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Old 10-28-2008   #1 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Mouse problem

I don't know if this is a Vista problem or a VPC limitation or a
misconfiguration on my part. I have more experience with VMWare Workstation
where I have not encountered this problem but then I do not have Vista on
VMWare.

The problem is that I cannot right click on a url in the Vista guest machine
address bar of any browser and then paste in a forum text box, Outlook
Express 6 email or newsgroup post, or in the address bar on my host machine
which runs XP ProSP2. This is very irritating. Is this a limitation of VPC
or Vista or what? Any fix or workaround?



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Old 10-28-2008   #2 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Mouse problem

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Quote:

>I don't know if this is a Vista problem or a VPC limitation or a
>misconfiguration on my part. I have more experience with VMWare Workstation
>where I have not encountered this problem but then I do not have Vista on
>VMWare.
>
>The problem is that I cannot right click on a url in the Vista guest machine
>address bar of any browser and then paste in a forum text box, Outlook
>Express 6 email or newsgroup post, or in the address bar on my host machine
>which runs XP ProSP2. This is very irritating. Is this a limitation of VPC
>or Vista or what? Any fix or workaround?
>
It's probably related to rights. If you're running VPC with admin
rights and trying to paste into Vista where your not running admin
rights, or vice-versa, this won't work.
I posted some info on this a while back, i.e. how to determine if
you're running Vista in admin mode, etc.

With VMWare, they run an authentication service that handles this.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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Old 10-29-2008   #3 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
news:vvhfg4hsjdviditroo7reda1qjoajt7tkh@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>I don't know if this is a Vista problem or a VPC limitation or a
>>misconfiguration on my part. I have more experience with VMWare
>>Workstation
>>where I have not encountered this problem but then I do not have Vista on
>>VMWare.
>>
>>The problem is that I cannot right click on a url in the Vista guest
>>machine
>>address bar of any browser and then paste in a forum text box, Outlook
>>Express 6 email or newsgroup post, or in the address bar on my host
>>machine
>>which runs XP ProSP2. This is very irritating. Is this a limitation of
>>VPC
>>or Vista or what? Any fix or workaround?
>>
>
> It's probably related to rights. If you're running VPC with admin
> rights and trying to paste into Vista where your not running admin
> rights, or vice-versa, this won't work.
> I posted some info on this a while back, i.e. how to determine if
> you're running Vista in admin mode, etc.
I wondered if it had to do with rights in Vista. I run as Admin in Vista and
have UAC turned off. I'm trying to copy from Vista to XP Pro where I also
run as Admin. So, there shouldn't be a problem with rights in Vista since
the host machine runs XP and is running from an Admin account. I can copy a
url from the host XP machine and paste it in the Vista guest with no
problems but I can't copy from the Vista machine to the host XP machine.

I unhid the hidden Admin account in Vista. I wonder if I can copy a url from
that account to XP...
Quote:

> With VMWare, they run an authentication service that handles this.
I didn't know how they handled it. That's good to know. Thanks.
Quote:

>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

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Old 10-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Mouse problem

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:32:09 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Quote:

>
>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
>news:vvhfg4hsjdviditroo7reda1qjoajt7tkh@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>I don't know if this is a Vista problem or a VPC limitation or a
>>>misconfiguration on my part. I have more experience with VMWare
>>>Workstation
>>>where I have not encountered this problem but then I do not have Vista on
>>>VMWare.
>>>
>>>The problem is that I cannot right click on a url in the Vista guest
>>>machine
>>>address bar of any browser and then paste in a forum text box, Outlook
>>>Express 6 email or newsgroup post, or in the address bar on my host
>>>machine
>>>which runs XP ProSP2. This is very irritating. Is this a limitation of
>>>VPC
>>>or Vista or what? Any fix or workaround?
>>>
>>
>> It's probably related to rights. If you're running VPC with admin
>> rights and trying to paste into Vista where your not running admin
>> rights, or vice-versa, this won't work.
>> I posted some info on this a while back, i.e. how to determine if
>> you're running Vista in admin mode, etc.
>
>I wondered if it had to do with rights in Vista. I run as Admin in Vista and
>have UAC turned off. I'm trying to copy from Vista to XP Pro where I also
>run as Admin. So, there shouldn't be a problem with rights in Vista since
>the host machine runs XP and is running from an Admin account. I can copy a
>url from the host XP machine and paste it in the Vista guest with no
>problems but I can't copy from the Vista machine to the host XP machine.
>
>I unhid the hidden Admin account in Vista. I wonder if I can copy a url from
Running with UAC off isn't the same as running with admin rights, even
if you're logged in with an admin account
Try lauching VPC via "run as administrator" and see if that allows you
to do the copy.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-31-2008   #5 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
news:5vqkg4lpnsqi20fjeac1m1j05rio6vkreq@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:32:09 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>
>>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
>>news:vvhfg4hsjdviditroo7reda1qjoajt7tkh@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:52:14 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't know if this is a Vista problem or a VPC limitation or a
>>>>misconfiguration on my part. I have more experience with VMWare
>>>>Workstation
>>>>where I have not encountered this problem but then I do not have Vista
>>>>on
>>>>VMWare.
>>>>
>>>>The problem is that I cannot right click on a url in the Vista guest
>>>>machine
>>>>address bar of any browser and then paste in a forum text box, Outlook
>>>>Express 6 email or newsgroup post, or in the address bar on my host
>>>>machine
>>>>which runs XP ProSP2. This is very irritating. Is this a limitation of
>>>>VPC
>>>>or Vista or what? Any fix or workaround?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's probably related to rights. If you're running VPC with admin
>>> rights and trying to paste into Vista where your not running admin
>>> rights, or vice-versa, this won't work.
>>> I posted some info on this a while back, i.e. how to determine if
>>> you're running Vista in admin mode, etc.
>>
>>I wondered if it had to do with rights in Vista. I run as Admin in Vista
>>and
>>have UAC turned off. I'm trying to copy from Vista to XP Pro where I also
>>run as Admin. So, there shouldn't be a problem with rights in Vista since
>>the host machine runs XP and is running from an Admin account. I can copy
>>a
>>url from the host XP machine and paste it in the Vista guest with no
>>problems but I can't copy from the Vista machine to the host XP machine.
>>
>>I unhid the hidden Admin account in Vista. I wonder if I can copy a url
>>from
>
> Running with UAC off isn't the same as running with admin rights, even
> if you're logged in with an admin account
> Try lauching VPC via "run as administrator" and see if that allows you
> to do the copy.
I don't understand how I would launch VPC via "run as administrator".

I launched Firefox 3 on the Vista guest via "run as administrator" and could
copy a url from one of the tabs to a forum reply box on my host XP machine.
Surely, I do not need to remember to always launch my browsers in Vista in
this manner? How do I make this permanent?

I switched to the default hidden admin account that I unhid some time ago.
There I can copy urls and paste to the host XP machine from Firefox withOUT
needing to remember to set Firefox before starting it to "run as
administrator". I've been telling others that anyone wanting to run as
admin on Vista, like we all do on XP, has to unhide the hidden admin account
and use it. I just wish I had known that before I installed Vista and
naively thought that the psuedo admin account I created during the install
was a real admin account. It isn't and I have just proved that again.


Quote:

>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-31-2008   #6 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Mouse problem

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:15:34 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
wrote:

Quote:

>
>I don't understand how I would launch VPC via "run as administrator".
>
>I launched Firefox 3 on the Vista guest via "run as administrator" and could
>copy a url from one of the tabs to a forum reply box on my host XP machine.
>Surely, I do not need to remember to always launch my browsers in Vista in
>this manner? How do I make this permanent?
>
>I switched to the default hidden admin account that I unhid some time ago.
>There I can copy urls and paste to the host XP machine from Firefox withOUT
>needing to remember to set Firefox before starting it to "run as
>administrator". I've been telling others that anyone wanting to run as
>admin on Vista, like we all do on XP, has to unhide the hidden admin account
>and use it. I just wish I had known that before I installed Vista and
>naively thought that the psuedo admin account I created during the install
>was a real admin account. It isn't and I have just proved that again.
>
Right-click on the VPC icon, select "run as administrator"

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-31-2008   #7 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
newsh8ng4h21sf9kblhce7pe1uvnj18bvt7kc@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:15:34 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
Quote:

>>
>>I don't understand how I would launch VPC via "run as administrator".
>>
>>I launched Firefox 3 on the Vista guest via "run as administrator" and
>>could
>>copy a url from one of the tabs to a forum reply box on my host XP
>>machine.
>>Surely, I do not need to remember to always launch my browsers in Vista in
>>this manner? How do I make this permanent?
>>
>>I switched to the default hidden admin account that I unhid some time ago.
>>There I can copy urls and paste to the host XP machine from Firefox
>>withOUT
>>needing to remember to set Firefox before starting it to "run as
>>administrator". I've been telling others that anyone wanting to run as
>>admin on Vista, like we all do on XP, has to unhide the hidden admin
>>account
>>and use it. I just wish I had known that before I installed Vista and
>>naively thought that the psuedo admin account I created during the install
>>was a real admin account. It isn't and I have just proved that again.
>>
>
> Right-click on the VPC icon, select "run as administrator"
I don't see that choice. Do I have to do this before I start the machine? It
is currently running and right clicking on the icon in the systray does not
give me such a choice.
Quote:

