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Old 02-09-2009   #1 (permalink)
K


 
 

Isolation of Virtual PC

If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to
contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move from
the virtual PC to the physical one?

I am assuming not but want to check before I do it.

Thanks



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Old 02-09-2009   #2 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
networking setup.

--
Bob Comer


might want to make On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:07:26 -0000, "K"
<no@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to
>contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move from
>the virtual PC to the physical one?
>
>I am assuming not but want to check before I do it.
>
>Thanks
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-09-2009   #3 (permalink)
Bo Berglund


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
>networking setup.
How could a malicious file enter the VM without any networking or
shared folders or drag-n-drop?
Via the floppy drive perhaps?
Sounds a bit academic....

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)
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Old 02-09-2009   #4 (permalink)
Dave Warren


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

In message <73p0p4l2vkgd18d029dfmkemi81raf70f4@xxxxxx> Bo Berglund
<boberglund@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
Quote:

>On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
>>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
>>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
>>networking setup.
>
>How could a malicious file enter the VM without any networking or
>shared folders or drag-n-drop?
>Via the floppy drive perhaps?
>Sounds a bit academic....
Mount an ISO?

Load the infected files first, remove the NIC, then play with them?
Write them directly into the VHD before starting the OS?

Plenty of choices.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-09-2009   #5 (permalink)
ronald.phillips


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

On Feb 9, 12:15*pm, Bo Berglund <bobergl...@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer
>
> <bobcomer-remove...@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> >To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
> >better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
> >way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
> >networking setup.
>
> How could a malicious file enter the VM without any networking or
> shared folders or drag-n-drop?
> Via the floppy drive perhaps?
> Sounds a bit academic....
>
> --
>
> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
Find a vulnerability in how the additions interact with the host?
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-10-2009   #6 (permalink)
Dave Warren


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

In message <n8i0p4hiqu9fegqgtnng1cclm0op3t2s1d@xxxxxx> Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
Quote:

>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
>networking setup.
Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated
hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun.

It hasn't happened yet, but there is no reason that it can't happen.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-10-2009   #7 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

>Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated
Quote:

>hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun.
You'd have to get through two layers to do it, the driver level (not
many driver level exploits) in the VM, and then through the VPC app
itself on the host. It's not all that likely, but I suppose it's
possible. I don't know how VPC is coded, but it's possible also it's
programmed in a way that wouldn't allow a buffer overrun.

So in other words, your guess is as good as mine. <g>

--
Bob Comer


On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:28:51 -0800, Dave Warren
<dave-usenet@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>In message <n8i0p4hiqu9fegqgtnng1cclm0op3t2s1d@xxxxxx> Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
>
Quote:

>>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or
>>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no
>>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no
>>networking setup.
>
>Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated
>hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun.
>
>It hasn't happened yet, but there is no reason that it can't happen.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-10-2009   #8 (permalink)
K


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

Thanks everyone.

It's a little but more ambiguous than I thought it might be it would seem.

Maybe I would be better resorting to completely seperate hardware when
working on known infected files. That sounds like the only sure way of
avoiding "potential" crossover.

"K" <no@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eYi6hhsiJHA.1388@xxxxxx
Quote:

> If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to
> contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move
> from the virtual PC to the physical one?
>
> I am assuming not but want to check before I do it.
>
> Thanks
>

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-10-2009   #9 (permalink)
ronald.phillips


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

On Feb 10, 9:55*am, "K" <n...@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

> Thanks everyone.
>
> It's a little but more ambiguous than I thought it might be it would seem..
>
> Maybe I would be better resorting to completely seperate hardware when
> working on known infected files. *That sounds like the only sure way of
> avoiding "potential" crossover.
>
> "K" <n...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>
> news:eYi6hhsiJHA.1388@xxxxxx
>
Quote:

> > If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to
> > contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move
> > from the virtual PC to the physical one?
>
Quote:

> > I am assuming not but want to check before I do it.
>
Quote:

> > Thanks
Alot of the malware analysis guys use Qemu with a custom Linux guest
with Wine to upload malware to study. So that would likely be the
safest VM to use.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 02-10-2009   #10 (permalink)
Dave Warren


 
 

Re: Isolation of Virtual PC

In message <29o2p4hf9utjssj59rmhntgkdb8g643bha@xxxxxx> Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote:
Quote:
Quote:

>>Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated
>>hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun.
>
>You'd have to get through two layers to do it, the driver level (not
>many driver level exploits) in the VM, and then through the VPC app
>itself on the host. It's not all that likely, but I suppose it's
>possible. I don't know how VPC is coded, but it's possible also it's
>programmed in a way that wouldn't allow a buffer overrun.
>
>So in other words, your guess is as good as mine. <g>
Assuming the guest is fully p0wned, the driver level wouldn't matter and
could be bypassed entirely by a willing exploit.

I haven't seen any suggestion that VirtualPC runs in multiple privilege
elevation levels, so my educated guess is that an exploitable buffer
overrun would likely get you the malware the full privileges of the
VirtualPC application.

It promises to be a brave new exploit vector one day, especially as VMs
take off in popularity as security boundaries.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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