I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so hoping
someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I set
up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner) that
won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest, but
there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around or
zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB. I
don't know what else to do. This software is no longer made and I hate to
not be able to use it. I thought about using a KVM switch and keep it running
on the old box but I really don't have the room for two towers. I haven't
tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that and I'm exhaused from trying to
get this to work. About to give up...

"run4it" <run4it@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:E41765D7-9DA8-4EF3-9394-2420D851492A@xxxxxx

> I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so
> hoping
> someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I
> set
> up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner)
> that
> won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest,
> but
> there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around
> or
> zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
> old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB.
> I
> don't know what else to do.

It's important to remember that, apart from the CPU and RAM, all of the
"hardware" inside a virtual machine is emulated, and some of this emulated
hardware is not very modern, particularly the graphics card. Are you sure
that the app in question doesn't need more sophisticated graphics than are
available with the emulated S3 Trio? From your description, that sounds very
much like it could be the case, in which case, regrettably VPC isn't the
solution for you... FWIW, all other software virtualisation products (VMWare
etc) work in a similar way...

> I haven't tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that

Dual booting involves installing another operating system in a different
partition on the same machine. This partition could be on your primary hard
disk, or on a secondary hard disk. If on your primary hard disk, you'll need
to invest in a partitioning program such as Partition Magic which can
partition your disk without destroying its existing contents. Once you have
the second partition available, it's a simple matter of installing the other
operating system on it. Modern OS like XP Pro will "see" the two partitions
during installation and ask you which one it should install itself onto.
Then, at bootup time, you'll be presented with a menu asking you which OS
you want to use.

The advantage of this, in your particular case, is that it will almost
certainly allow your old app to work. The disadvantage, of course, is that
(unlike with VPC) both OS can't be running at the same time...


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

run4it wrote:

> I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so hoping
> someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I set
> up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner) that
> won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest, but
> there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around or
> zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
> old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB. I
> don't know what else to do. This software is no longer made and I hate to
> not be able to use it. I thought about using a KVM switch and keep it running
> on the old box but I really don't have the room for two towers. I haven't
> tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that and I'm exhaused from trying to
> get this to work. About to give up...

run4it:

If you want to try multi-boot, I would highly recommend a third party boot
manager like the excellent BootIt NG, rather than the Vista boot manager.

But really, any kind of multi-boot is very inconvenient if you want to use both
computers all the time (virtualization is much better in this regard).

If you want to use your old box, you do not necessarily need a KVM switch;
rather you might try remote desktop. Then you can put your old machine in some
other location, and just run an ethernet cable to it. Try it!

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

Mark - if this was a VPC hardware issue, wouldn't the GPF error happen when
accessing all the maps? Why would it only happen on one map?

"Mark Rae [MVP]" wrote:

> "run4it" <run4it@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:E41765D7-9DA8-4EF3-9394-2420D851492A@xxxxxx
>

> > I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so
> > hoping
> > someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I
> > set
> > up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner)
> > that
> > won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest,
> > but
> > there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around
> > or
> > zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
> > old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB.
> > I
> > don't know what else to do.

>
> It's important to remember that, apart from the CPU and RAM, all of the
> "hardware" inside a virtual machine is emulated, and some of this emulated
> hardware is not very modern, particularly the graphics card. Are you sure
> that the app in question doesn't need more sophisticated graphics than are
> available with the emulated S3 Trio? From your description, that sounds very
> much like it could be the case, in which case, regrettably VPC isn't the
> solution for you... FWIW, all other software virtualisation products (VMWare
> etc) work in a similar way...
>

> > I haven't tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that

>
> Dual booting involves installing another operating system in a different
> partition on the same machine. This partition could be on your primary hard
> disk, or on a secondary hard disk. If on your primary hard disk, you'll need
> to invest in a partitioning program such as Partition Magic which can
> partition your disk without destroying its existing contents. Once you have
> the second partition available, it's a simple matter of installing the other
> operating system on it. Modern OS like XP Pro will "see" the two partitions
> during installation and ask you which one it should install itself onto.
> Then, at bootup time, you'll be presented with a menu asking you which OS
> you want to use.
>
> The advantage of this, in your particular case, is that it will almost
> certainly allow your old app to work. The disadvantage, of course, is that
> (unlike with VPC) both OS can't be running at the same time...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