>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 11-03-2008   #8 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
newsh8ng4h21sf9kblhce7pe1uvnj18bvt7kc@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:15:34 -1000, "Melelina" <melelina@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
Quote:

>>
>>I don't understand how I would launch VPC via "run as administrator".
>>
>>I launched Firefox 3 on the Vista guest via "run as administrator" and
>>could
>>copy a url from one of the tabs to a forum reply box on my host XP
>>machine.
>>Surely, I do not need to remember to always launch my browsers in Vista in
>>this manner? How do I make this permanent?
>>
>>I switched to the default hidden admin account that I unhid some time ago.
>>There I can copy urls and paste to the host XP machine from Firefox
>>withOUT
>>needing to remember to set Firefox before starting it to "run as
>>administrator". I've been telling others that anyone wanting to run as
>>admin on Vista, like we all do on XP, has to unhide the hidden admin
>>account
>>and use it. I just wish I had known that before I installed Vista and
>>naively thought that the psuedo admin account I created during the install
>>was a real admin account. It isn't and I have just proved that again.
>>
>
> Right-click on the VPC icon, select "run as administrator"
Now even with Firefox running as administrator (why I need to do that when
my account is an admin account I still don't understand), I again cannot
copy a url from the virtual guest and paste it on the host. This drives me
nuts. I think the problem is VPC not admin rights in Vista since I always
run as admin.
Quote:

>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 11-03-2008   #9 (permalink)
Bill Grant


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


Quote:

>
> Now even with Firefox running as administrator (why I need to do that when
> my account is an admin account I still don't understand), I again cannot
> copy a url from the virtual guest and paste it on the host. This drives me
> nuts. I think the problem is VPC not admin rights in Vista since I always
> run as admin.
With Vista UAC there is a big difference between _the_ administrator and
an account in the administrator group. Only _the_ administrator account will
run an install without requiring extra privilege (because other admin
accounts normally run without admin privilege. You are only elevated when
required).

It is safest to use "run as" if you are in doubt. Some apps which are not
UAC aware will not prompt you for elevation but will simply fail.


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Old 11-03-2008   #10 (permalink)
Melelina


 
 

Re: Mouse problem


"Bill Grant" <not.available@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

>
>
Quote:

>>
>> Now even with Firefox running as administrator (why I need to do that
>> when my account is an admin account I still don't understand), I again
>> cannot copy a url from the virtual guest and paste it on the host. This
>> drives me nuts. I think the problem is VPC not admin rights in Vista
>> since I always run as admin.
>
> With Vista UAC there is a big difference between _the_ administrator
> and an account in the administrator group. Only _the_ administrator
> account will run an install without requiring extra privilege (because
> other admin accounts normally run without admin privilege. You are only
> elevated when required).
>
> It is safest to use "run as" if you are in doubt. Some apps which are
> not UAC aware will not prompt you for elevation but will simply fail.
>
>It is not safest. UAC is for the newbie, not the rest of us. I have been
>told by Microsoft that there is no difference between the hidden default
>admin account and my admin account as far as rights go. You are saying
>Microsoft is wrong?
The only reason I don't use the default Admin account all the time is
because I thought that was what I was setting up when I installed Vista. I
hate to have to move everything now from my admin account to the default
admin account because of this idiocy. I have accomplished my purpose in
installing Vista on a virtual machine and that was to learn about Vista. Now
I know if I ever get a machine with Vista (probably not) that I must
immediately unhide the default admin account and use it as my account if I
want to not have a heart attack using Vista.

I don't know what you are referring to about "installs"....installs of what?
I said that I cannot copy/paste a URL from Vista to XP. That has nothing to
do with running installs...of an OS? Further, I immediately disabled UAC. I
can't stand that thing. I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER USE IT. I have
never had a program need "elevation" to install it on Vista because I
install it from an admin account.

I CANNOT copy/past a URL from the DEFAULT ADMIN account either. THIS PROBLEM
IS A VPC problem not a problem with security in Vista. As soon as I have
the money to upgrade to Workstation 6.5, I intend to use VMWare Converter
and convert this machine to VMWare.


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