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Old 12-06-2008   #1 (permalink)
db ·´¯`·.¸. .>


 
 

Virtual Box

I was somewhat disappointed to
learn that virtualpc didn't have
many device options available
after I installed winxp.

however, after installing and
reviewing virtualbox, it appears
this program provides an array
of available devices, like usb.

is there any reason why winxp
should not function better in
virtualbox then being limited
by the features of virtualpc?

-----------------------------------

incidentally, I also discovered
that virtual box could tap into
the vhd file made by virtualpc.

but in doing so, windows came
back with a message that it
recovered from a registry error
and due to the new hardware
change, winxp wanted to be
reactivated.

I guess all the extras provided
by virtual box increased the
hardware id that windows had
while in virtual pc.

fortunately, I had a backup copy
of the vhd file and used it to
restore the previously activated
winxp in virtual pc.

---------------------

but now I wonder if I would be
wasting my time and resources
utilizing the limitating virtualpc
for winxp when it seems that
virtualbox is more advanced.

any suggestions as to how
I might get winxp into virtualbox
without reinstalling and or
reactivating?


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-06-2008   #2 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:46:51 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
via hotmail> wrote:
Quote:

>I was somewhat disappointed to learn that virtualpc didn't have
>many device options available after I installed winxp.
Other than USB there's little difference in the virtual hardware.
Quote:

>
>however, after installing and reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>this program provides an array of available devices, like usb.
>
>is there any reason why winxp should not function better in
>virtualbox then being limited by the features of virtualpc?
if you need USB, then you'll need to use an alternative to VPC. For
most of my VMs, I don't need USB, so VPC does exactly what I need.
Quote:

>-----------------------------------
>
>incidentally, I also discovered that virtual box could tap into
>the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>
>but in doing so, windows came back with a message that it
>recovered from a registry error and due to the new hardware
>change, winxp wanted to be reactivated.
You need to make sure you remove the VM Additions before trying to run
a VPC VM in VirtualBox, but you'll still need to reactive.
I don't think you can get around reactivating XP when you move to
VirtualBox from VPC, its got a completely different hardware set
(virtually) so to XP it looks like you changed everything but your
CPU.
Quote:

>
>I guess all the extras provided by virtual box increased the
>hardware id that windows had while in virtual pc.
see above
Quote:

>
>but now I wonder if I would be wasting my time and resources
>utilizing the limitating virtualpc for winxp when it seems that
>virtualbox is more advanced.
Depends on what you really need to do. As I mentioned VPC does
everything I need for most of my VMs. Although I do use VM Ware
Workstation also (mostly Linux and x64 VMs)
Quote:

>
>any suggestions as to how I might get winxp into virtualbox
>without reinstalling and or reactivating?
>
See above.
For technical support for VirtualBox, their community is here:
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-06-2008   #3 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

>but now I wonder if I would be
Quote:

>wasting my time and resources
>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>for winxp when it seems that
>virtualbox is more advanced.
VirtualBox never was that stable for me, especially the networking,
but if it works for you and for what you need, why not?
Quote:

>any suggestions as to how
>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>without reinstalling and or
>reactivating?
Can't be done, the hardware emulated is different. You're going to
have to reactivate it. (or start fresh.)

--
Bob Comer


On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:46:51 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
via hotmail> wrote:
Quote:

>I was somewhat disappointed to
>learn that virtualpc didn't have
>many device options available
>after I installed winxp.
>
>however, after installing and
>reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>this program provides an array
>of available devices, like usb.
>
>is there any reason why winxp
>should not function better in
>virtualbox then being limited
>by the features of virtualpc?
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>incidentally, I also discovered
>that virtual box could tap into
>the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>
>but in doing so, windows came
>back with a message that it
>recovered from a registry error
>and due to the new hardware
>change, winxp wanted to be
>reactivated.
>
>I guess all the extras provided
>by virtual box increased the
>hardware id that windows had
>while in virtual pc.
>
>fortunately, I had a backup copy
>of the vhd file and used it to
>restore the previously activated
>winxp in virtual pc.
>
>---------------------
>
>but now I wonder if I would be
>wasting my time and resources
>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>for winxp when it seems that
>virtualbox is more advanced.
>
>any suggestions as to how
>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>without reinstalling and or
>reactivating?
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #4 (permalink)
ronald.phillips


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

On Dec 6, 8:46*pm, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben via hotmail>
wrote:
Quote:

> I was somewhat disappointed to
> learn that virtualpc didn't have
> many device options available
> after I installed winxp.
>
> however, after installing and
> reviewing virtualbox, it appears
> this program provides an array
> of available devices, like usb.
>
> is there any reason why winxp
> should not function better in
> virtualbox then being limited
> by the features of virtualpc?
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> incidentally, I also discovered
> that virtual box could tap into
> the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>
> but in doing so, windows came
> back with a message that it
> recovered from a registry error
> and due to the new hardware
> change, winxp wanted to be
> reactivated.
>
> I guess all the extras provided
> by virtual box increased the
> hardware id that windows had
> while in virtual pc.
>
> fortunately, I had a backup copy
> of the vhd file and used it to
> restore the previously activated
> winxp in virtual pc.
>
> ---------------------
>
> but now I wonder if I would be
> wasting my time and resources
> utilizing the limitating virtualpc
> for winxp when it seems that
> virtualbox is more advanced.
>
> any suggestions as to how
> I might get winxp into virtualbox
> without reinstalling and or
> reactivating?
Your best off testing the products yourself and forming your own
opinion. Your not going to get an objective opinion on a group
dedicated to a specific VM.

