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Old 10-30-2008   #1 (permalink)
Grand_Poohbah


 
 

Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) and my VPC installed
fine, the Win2K installed into VPC nicely (as it did on my old Win XP Pro
machine) but there is considerable "jerkiness" in the guest OS.

If I select something like a movie clip, the media player starts up fine,
but then the whole clip is just a series of still shots interspersed with
hacked-up sound. Mouse movement will halt minutely as I move the pointer
across the screen, and other signs of 'something' taking up CPU time.
Explorer windows will open, but then stutter as files populate the panels in
bursts.

The Program manager shows nothing I would really call a cycle stealer on
either the guest OR the host. The host has a Intel Pentium Dual T3200 @
2Ghz/2Ghz and 4GB of RAM. I have 1G allocated to the Guest. This will happen
with nothing running on the host (other than background tasks).

As this is my first experience with Vista (but I have been 'into computers'
for over 45 years) I am momentarily at a loss to explain why VPC runs the
guest so sluggishly.

GP


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #2 (permalink)
Bo Berglund


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:00 -0700, Grand_Poohbah
<GrandPoohbah@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) and my VPC installed
>fine, the Win2K installed into VPC nicely (as it did on my old Win XP Pro
>machine) but there is considerable "jerkiness" in the guest OS.
>
>If I select something like a movie clip, the media player starts up fine,
>but then the whole clip is just a series of still shots interspersed with
>hacked-up sound. Mouse movement will halt minutely as I move the pointer
>across the screen, and other signs of 'something' taking up CPU time.
>Explorer windows will open, but then stutter as files populate the panels in
>bursts.
>
>The Program manager shows nothing I would really call a cycle stealer on
>either the guest OR the host. The host has a Intel Pentium Dual T3200 @
>2Ghz/2Ghz and 4GB of RAM. I have 1G allocated to the Guest. This will happen
>with nothing running on the host (other than background tasks).
>
>As this is my first experience with Vista (but I have been 'into computers'
>for over 45 years) I am momentarily at a loss to explain why VPC runs the
>guest so sluggishly.
>
Did you install the Virtual Machine Additions in the guest?


--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #3 (permalink)
Grand_Poohbah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?



"Bo Berglund" wrote:
Quote:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:00 -0700, Grand_Poohbah
> <GrandPoohbah@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

> >I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) and my VPC installed
> >fine, the Win2K installed into VPC nicely (as it did on my old Win XP Pro
> >machine) but there is considerable "jerkiness" in the guest OS.
> >
> >If I select something like a movie clip, the media player starts up fine,
> >but then the whole clip is just a series of still shots interspersed with
> >hacked-up sound. Mouse movement will halt minutely as I move the pointer
> >across the screen, and other signs of 'something' taking up CPU time.
> >Explorer windows will open, but then stutter as files populate the panels in
> >bursts.
> >
> >The Program manager shows nothing I would really call a cycle stealer on
> >either the guest OR the host. The host has a Intel Pentium Dual T3200 @
> >2Ghz/2Ghz and 4GB of RAM. I have 1G allocated to the Guest. This will happen
> >with nothing running on the host (other than background tasks).
> >
> >As this is my first experience with Vista (but I have been 'into computers'
> >for over 45 years) I am momentarily at a loss to explain why VPC runs the
> >guest so sluggishly.
> >
>
> Did you install the Virtual Machine Additions in the guest?
>
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>
Sorry, Bo, I should have added that I did install the additions. I can move
items freely between guest and host (but even then the action is choppy).

GP

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #4 (permalink)
Grand_Poobah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

>>
Quote:

>
> Sorry, Bo, I should have added that I did install the additions. I can move
> items freely between guest and host (but even then the action is choppy).
>
> GP
>
And, I should also add that the video chipset is an Intel 4 Series
Express Mobile with up to date drivers.

GP
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #5 (permalink)
Grand_Poobah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

--->
Quote:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> Grand_Poohbah <GrandPoohbah@xxxxxx>, wrote
>
Quote:

>> As this is my first experience with Vista (but I have been 'into computers'
>> for over 45 years) I am momentarily at a loss to explain why VPC runs the
>> guest so sluggishly.
>>
>> GP
>
> 45 years? Does the phrase "Cambridge Time Sharing System" mean anything
> to you?
>
> Suppose that every command is presented to the Host as an argument and the
> host is busy....................
>
> FACE
>
>
>
Oh, yeah. Most of my early time was spent on DG's Nova's and
SuperNovas, but DEC mainframes had a large part of my life also.

I went into the Navy in 1962 and worked with Grace Hopper at the NRL for
a bit, then moved onward to more operational programs within the Naval
Security Group.

GP
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #6 (permalink)
Bob Campbell


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

"Grand_Poohbah" <GrandPoohbah@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C8C292F3-88FA-4B32-967D-CFA80242FE73@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) and my VPC
>installed
> fine, the Win2K installed into VPC nicely (as it did on my old Win XP Pro
> machine) but there is considerable "jerkiness" in the guest OS.
>
> If I select something like a movie clip, the media player starts up fine,
> but then the whole clip is just a series of still shots interspersed with
> hacked-up sound. Mouse movement will halt minutely as I move the pointer
> across the screen, and other signs of 'something' taking up CPU time.
> Explorer windows will open, but then stutter as files populate the panels
> in
> bursts.
Well, VPC is not really suited to watching videos in the guest. You should
be doing that in Vista, as the VPC video card is pretty lame.

