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| | Isolation of Virtual PC If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move from the virtual PC to the physical one? I am assuming not but want to check before I do it. Thanks |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no networking setup. -- Bob Comer might want to make On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:07:26 -0000, "K" <no@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to >contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move from >the virtual PC to the physical one? > >I am assuming not but want to check before I do it. > >Thanks > |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or >better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no >way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no >networking setup. shared folders or drag-n-drop? Via the floppy drive perhaps? Sounds a bit academic.... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC In message <73p0p4l2vkgd18d029dfmkemi81raf70f4@xxxxxx> Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote: Quote: >On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer ><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or >>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no >>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no >>networking setup. >How could a malicious file enter the VM without any networking or >shared folders or drag-n-drop? >Via the floppy drive perhaps? >Sounds a bit academic.... Load the infected files first, remove the NIC, then play with them? Write them directly into the VHD before starting the OS? Plenty of choices. |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC On Feb 9, 12:15*pm, Bo Berglund <bobergl...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:19:49 -0500, Robert Comer > > <bobcomer-remove...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > >To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or > >better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no > >way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no > >networking setup. > How could a malicious file enter the VM without any networking or > shared folders or drag-n-drop? > Via the floppy drive perhaps? > Sounds a bit academic.... > > -- > > Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC In message <n8i0p4hiqu9fegqgtnng1cclm0op3t2s1d@xxxxxx> Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote: Quote: >To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or >better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no >way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no >networking setup. hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun. It hasn't happened yet, but there is no reason that it can't happen. |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC >Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated Quote: >hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun. many driver level exploits) in the VM, and then through the VPC app itself on the host. It's not all that likely, but I suppose it's possible. I don't know how VPC is coded, but it's possible also it's programmed in a way that wouldn't allow a buffer overrun. So in other words, your guess is as good as mine. <g> -- Bob Comer On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:28:51 -0800, Dave Warren <dave-usenet@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >In message <n8i0p4hiqu9fegqgtnng1cclm0op3t2s1d@xxxxxx> Robert Comer ><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote: > Quote: >>To be safe, you have to make sure no folders are shared either,or >>better yet, don't install the VPC additions, but otherwise there's no >>way I know of that something could break out of a VM if there was no >>networking setup. >Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated >hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun. > >It hasn't happened yet, but there is no reason that it can't happen. |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC Thanks everyone. It's a little but more ambiguous than I thought it might be it would seem. Maybe I would be better resorting to completely seperate hardware when working on known infected files. That sounds like the only sure way of avoiding "potential" crossover. "K" <no@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eYi6hhsiJHA.1388@xxxxxx Quote: > If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to > contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move > from the virtual PC to the physical one? > > I am assuming not but want to check before I do it. > > Thanks > |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC On Feb 10, 9:55*am, "K" <n...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > Thanks everyone. > > It's a little but more ambiguous than I thought it might be it would seem.. > > Maybe I would be better resorting to completely seperate hardware when > working on known infected files. *That sounds like the only sure way of > avoiding "potential" crossover. > > "K" <n...@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:eYi6hhsiJHA.1388@xxxxxx > Quote: > > If I use a virtual PC, with no virtual NIC, to access files I know to > > contain viruses, are there any riska at all that that virus could move > > from the virtual PC to the physical one? Quote: > > I am assuming not but want to check before I do it. Quote: > > Thanks with Wine to upload malware to study. So that would likely be the safest VM to use. |
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| | Re: Isolation of Virtual PC In message <29o2p4hf9utjssj59rmhntgkdb8g643bha@xxxxxx> Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> was claimed to have wrote: Quote: Quote: >>Actually, thinking about this a bit more, a bug any of the emulated >>hardware devices could potentially expose an exploitable buffer overrun. >You'd have to get through two layers to do it, the driver level (not >many driver level exploits) in the VM, and then through the VPC app >itself on the host. It's not all that likely, but I suppose it's >possible. I don't know how VPC is coded, but it's possible also it's >programmed in a way that wouldn't allow a buffer overrun. > >So in other words, your guess is as good as mine. <g> could be bypassed entirely by a willing exploit. I haven't seen any suggestion that VirtualPC runs in multiple privilege elevation levels, so my educated guess is that an exploitable buffer overrun would likely get you the malware the full privileges of the VirtualPC application. It promises to be a brave new exploit vector one day, especially as VMs take off in popularity as security boundaries. |
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