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #5 (permalink)
Bill Leary


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

<ronald.phillips@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f9b6c9cf-61b8-4ae3-8094-2d2b0c8de8f1@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Your best off testing the products yourself and forming
> your own opinion.
Yes.
Quote:

> Your not going to get an objective opinion on a group
> dedicated to a specific VM.
You may well get an objective opinion. More than a few of us here have
tried other products. Some of us still use more than one, depending on what
we're trying to accomplish. I've used Bochs, VMware, and VPC, for example.
Even some of the MVP's have commented on cases where VMware is the better
solution.

- Bill


My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #6 (permalink)
db ·´¯`·.¸. .>


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

thanks for the fyi!

actually, what I have been able to do so far
is to create shared folders between the os
and the virtual o.s.

what I am trying to accomplish is to have
the virtual o.s.'s to print my doc's via the
usb laser printers that are not supported
for vista by hp.

seems like pclinux might be a helpful
alternative.


"Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote in message
news:bgbmj4dee28v3bkrvllok4mstg64iqq5vf@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:46:51 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
> via hotmail> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>I was somewhat disappointed to learn that virtualpc didn't have
>>many device options available after I installed winxp.
>
> Other than USB there's little difference in the virtual hardware.
>
Quote:

>>
>>however, after installing and reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>>this program provides an array of available devices, like usb.
>>
>>is there any reason why winxp should not function better in
>>virtualbox then being limited by the features of virtualpc?
>
> if you need USB, then you'll need to use an alternative to VPC. For
> most of my VMs, I don't need USB, so VPC does exactly what I need.
>
Quote:

>>-----------------------------------
>>
>>incidentally, I also discovered that virtual box could tap into
>>the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>>
>>but in doing so, windows came back with a message that it
>>recovered from a registry error and due to the new hardware
>>change, winxp wanted to be reactivated.
>
> You need to make sure you remove the VM Additions before trying to run
> a VPC VM in VirtualBox, but you'll still need to reactive.
> I don't think you can get around reactivating XP when you move to
> VirtualBox from VPC, its got a completely different hardware set
> (virtually) so to XP it looks like you changed everything but your
> CPU.
>
Quote:

>>
>>I guess all the extras provided by virtual box increased the
>>hardware id that windows had while in virtual pc.
>
> see above
>
Quote:

>>
>>but now I wonder if I would be wasting my time and resources
>>utilizing the limitating virtualpc for winxp when it seems that
>>virtualbox is more advanced.
>
> Depends on what you really need to do. As I mentioned VPC does
> everything I need for most of my VMs. Although I do use VM Ware
> Workstation also (mostly Linux and x64 VMs)
>
Quote:

>>
>>any suggestions as to how I might get winxp into virtualbox
>>without reinstalling and or reactivating?
>>
> See above.
> For technical support for VirtualBox, their community is here:
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Community
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #7 (permalink)
db ·´¯`·.¸. .>


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

that's what I thought.

thanks for the feedback!


"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
newsecmj4llvld6qlh11973hobm6upg98h17n@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>>but now I wonder if I would be
>>wasting my time and resources
>>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>>for winxp when it seems that
>>virtualbox is more advanced.
>
> VirtualBox never was that stable for me, especially the networking,
> but if it works for you and for what you need, why not?
>
Quote:

>>any suggestions as to how
>>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>>without reinstalling and or
>>reactivating?
>
> Can't be done, the hardware emulated is different. You're going to
> have to reactivate it. (or start fresh.)
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:46:51 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
> via hotmail> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>I was somewhat disappointed to
>>learn that virtualpc didn't have
>>many device options available
>>after I installed winxp.
>>
>>however, after installing and
>>reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>>this program provides an array
>>of available devices, like usb.
>>
>>is there any reason why winxp
>>should not function better in
>>virtualbox then being limited
>>by the features of virtualpc?
>>
>>-----------------------------------
>>
>>incidentally, I also discovered
>>that virtual box could tap into
>>the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>>
>>but in doing so, windows came
>>back with a message that it
>>recovered from a registry error
>>and due to the new hardware
>>change, winxp wanted to be
>>reactivated.
>>
>>I guess all the extras provided
>>by virtual box increased the
>>hardware id that windows had
>>while in virtual pc.
>>
>>fortunately, I had a backup copy
>>of the vhd file and used it to
>>restore the previously activated
>>winxp in virtual pc.
>>
>>---------------------
>>
>>but now I wonder if I would be
>>wasting my time and resources
>>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>>for winxp when it seems that
>>virtualbox is more advanced.
>>
>>any suggestions as to how
>>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>>without reinstalling and or
>>reactivating?
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #8 (permalink)
db ·´¯`·.¸. .>


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

you're absolutely correct.

but any opinions, objective
or not can always be of some
help in one way or another.

so of like receiving critisms or
compliments or none at all.

thanks for the feedback!



