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Old 12-17-2008   #11 (permalink)
DevilsPGD


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

In message <b0gik4da5cmhfkhojn0nnpkhsbas1ump2u@xxxxxx> Bo Berglund
<boberglund@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
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>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:50:35 -0800, DevilsPGD
><spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>>In message <f56hk49a3bi3vnu2iuiaeana5304hfcmd0@xxxxxx> Bo Berglund
>><boberglund@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
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>>>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:03:58 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
>>><mark@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>newsgegk41ndpq48ag5gmpbngkuk917cp8d2s@xxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas where it can be found?
>>>>
>>>>Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk Defragmenter
>>>
>>>Strange, it seems to offer no view of the current state like the XP
>>>defragger does (Analyze and show graphically the situation).
>>>How can I see how bad my disk is fragmented?
>>
>>Open an administrative command prompt and type "defrag c: -a" to see an
>>analysis of the drive.
>
>No graphics view, just this bare text:
>
>C:\Windows\system32>defrag c: -a
>Windows Disk Defragmenter
>Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corp.
>
>Analysis report for volume C:
>
> Volume size = 64.00 GB
> Free space = 46.00 GB
> Largest free space extent = 23.40 GB
> Percent file fragmentation = 1 %
>
> Note: On NTFS volumes, file fragments larger than 64MB are not
>included in the fragmentation statistics
>
> You do not need to defragment this volume.
>
>What an improvement from XP!
Correct. Even on my fairly small 500GB drive I have 122096127 total
allocation units on disk, which is more pixels then my 24" 1920x1200
monitor can display.

The graphic hasn't meant anything for a long time as even if you had a
small enough drive to fit within the number of pixels on your screen,
XP's drive map didn't use 1 pixel images.

With 1% fragmentation you don't need to defragment, so move on to the
next step.

You can get more info by adding -v to the end of the command line:

Windows Disk Defragmenter
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corp.

Analysis report for volume F: 750GB

Volume size = 699 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 540 GB
Free space = 159 GB
Percent free space = 22 %

File fragmentation
Percent file fragmentation = 0 %
Total movable files = 3,578
Average file size = 122 MB
Total fragmented files = 6
Total excess fragments = 144
Average fragments per file = 1.04
Total unmovable files = 12

Free space fragmentation
Free space = 159 GB
Total free space extent = 2,351
Average free space per extent = 69 MB
Largest free space extent = 28.03 GB

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 203
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 8 MB
MFT record count = 3,707
Percent MFT in use = 43
Total MFT fragments = 3

Note: On NTFS volumes, file fragments larger than 64MB are not
included in the fragmentation statistics

You do not need to defragment this volume.



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Old 12-18-2008   #12 (permalink)


XP Pro/SP3, Vista HP
 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Steve Jain [MVP] View Post
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:16:19 +0100, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Quote:

>On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:03:58 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
><mark@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>newsgegk41ndpq48ag5gmpbngkuk917cp8d2s@xxxxxx
>>
>>
>>Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk Defragmenter
>
>Strange, it seems to offer no view of the current state like the XP
>defragger does (Analyze and show graphically the situation).
>How can I see how bad my disk is fragmented?
Diskkeeper.
MS believes that the auto defrag in Vista requires no user overview or
intervention.
I've been using Diskkeeper for Vista, you still get the graphical
displays.


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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
esSJae.com Virtual Machine Downloads
I too use Diskeeper 2009 (just upgraded) on Vista, and it's got the GUI and drive map. Defrags much faster than the Vista defragger too.
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Old 12-30-2008   #13 (permalink)
bobfnospam


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:
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> "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:b0gik4da5cmhfkhojn0nnpkhsbas1ump2u@xxxxxx
>
Quote:
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>>> Open an administrative command prompt and type "defrag c: -a" to see an
>>> analysis of the drive.
>
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>> No graphics view, just this bare text:
>
> That's right.
>
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>> Note: On NTFS volumes, file fragments larger than 64MB are not
>> included in the fragmentation statistics
>
> Also correct.
>
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>> What an improvement from XP!
>
> It certainly is! All of the graphical eye candy in XP added no value
> whatsoever to the process of defragging, other than to waste processor
> cycles...
>
>
But isn't that what Vista is all about -- graphical eye candy added to
XP that wastes processor cycles?

Bob
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Old 12-30-2008   #14 (permalink)
Mark Rae [MVP]


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

<bobfnospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
Quote:

>>> What an improvement from XP!
>>
>> It certainly is! All of the graphical eye candy in XP added no value
>> whatsoever to the process of defragging, other than to waste processor
>> cycles...
>>
>>
> But isn't that what Vista is all about -- graphical eye candy added to XP
> that wastes processor cycles?
No.


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Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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Old 12-30-2008   #15 (permalink)
DevilsPGD


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

In message <uyTZmhraJHA.4052@xxxxxx>
bobfnospam@xxxxxx was claimed to have wrote:
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>But isn't that what Vista is all about -- graphical eye candy added to
>XP that wastes processor cycles?
Yup. Running IE7 in protected mode, and enforcing limited user
privileges in other applications is all graphical eye candy.

Of course when it comes to eye candy, Aero manages to offload work over
to the otherwise all-but-used GPU, so Aero is actually using less CPU
then XP in many cases.

But don't worry about letting those pesky facts while you're busy having
a good rant, 'eh?
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Old 12-30-2008   #16 (permalink)
Mark Rae [MVP]


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Of course when it comes to eye candy, Aero manages to offload work over
> to the otherwise all-but-used GPU, so Aero is actually using less CPU
> then XP in many cases.
Correct.
Quote:

> But don't worry about letting those pesky facts while you're busy having
> a good rant, 'eh?
Indeed. It always makes you look cool and hard to have a pop at the latest
MS OS - exactly the same phenomenon was noted when XP was first released.

When Vienna (or whatever it ends up being called) comes out next year,
expect a slew of posts saying how crap it is and can't we have good ol'
Vista back, etc...


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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Old 12-31-2008   #17 (permalink)
DevilsPGD


 
 

Re: Defragment/precompact Vista disk???

In message <ekwfLwsaJHA.4276@xxxxxx> "Mark Rae [MVP]"
<mark@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
Quote:

>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:593ll4ds7r5f4ba9t0p0ij131cntbvnvhl@xxxxxx
>
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>> Of course when it comes to eye candy, Aero manages to offload work over
>> to the otherwise all-but-used GPU, so Aero is actually using less CPU
>> then XP in many cases.
>
>Correct.
But it makes a better rant to whine about eye candy -- And in fairness
with a subpar video card and transparency, the end result may be slower
then turning Aero off since most CPUs aren't all that busy most of the
time anyway.

I'm a little disappointed that Microsoft didn't make
Aero-without-transparency a more obvious choice, and put the wording
around the non-Aero themes to indicate it's for under powered machines
or something similar that would embarrass the gamer types out of using
it.
Quote:
Quote:

>> But don't worry about letting those pesky facts while you're busy having
>> a good rant, 'eh?
>
>Indeed. It always makes you look cool and hard to have a pop at the latest
>MS OS - exactly the same phenomenon was noted when XP was first released.
Yup. It took well past XP SP2's release before a lot of the naysayers
moved over. I stuck it out with 2000 myself until XP SP2.
Quote:

>When Vienna (or whatever it ends up being called) comes out next year,
>expect a slew of posts saying how crap it is and can't we have good ol'
>Vista back, etc...
I'm not seeing that one, 7 is coming out too quickly, the good 'ol days
will still be XP. Shame, but a necessary one to get MS' OS release
schedule back up to speed, and so such is Vista's fate.
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