"run4it" <run4it@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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[top-posting corrected]

>> It's important to remember that, apart from the CPU and RAM, all of the
>> "hardware" inside a virtual machine is emulated, and some of this
>> emulated
>> hardware is not very modern, particularly the graphics card. Are you sure
>> that the app in question doesn't need more sophisticated graphics than
>> are
>> available with the emulated S3 Trio? From your description, that sounds
>> very
>> much like it could be the case, in which case, regrettably VPC isn't the
>> solution for you... FWIW, all other software virtualisation products
>> (VMWare
>> etc) work in a similar way...

> Mark - if this was a VPC hardware issue, wouldn't the GPF error happen
> when
> accessing all the maps?

I don't know - I'm not familiar with the software at all...

> Why would it only happen on one map?

Maybe the map in question is corrupt in some way...?


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

I have updated to XP SP3 and I have set the compatability mode back to
Windows 98 (which is what ChartView was written for). Still no luck. Again,
the GPF error only occurs on ONE map, all the others work fine. This error
never happened on my old box with XP Pro SP2. Can anyone figure out why this
would happen on only ONE map while on the VPC? I mean if the map data file
was corrupt wouldn't it happen on my old box too? I wonder if I have an old
copy of Windows 98 around and created a new VPC with that installed, do you
think that might work better? Is it the OS in the VPC, or the VPC itself?
It has been suggested to me by a co-worker to try VMWare instead. Any
opinions?

"David Wilkinson" wrote:

> run4it wrote:

> > I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so hoping
> > someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I set
> > up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner) that
> > won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest, but
> > there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around or
> > zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
> > old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB. I
> > don't know what else to do. This software is no longer made and I hate to
> > not be able to use it. I thought about using a KVM switch and keep it running
> > on the old box but I really don't have the room for two towers. I haven't
> > tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that and I'm exhaused from trying to
> > get this to work. About to give up...

>
> run4it:
>
> If you want to try multi-boot, I would highly recommend a third party boot
> manager like the excellent BootIt NG, rather than the Vista boot manager.
>
> But really, any kind of multi-boot is very inconvenient if you want to use both
> computers all the time (virtualization is much better in this regard).
>
> If you want to use your old box, you do not necessarily need a KVM switch;
> rather you might try remote desktop. Then you can put your old machine in some
> other location, and just run an ethernet cable to it. Try it!
>
> --
> David Wilkinson
> Visual C++ MVP
>

Go into the performance settings for the Video in your Win98 VM and
turn the acceleration down some, that might make a difference.

--
Bob Comer



On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:20:01 -0700, run4it
<run4it@xxxxxx> wrote:

>I have updated to XP SP3 and I have set the compatability mode back to
>Windows 98 (which is what ChartView was written for). Still no luck. Again,
>the GPF error only occurs on ONE map, all the others work fine. This error
>never happened on my old box with XP Pro SP2. Can anyone figure out why this
>would happen on only ONE map while on the VPC? I mean if the map data file
>was corrupt wouldn't it happen on my old box too? I wonder if I have an old
>copy of Windows 98 around and created a new VPC with that installed, do you
>think that might work better? Is it the OS in the VPC, or the VPC itself?
>It has been suggested to me by a co-worker to try VMWare instead. Any
>opinions?
>
>"David Wilkinson" wrote:
>

>> run4it wrote:

>> > I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so hoping
>> > someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I set
>> > up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner) that
>> > won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest, but
>> > there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around or
>> > zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
>> > old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB. I
>> > don't know what else to do. This software is no longer made and I hate to
>> > not be able to use it. I thought about using a KVM switch and keep it running
>> > on the old box but I really don't have the room for two towers. I haven't
>> > tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that and I'm exhaused from trying to
>> > get this to work. About to give up...

