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| | Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? I am planning to set up Windows Home Server in a virtual machine, initially for experimentation, but perhaps for real. Host will be Windows XP Professional x86. Should I use virtual PC or Virtual Server? Or would VMWare Server (or Workstation, which I own) be better? -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? It's not really the best solution to run WHS in a VM, it's pretty rigid in disk timings and such, but I'd run it on Virtual Server, that fits the task the best and can be set to always autostart. The only reason I'd think about running it on VMWare Server is if you wanted to use raw USB disks, but the performance isn't great that way. -- Bob Comer On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:21:33 -0500, David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >I am planning to set up Windows Home Server in a virtual machine, initially for >experimentation, but perhaps for real. Host will be Windows XP Professional x86. > >Should I use virtual PC or Virtual Server? Or would VMWare Server (or >Workstation, which I own) be better? |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? Robert Comer wrote: Quote: > It's not really the best solution to run WHS in a VM, it's pretty > rigid in disk timings and such, but I'd run it on Virtual Server, that > fits the task the best and can be set to always autostart. The only > reason I'd think about running it on VMWare Server is if you wanted to > use raw USB disks, but the performance isn't great that way. > What does "pretty rigid in disk timings and such" mean? BTW, I am mostly interested in the WHS for client backup and connectivity, not for shared folders (for which I think I would prefer using shared folders on the host). I'm planning to run the WHS with just one big (virtual) hard drive on the eSata drive. Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be either). -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? >What does "pretty rigid in disk timings and such" mean? If the disk balancer or cleanup are slowed down any there's a good chance for corruption or the backup database. At least I ran into it a lot when I tried to run WHS in a VM. (I'd only get about two weeks out of a fresh WHS install in a VM before the corruption started to take its toll.) Quote: >BTW, I am mostly interested in the WHS for client backup and connectivity, Quote: >Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be >either). know what the reliability or speed is. -- Bob Comer On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:26:49 -0500, David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Robert Comer wrote: Quote: >> It's not really the best solution to run WHS in a VM, it's pretty >> rigid in disk timings and such, but I'd run it on Virtual Server, that >> fits the task the best and can be set to always autostart. The only >> reason I'd think about running it on VMWare Server is if you wanted to >> use raw USB disks, but the performance isn't great that way. >> >Thanks, Robert. > >What does "pretty rigid in disk timings and such" mean? > >BTW, I am mostly interested in the WHS for client backup and connectivity, not >for shared folders (for which I think I would prefer using shared folders on the >host). I'm planning to run the WHS with just one big (virtual) hard drive on the >eSata drive. > >Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be >either). |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? Robert Comer wrote: Quote: Quote: >> What does "pretty rigid in disk timings and such" mean? > If the disk balancer or cleanup are slowed down any there's a good > chance for corruption or the backup database. At least I ran into it > a lot when I tried to run WHS in a VM. (I'd only get about two weeks > out of a fresh WHS install in a VM before the corruption started to > take its toll.) > Quote: >> BTW, I am mostly interested in the WHS for client backup and connectivity, > That's all I ever used it for in a VM as well. Quote: >> Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be >> either). > I don't know on that one, I've never used an eSata drive, so I don't > know what the reliability or speed is.Robert: That is rather disturbing. But I haven't seen other reports of corruption of WHS in a virtual machine. I was thinking of running with just a single large (500 GB) virtual hard drive, so there would be none of this disk balancing/staging/duplication business going on. Do you think that would make it more reliable. Also, what about fixed size versus expanding virtual hard disk? -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? >Do you think that would make it more reliable. All I can say is try it, on my hardware it didn't work, maybe on yours it will. (Pentium D 930, dual core 3Ghz with the original version of VT, Vista or XP host, 4G of RAM, lots of disk.) Quote: >Also, what about fixed size versus expanding virtual hard disk? -- Bob Comer On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:19:08 -0500, David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Robert Comer wrote: Quote: Quote: >>> What does "pretty rigid in disk timings and such" mean? >> If the disk balancer or cleanup are slowed down any there's a good >> chance for corruption or the backup database. At least I ran into it >> a lot when I tried to run WHS in a VM. (I'd only get about two weeks >> out of a fresh WHS install in a VM before the corruption started to >> take its toll.) >> Quote: >>> BTW, I am mostly interested in the WHS for client backup and connectivity, >> That's all I ever used it for in a VM as well. Quote: >>> Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be >>> either). >> I don't know on that one, I've never used an eSata drive, so I don't >> know what the reliability or speed is.Robert: >Robert: > >That is rather disturbing. But I haven't seen other reports of corruption of WHS >in a virtual machine. > >I was thinking of running with just a single large (500 GB) virtual hard drive, >so there would be none of this disk balancing/staging/duplication business going >on. Do you think that would make it more reliable. > >Also, what about fixed size versus expanding virtual hard disk? |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:00:07 -0500, Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >It's not really the best solution to run WHS in a VM, it's pretty >rigid in disk timings and such, but I'd run it on Virtual Server, that >fits the task the best and can be set to always autostart. The only >reason I'd think about running it on VMWare Server is if you wanted to >use raw USB disks, but the performance isn't great that way. (MSDN Subscriber) without finding any trace of it. Do you know if it is a server that is part of the MSDN subscriptions??? -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? I don't think MSDN carries it. -- Bob Comer On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:19:22 +0100, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:00:07 -0500, Robert Comer ><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >>It's not really the best solution to run WHS in a VM, it's pretty >>rigid in disk timings and such, but I'd run it on Virtual Server, that >>fits the task the best and can be set to always autostart. The only >>reason I'd think about running it on VMWare Server is if you wanted to >>use raw USB disks, but the performance isn't great that way. >A bit OT here, but I have been looking for WHS on the MS Downloads >(MSDN Subscriber) without finding any trace of it. >Do you know if it is a server that is part of the MSDN >subscriptions??? |
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| | Re: Virtual WHS -- Virtual PC or Virtual Server? In message <ORlidsleJHA.3968@xxxxxx> David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote: Quote: >Will eSata perform better than USB in this situation (the drive I have can be >either). difference is in cabling. USB introduces fairly significant overhead, so even if your drive can't exceed your USB controller's theoretical bandwidth, eSATA will still be faster then USB for the same underlying physical drive. |
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