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| VISTA home prem 32bit SP2 --- XP Pro SP3 32bit | what is Virtual PC / Machine? This is going to be a stupid question but what is Virtual PC / Machine? I keep thinking it's dual booting. I have reinstall discs but NOT a disc of just the OS. Does that mean I need to buy a full edition of XP or Vista to add Virtual pc or dual boot? thank you, Carmine |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? "pacinitaly" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message news:4a5a7f8ad9dc5a03a693d5440525a301@xxxxxx-gateway.com... Quote: > This is going to be a stupid question but what is Virtual PC? Quote: > I keep thinking it's dual booting. Quote: > I have reinstall discs but NOT a disc of just the OS. Quote: > Does that mean I need to buy a full edition of XP or Vista virtual machine. Apart from a very few exceptions, virtual machines are considered the same as physical machines when it comes to software licensing. Quote: > or dual boot? -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net |
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| VISTA home prem 32bit SP2 --- XP Pro SP3 32bit | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? Thank you very much Mark |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? pacinitaly wrote: Quote: > This is going to be a stupid question but what is Virtual PC / Machine? > > I keep thinking it's dual booting. Quote: > I have reinstall discs but NOT a disc of just the OS. match your real hardware, except for the CPU which does not get emulated. Quote: > Does that mean I need to buy a full edition of XP or Vista to add > Virtual pc or dual boot? runs. A virtual machine is a host (aka guest OS). You could real the EULA.txt file for your license of Windows (it's under C:\Windows somewhere). |
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| VISTA home prem 32bit SP2 --- XP Pro SP3 32bit | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? Thanks VanguardLH |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gqmhmg$oie$1@xxxxxx Quote: > A virtual machine is a host (aka guest OS). of which is the configuration (.vmc) file. In terms of virtualisation, the host is the machine on which the virtualisation software (e.g. Virtual PC, VMWare etc) is installed and running. Open up the Virtual PC helpfile and do a search for the "Evaluating requirements" topic. That will explain the difference between a host and a guest. -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? Mark Rae [MVP] wrote: Quote: > "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:gqmhmg$oie$1@xxxxxx > Quote: >> A virtual machine is a host (aka guest OS). > No it isn't. A virtual machine is nothing more than two or more files, one > of which is the configuration (.vmc) file. > > In terms of virtualisation, the host is the machine on which the > virtualisation software (e.g. Virtual PC, VMWare etc) is installed and > running. > > Open up the Virtual PC helpfile and do a search for the "Evaluating > requirements" topic. That will explain the difference between a host and a > guest. "host" and that's what it is. It is a hardware platform (emulated) with an OS. Networking folks would probably call it a node (if reachable via the network). Guest host and guest OS are used interchangeably. Why? Because an OS requires a host on which to run. Even the guest OS think in terms of host. You think the hostname for the guest OS is called "more than two files, one of which is the configuration (.vmc) file" name for the host? Inside the guest OS, it is a host. If networked, it is a host from any other host. |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gqn1bi$g0k$1@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:gqmhmg$oie$1@xxxxxx >> Quote: >>> A virtual machine is a host (aka guest OS). >> No it isn't. A virtual machine is nothing more than two or more files, >> one >> of which is the configuration (.vmc) file. >> >> In terms of virtualisation, the host is the machine on which the >> virtualisation software (e.g. Virtual PC, VMWare etc) is installed and >> running. >> >> Open up the Virtual PC helpfile and do a search for the "Evaluating >> requirements" topic. That will explain the difference between a host and >> a >> guest. > Did I say a virtual machine was a real computer? Quote: > No. I said it is a "host" and that's what it is. the virtualisation software (e.g. Virtual PC, VMWare etc) is installed and running i.e. the physical machine. That is why I suggested you look at the helpfile topic entitled "Evaluating requirements" where it explains which hosts are supported by Virtual PC and which guests are supported by Virtual PC. -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:gqn1bi$g0k$1@xxxxxx De-lurking for a second. Quote: > Guest host and guest OS are used interchangeably. any of the Virtual PC documentation. Look at this: http://vpc.visualwin.com/ngfaq.aspx#17 And this: http://vpc.visualwin.com/ngfaq.aspx#8 OS/2 is a supported guest but it certainly isn't a supported host! A guest is a guest and a host is a host. In the case of Virtual PC, "guest host" is nonsense. As has been pointed out, in the case of Virtual PC, the host is the physical machine that Virtual PC is running on and the guests are the virtual machines running on that host. |
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| | Re: what is Virtual PC / Machine? David Jackson wrote: Quote: > "VanguardLH" <V@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:gqn1bi$g0k$1@xxxxxx > > De-lurking for a second. > Quote: >> Guest host and guest OS are used interchangeably. > By you, maybe, but not by any of the regulars in here and certainly not in > any of the Virtual PC documentation. > > Look at this: http://vpc.visualwin.com/ngfaq.aspx#17 > And this: http://vpc.visualwin.com/ngfaq.aspx#8 > > OS/2 is a supported guest but it certainly isn't a supported host! > > A guest is a guest and a host is a host. In the case of Virtual PC, "guest > host" is nonsense. > > As has been pointed out, in the case of Virtual PC, the host is the physical > machine that Virtual PC is running on and the guests are the virtual > machines running on that host. announcer? Guest malware? Guest WHAT? That the terminology is truncated still behooves the question of WHAT is the guest. Is it just the OS? No, because an OS doesn't run on ether. It runs on hardware. For a virtual machine, it runs on emulated hardware. The "host" and "guest" terms were used to differentiate the real host from the guest host as regards the management of the VM manager. Apparently "virtual machine" was too difficult to use in casual conversation. The guest is SOMETHING. Now what might that be? If you are networking to the virtual machine, is it a real host or a guest [host]? Unimportant. It's just a host. When you setup many guest [hosts] on a blade server running VMWare or VirtualServer, do their users know they are guests? Nope, it's just a host using a particular OS. Virtual machines are useful because they are transparent to their users. Context is important. If you are the admin for a VM Manager then host and guest have their own limited scope when managing virtual machines. For the outsiders (the users), all of them are hosts. They may not even be able to access the real host and only the virtual machines running on them. To the users, when using Terminal Services (RDP), Citrix, or other remote access software or when accessing resources networked from that virtual machine, the user just sees them as hosts. Unless they dig into the host, they may not even realize it is a virtual machine. Depends on your point of view. I don't look upon VirtualPC, VMWare, VirtualBox, or other VM managers as an end unto themselves (so only management of the VMs utilities uses the limited host and guest terms). I actually look at HOW the virtual machines get *used* and who uses them. Do you use VPC just to be its admin and never use a VM? Do you only use 1 VM, or all VMs are solely for your own personal use? For other users of those VMs, are you going to waste time distinguishing between the real host and the guest [hosts] which are virtual machines? Should they even know it is a VM? Do they care? From the other side for the user, a host is a host whether it be on real hardware or emulated hardware. If you are both the admin and user of the virtual machine, yeah, it's easy to just use the terminology with which the admin is familiar. If you have users other than yourself, you need to discuss the environment in terms with which they are familiar. Host, real host, guest, guest host, virtual machine, computer, yabba-dabba-doo, or whatever - they don't care. It's a host to them. They know hosts (or computers) in their parlance. They don't know virtual machines or guests. "What is a Virtual PC / Machine?" To whom? To the admin or the user? |
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