However, jerky mouse movement and other "stutters" indicate something else
is wrong. Did you enable Hardware Virtualization? I daily run 2 copies
of XP and a Server 2003 running SQL Server 2005 in VPC on this Vista 64
system. I have 4 GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Quad system. Performance is
excellent, but I have to admit I haven't tried watching a video in the
guest. I just assumed it wouldn't work well due to the weak video card
that VPC presents to the guest OS.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #7 (permalink)
Grand_Poobah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

--->
Quote:

> "Grand_Poohbah" <GrandPoohbah@xxxxxx> wrote in
> message news:C8C292F3-88FA-4B32-967D-CFA80242FE73@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I have a new laptop with Vista Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) and my VPC
>> installed
>> fine, the Win2K installed into VPC nicely (as it did on my old Win XP Pro
>> machine) but there is considerable "jerkiness" in the guest OS.
>>
>> If I select something like a movie clip, the media player starts up fine,
>> but then the whole clip is just a series of still shots interspersed with
>> hacked-up sound. Mouse movement will halt minutely as I move the pointer
>> across the screen, and other signs of 'something' taking up CPU time.
>> Explorer windows will open, but then stutter as files populate the
>> panels in
>> bursts.
>
> Well, VPC is not really suited to watching videos in the guest. You
> should be doing that in Vista, as the VPC video card is pretty lame.
>
> However, jerky mouse movement and other "stutters" indicate something
> else is wrong. Did you enable Hardware Virtualization? I daily run
> 2 copies of XP and a Server 2003 running SQL Server 2005 in VPC on this
> Vista 64 system. I have 4 GB RAM and 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Quad system.
> Performance is excellent, but I have to admit I haven't tried watching a
> video in the guest. I just assumed it wouldn't work well due to the
> weak video card that VPC presents to the guest OS.
Hardware virtualization is greyed-out on my copy here. Is that
something that needs to be enabled in CMOS originally?

I only checked a video after all the other things started stuttering. I
realize that the video card is really lame - but I do know how to add
another 8Mb to it. Haven't done it yet, but maybe that will help.

GP
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #8 (permalink)
Bob Campbell


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

"Grand_Poobah" <whatever@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%231xA6dsOJHA.3748@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hardware virtualization is greyed-out on my copy here. Is that something
> that needs to be enabled in CMOS originally?
Yes, it is a BIOS option, and every machine I have that has it (4) it was
disabled by default. You have to manually enable it AND power down and
back on to enable it. The CPU needs a full reset to enable it.
Quote:

> I only checked a video after all the other things started stuttering. I
> realize that the video card is really lame - but I do know how to add
> another 8Mb to it. Haven't done it yet, but maybe that will help.
Cool. How do you do that?



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Old 10-30-2008   #9 (permalink)
Grand_Poobah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

--->
Quote:

> "Grand_Poobah" <whatever@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%231xA6dsOJHA.3748@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hardware virtualization is greyed-out on my copy here. Is that
>> something that needs to be enabled in CMOS originally?
>
> Yes, it is a BIOS option, and every machine I have that has it (4) it
> was disabled by default. You have to manually enable it AND power down
> and back on to enable it. The CPU needs a full reset to enable it.
>
Quote:

>> I only checked a video after all the other things started stuttering.
>> I realize that the video card is really lame - but I do know how to
>> add another 8Mb to it. Haven't done it yet, but maybe that will help.
>
> Cool. How do you do that?
>
>
>
Aha! I will do that right now and report back.

You can add another 8Mb of video RAM by editing the VMC file for that
machine. You search the XML for the phrase 'video_adaptor' and change
the value of "8" to "16". You can't go higher than that though.

GP
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 10-30-2008   #10 (permalink)
Grand_Poobah


 
 

Re: Is this a Vista or VPC problem?

--->
Quote:

> --->
Quote:

>> "Grand_Poobah" <whatever@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%231xA6dsOJHA.3748@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Hardware virtualization is greyed-out on my copy here. Is that
>>> something that needs to be enabled in CMOS originally?
>>
>> Yes, it is a BIOS option, and every machine I have that has it (4) it
>> was disabled by default. You have to manually enable it AND power
>> down and back on to enable it. The CPU needs a full reset to enable it.
>>
Quote:

>>> I only checked a video after all the other things started
>>> stuttering. I realize that the video card is really lame - but I do
>>> know how to add another 8Mb to it. Haven't done it yet, but maybe
>>> that will help.
>>
>> Cool. How do you do that?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Aha! I will do that right now and report back.
>
> You can add another 8Mb of video RAM by editing the VMC file for that
> machine. You search the XML for the phrase 'video_adaptor' and change
> the value of "8" to "16". You can't go higher than that though.
>
> GP
Rats. "Intel Virtualization Technology" is greyed out in the BIOS. The
BIOS is "InsydeH2O" version 3.5 and apparently doesn't allow
virtualization for some reason.

GP
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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