<ronald.phillips@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f9b6c9cf-61b8-4ae3-8094-2d2b0c8de8f1@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Dec 6, 8:46 pm, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben via hotmail>
> wrote:
Quote:

>> I was somewhat disappointed to
>> learn that virtualpc didn't have
>> many device options available
>> after I installed winxp.
>>
>> however, after installing and
>> reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>> this program provides an array
>> of available devices, like usb.
>>
>> is there any reason why winxp
>> should not function better in
>> virtualbox then being limited
>> by the features of virtualpc?
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>> incidentally, I also discovered
>> that virtual box could tap into
>> the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>>
>> but in doing so, windows came
>> back with a message that it
>> recovered from a registry error
>> and due to the new hardware
>> change, winxp wanted to be
>> reactivated.
>>
>> I guess all the extras provided
>> by virtual box increased the
>> hardware id that windows had
>> while in virtual pc.
>>
>> fortunately, I had a backup copy
>> of the vhd file and used it to
>> restore the previously activated
>> winxp in virtual pc.
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> but now I wonder if I would be
>> wasting my time and resources
>> utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>> for winxp when it seems that
>> virtualbox is more advanced.
>>
>> any suggestions as to how
>> I might get winxp into virtualbox
>> without reinstalling and or
>> reactivating?
>
> Your best off testing the products yourself and forming your own
> opinion. Your not going to get an objective opinion on a group
> dedicated to a specific VM.
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #9 (permalink)
db ·´¯`·.¸. .>


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

ok thanks.

I will look into those suggestions.

in fact, I found out about virtualbox
from someone else's posting.....

thanks again!



"Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:AA362734-BA65-4854-9776-5ED524AEDBBA@xxxxxx
Quote:

> <ronald.phillips@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:f9b6c9cf-61b8-4ae3-8094-2d2b0c8de8f1@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Your best off testing the products yourself and forming
>> your own opinion.
>
> Yes.
>
Quote:

>> Your not going to get an objective opinion on a group
>> dedicated to a specific VM.
>
> You may well get an objective opinion. More than a few of us here have
> tried other products. Some of us still use more than one, depending on
> what we're trying to accomplish. I've used Bochs, VMware, and VPC, for
> example. Even some of the MVP's have commented on cases where VMware is
> the better solution.
>
> - Bill
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 12-07-2008   #10 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Virtual Box

You're welcome.

--
Bob Comer


On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:03:46 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
via hotmail> wrote:
Quote:

>that's what I thought.
>
>thanks for the feedback!
>
>
>"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>newsecmj4llvld6qlh11973hobm6upg98h17n@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>>>but now I wonder if I would be
>>>wasting my time and resources
>>>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>>>for winxp when it seems that
>>>virtualbox is more advanced.
>>
>> VirtualBox never was that stable for me, especially the networking,
>> but if it works for you and for what you need, why not?
>>
Quote:

>>>any suggestions as to how
>>>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>>>without reinstalling and or
>>>reactivating?
>>
>> Can't be done, the hardware emulated is different. You're going to
>> have to reactivate it. (or start fresh.)
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:46:51 -0600, db ·´¯`·.¸. .><)))º>. <databaseben
>> via hotmail> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>I was somewhat disappointed to
>>>learn that virtualpc didn't have
>>>many device options available
>>>after I installed winxp.
>>>
>>>however, after installing and
>>>reviewing virtualbox, it appears
>>>this program provides an array
>>>of available devices, like usb.
>>>
>>>is there any reason why winxp
>>>should not function better in
>>>virtualbox then being limited
>>>by the features of virtualpc?
>>>
>>>-----------------------------------
>>>
>>>incidentally, I also discovered
>>>that virtual box could tap into
>>>the vhd file made by virtualpc.
>>>
>>>but in doing so, windows came
>>>back with a message that it
>>>recovered from a registry error
>>>and due to the new hardware
>>>change, winxp wanted to be
>>>reactivated.
>>>
>>>I guess all the extras provided
>>>by virtual box increased the
>>>hardware id that windows had
>>>while in virtual pc.
>>>
>>>fortunately, I had a backup copy
>>>of the vhd file and used it to
>>>restore the previously activated
>>>winxp in virtual pc.
>>>
>>>---------------------
>>>
>>>but now I wonder if I would be
>>>wasting my time and resources
>>>utilizing the limitating virtualpc
>>>for winxp when it seems that
>>>virtualbox is more advanced.
>>>
>>>any suggestions as to how
>>>I might get winxp into virtualbox
>>>without reinstalling and or
>>>reactivating?
>>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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