess. _____________________ Tom Lavedas
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4 Weeks Ago	#2 (permalink)
mayayana n/a posts	Re: os and the concept of computer My guess is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers and remove such spam post when they can. The propagation through Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. But that is just a guess. Quote: > That explanation seems to make the most sense, but it doesn't work that way in practice. I figure that any filter MS is using has to be automated and act on posts before they get posted. (Which is why the propagation to Google and others is so odd.) When mine are blocked they never appear at all on the MS server. And I can always make them appear by adding spaces. I remember awhile back someone tried to post something numerous times and failed. They finally posted something like Chr(x) Chr(x), with directions for translating, etc. and it got through! I translated that post at the time and couldn't see anything that looked even vaguely like spam text.
My System Specs

4 Weeks Ago	#3 (permalink)
Tom Lavedas n/a posts	Re: os and the concept of computer On Oct 22, 9:54am, "mayayana" <mayaXXy...@newsgroup> wrote: Quote: > My guess* is that MS does some moderating in their own news servers > and remove such spam post when they can. The propagation through > Google takes longer to happen, so there is sometimes a ripple. But > that is just a guess. > > > > * That explanation seems to make the most > sense, but it doesn't work that way in > practice. I figure that any filter MS is using > has to be automated and act on posts before > they get posted. (Which is why the propagation to > Google and others is so odd.) When mine are blocked > they never appear at all on the MS server. And I can > always make them appear by adding spaces. > > *I remember awhile back someone tried to post > something numerous > times and failed. They finally posted something > like Chr(x) Chr(x), with directions for translating, > etc. and it got through! I translated that post at > the time and couldn't see anything that looked > even vaguely like spam text. Right. However, when a new ploy allows spam to breach the filter, there must be some QA process that allows the filters to be adapted. Until that happens, the spam would either appear or need to be removed manually or targeted individually. _____________________ Tom Lavedas
My System Specs

4 Weeks Ago	#4 (permalink)
mayayana n/a posts	Re: os and the concept of computer Right. However, when a new ploy allows spam to breach the filter, there must be some QA process that allows the filters to be adapted. Until that happens, the spam would either appear or need to be removed manually or targeted individually. Quote: > Sorry. I see what you're saying now. You were actually responding to Paul Randall's question rather than mine. I was talking about a variation of the same problem. I can understand how MS might go around cleaning up after the fact. What I don't get is how I can send a post that never makes it through at all. Two minutes later it's not there. Five minutes later it's not there. It never arrives. Nobody cleaned it up. It was blocked. (And it probably didn't contain any suspicious text to trigger a spam filter.) Yet it's on Google despite the fact that I sent it directly to msnews! That's not a fluke occurence. It happens in peridoic spates.
My System Specs

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