Vista - Trick VPC

10-23-2008

I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having
troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
problem.... never the usual login screen.

Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
install?

Thanks for any tricks... or treats

10-23-2008

There's no way to trick VPC to show the real hardware. VPC presents to the
OS a virtualized machine, hence the name: Virtual PC.

I'd also like to mention that using your recovery disks to install another
copy of the OS is a violation of the license agreement. To install a copy of
Windows under VPC you must have a separate license for it.

Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting

"John" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eOjU2pVNJHA.2228@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having
>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>
> Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
> install?
>
> Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>
>

10-23-2008

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John"
<me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see:

Quote:

>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having
>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>
>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
>install?
>
>Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>

There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that
it will do that. The product name is "Xen".

FACE

10-23-2008

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John"
><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see:
>

Quote:

>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having

VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the
CPU.

Quote:

>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>>
>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
>>install?
>>
>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>>

>
>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that
>it will do that. The product name is "Xen".
>
>FACE

Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software
virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware.
Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

10-23-2008

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote

Quote:

>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
>wrote:
>

Quote:

>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John"
>><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see:
>>

Quote:

>>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having

>
>VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the
>CPU.
>

Quote:

>>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>>>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>>>
>>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
>>>install?
>>>
>>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>>>

>>
>>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that
>>it will do that. The product name is "Xen".
>>
>>FACE

>
>Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software
>virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware.
>Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista.

My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware.

10-23-2008

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:03:17 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote
>

Quote:

>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John"
>>><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see:
>>>
>>>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>>>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>>>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having

>>
>>VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the
>>CPU.
>>

Quote:

>>>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>>>>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>>>>
>>>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
>>>>install?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>>>>
>>>
>>>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that
>>>it will do that. The product name is "Xen".
>>>
>>>FACE

>>
>>Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software
>>virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware.
>>Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista.

>
>My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware.

But a Xen VM doesn't show real hardware, it is emulated, just like
VPC.
http://ian.blenke.com/xen/hvm/svm/vtx/qemu
"HVM hardware is emulated via a patched QEMU "device manager"
(qemu-dm) daemon running as a backend in dom0. There is no SCSI
emulation, only PIIX3 IDE (with some rudimentary PIIX4 capabilities),
Cirrus Logic or vanilla VGA emulated video, RTL8139 or NE2000 network
emulation, PAE, and somewhat limited ACPI and APIC support. Basically
the same devices available in QEMU 0.8.2 today (with a number of
patches for performance, etc)."

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

10-24-2008

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:45b2g4181k96msppg3tm402uosfrab246r@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told
>>> that
>>> it will do that. The product name is "Xen".

>>
>> Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software
>> virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware.
>> Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista.

>
> My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware.

Which Xen doesn't, as Steve has explained...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

10-24-2008

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:16:48 -0700 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "Steve
Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> in glistered weave wrote large for all
to see:

Quote:

>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:03:17 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
>wrote:
>

Quote:

>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote
>>

Quote:

>>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John"
>>>><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see:
>>>>
>>>>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP
>>>>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having
>>>
>>>VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the
>>>CPU.
>>>
>>>>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other
>>>>>problem.... never the usual login screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will
>>>>>install?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that
>>>>it will do that. The product name is "Xen".
>>>>
>>>>FACE
>>>
>>>Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software
>>>virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware.
>>>Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista.

>>
>>My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware.

>
>But a Xen VM doesn't show real hardware, it is emulated, just like
>VPC.

OK. Looks like i was fibbed to. .....Not the first time. :-)

FACE

Quote:

>http://ian.blenke.com/xen/hvm/svm/vtx/qemu
>"HVM hardware is emulated via a patched QEMU "device manager"
>(qemu-dm) daemon running as a backend in dom0. There is no SCSI
>emulation, only PIIX3 IDE (with some rudimentary PIIX4 capabilities),
>Cirrus Logic or vanilla VGA emulated video, RTL8139 or NE2000 network
>emulation, PAE, and somewhat limited ACPI and APIC support. Basically
>the same devices available in QEMU 0.8.2 today (with a number of
>patches for performance, etc)."