>>
>> run4it:
>>
>> If you want to try multi-boot, I would highly recommend a third party boot
>> manager like the excellent BootIt NG, rather than the Vista boot manager.
>>
>> But really, any kind of multi-boot is very inconvenient if you want to use both
>> computers all the time (virtualization is much better in this regard).
>>
>> If you want to use your old box, you do not necessarily need a KVM switch;
>> rather you might try remote desktop. Then you can put your old machine in some
>> other location, and just run an ethernet cable to it. Try it!
>>
>> --
>> David Wilkinson
>> Visual C++ MVP
>>

"run4it" <run4it@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1BA2CB72-ED44-4C06-B711-9C54A7255D7A@xxxxxx

>I have updated to XP SP3 and I have set the compatability mode back to
> Windows 98 (which is what ChartView was written for). Still no luck.
> Again,
> the GPF error only occurs on ONE map, all the others work fine. This
> error
> never happened on my old box with XP Pro SP2. Can anyone figure out why
> this
> would happen on only ONE map while on the VPC? I mean if the map data
> file
> was corrupt wouldn't it happen on my old box too?

The file is bit-for-bit identical to the one that work(s/ed) on the physical
Win98 machine?

- Bill

From run4it <run4it@xxxxxx>, in
microsoft.public.virtualpc on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:20:01 -0700 :

>I have updated to XP SP3 and I have set the compatability mode back to
>Windows 98 (which is what ChartView was written for). Still no luck. Again,
>the GPF error only occurs on ONE map, all the others work fine. This error
>never happened on my old box with XP Pro SP2. Can anyone figure out why this
>would happen on only ONE map while on the VPC? I mean if the map data file
>was corrupt wouldn't it happen on my old box too? I wonder if I have an old
>copy of Windows 98 around and created a new VPC with that installed, do you
>think that might work better? Is it the OS in the VPC, or the VPC itself?
>It has been suggested to me by a co-worker to try VMWare instead. Any
>opinions?
>
>"David Wilkinson" wrote:
>

>> run4it wrote:

>> > I'm at my wits end trying to find a solution. VPCs are new to me, so hoping
>> > someone has an idea. Host: Vista Home Premium 64-bit. Guest XP Pro. I set
>> > up the VPC because I have an old navigation program (ChartView Planner) that
>> > won't install on the new 64-bit box. I installed ChartView on the guest, but
>> > there is a particular map, that everytime I access it and move it around or
>> > zoom in, I get a General Protection Fault error. This did not happen on my
>> > old box. I have reinstalled numerous times, I have increased RAM to 2GB. I
>> > don't know what else to do. This software is no longer made and I hate to
>> > not be able to use it. I thought about using a KVM switch and keep it running
>> > on the old box but I really don't have the room for two towers. I haven't
>> > tried a dual boot. Don't know how to do that and I'm exhaused from trying to
>> > get this to work. About to give up...

>>
>> run4it:
>>
>> If you want to try multi-boot, I would highly recommend a third party boot
>> manager like the excellent BootIt NG, rather than the Vista boot manager.
>>
>> But really, any kind of multi-boot is very inconvenient if you want to use both
>> computers all the time (virtualization is much better in this regard).
>>
>> If you want to use your old box, you do not necessarily need a KVM switch;
>> rather you might try remote desktop. Then you can put your old machine in some
>> other location, and just run an ethernet cable to it. Try it!
>>
>> --
>> David Wilkinson
>> Visual C++ MVP
>>

I think I have the profile of your problem, correct me if I am wrong:

1. Chartview ran fine on a physical XP Pro SP2 64 bit physical machine.

2. You created an XP machine as a guest to the XP host and upgraded to SP3.
it is also 64bit.

3. After installing Chartview on the XP Pro SP3 guest it gets a GPF.

Question: Is there a reason not to have a second VM?


FACE

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:mk4854dsfvkaplhs7hfioflsgnto3vct61@xxxxxx

> 2. You created an XP machine as a guest to the XP host and upgraded to
> SP3.
> it is also 64bit.

Virtual PC does not support 64-bit guests...


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net