10-23-2008	#1 (permalink)
John n/a posts	Trick VPC I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other problem.... never the usual login screen. Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will install? Thanks for any tricks... or treats
My System Specs

10-23-2008	#2 (permalink)
Tom Dacon n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC There's no way to trick VPC to show the real hardware. VPC presents to the OS a virtualized machine, hence the name: Virtual PC. I'd also like to mention that using your recovery disks to install another copy of the OS is a violation of the license agreement. To install a copy of Windows under VPC you must have a separate license for it. Tom Dacon Dacon Software Consulting "John" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eOjU2pVNJHA.2228@xxxxxx Quote: >I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having >troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >problem.... never the usual login screen. > > Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will > install? > > Thanks for any tricks... or treats > >
My System Specs

10-23-2008	#3 (permalink)
FACE n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John" <me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: Quote: >I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having >troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >problem.... never the usual login screen. > >Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will >install? > >Thanks for any tricks... or treats > There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that it will do that. The product name is "Xen". FACE
My System Specs

10-23-2008	#4 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John" ><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: > Quote: >>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the CPU. Quote: Quote: >>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >>problem.... never the usual login screen. >> >>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will >>install? >> >>Thanks for any tricks... or treats >> > >There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that >it will do that. The product name is "Xen". > >FACE Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware. Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista. -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System Specs

10-23-2008	#5 (permalink)
FACE n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote Quote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> >wrote: > Quote: >>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John" >><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: >> Quote: >>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having > >VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the >CPU. > Quote: Quote: >>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >>>problem.... never the usual login screen. >>> >>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will >>>install? >>> >>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats >>> >> >>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that >>it will do that. The product name is "Xen". >> >>FACE > >Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software >virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware. >Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista. My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware.
My System Specs

10-23-2008	#6 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:03:17 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, >"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote > Quote: >>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> >>wrote: >> Quote: >>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John" >>><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: >>> >>>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >>>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >>>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having >> >>VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the >>CPU. >> Quote: >>>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >>>>problem.... never the usual login screen. >>>> >>>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will >>>>install? >>>> >>>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats >>>> >>> >>>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that >>>it will do that. The product name is "Xen". >>> >>>FACE >> >>Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software >>virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware. >>Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista. > >My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware. But a Xen VM doesn't show real hardware, it is emulated, just like VPC. http://ian.blenke.com/xen/hvm/svm/vtx/qemu "HVM hardware is emulated via a patched QEMU "device manager" (qemu-dm) daemon running as a backend in dom0. There is no SCSI emulation, only PIIX3 IDE (with some rudimentary PIIX4 capabilities), Cirrus Logic or vanilla VGA emulated video, RTL8139 or NE2000 network emulation, PAE, and somewhat limited ACPI and APIC support. Basically the same devices available in QEMU 0.8.2 today (with a number of patches for performance, etc)." -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System Specs

10-24-2008	#7 (permalink)
Mark Rae [MVP] n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC "FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:45b2g4181k96msppg3tm402uosfrab246r@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told >>> that >>> it will do that. The product name is "Xen". >> >> Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software >> virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware. >> Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista. > > My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware. Which Xen doesn't, as Steve has explained... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
My System Specs

10-24-2008	#8 (permalink)
FACE n/a posts	Re: Trick VPC On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:16:48 -0700 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: Quote: >On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:03:17 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> >wrote: > Quote: >>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:18:04 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, >>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com>, wrote >> Quote: >>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:03 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@xxxxxx> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:58:06 -0400 in microsoft.public.virtualpc, "John" >>>><me@xxxxxx> in glistered weave wrote large for all to see: >>>> >>>>>I have a ThinkPad T60 with Vista Business preinstalled. I purchased the XP >>>>>recovery disks. I want to use the XP disks for my VPC. Unfortunately, the >>>>>way VPC virtualizes all hardware, I think my XP system install is having >>> >>>VPC emulates a specific set of hardware, it's only virtualizing the >>>CPU. >>> >>>>>troubles... I have installed 2 times and usually get a BSOD or other >>>>>problem.... never the usual login screen. >>>>> >>>>>Any way to trick VPC to "show" the real hardware of my T60 so XP will >>>>>install? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for any tricks... or treats >>>>> >>>> >>>>There is a product that I personally know nothing about, but i am told that >>>>it will do that. The product name is "Xen". >>>> >>>>FACE >>> >>>Xen does not virtualize the host's hardware either. No VM software >>>virtualizes the host's hardware making a virtual copy of the hardware. >>>Also, Xen is a Linux-based hypervisor, it does not run on Vista. >> >>My response was to the question of showing the real machine hardware. > >But a Xen VM doesn't show real hardware, it is emulated, just like >VPC. OK. Looks like i was fibbed to. .....Not the first time. :-) FACE Quote: >http://ian.blenke.com/xen/hvm/svm/vtx/qemu >"HVM hardware is emulated via a patched QEMU "device manager" >(qemu-dm) daemon running as a backend in dom0. There is no SCSI >emulation, only PIIX3 IDE (with some rudimentary PIIX4 capabilities), >Cirrus Logic or vanilla VGA emulated video, RTL8139 or NE2000 network >emulation, PAE, and somewhat limited ACPI and APIC support. Basically >the same devices available in QEMU 0.8.2 today (with a number of >patches for performance, etc)."
My System Specs

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