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04-10-2009   #1
JSM175


 
 

Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
virtual pc 2007. The installation process happens smoothly but so far all I
get is a insufficent memory error when I try to run the program. Word 6.0c is
the first and only program I've attempted to install and run. I'm fairly sure
that I have enough memory with the virtual machine set to 32mb.

any assistance would be appreciated

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04-10-2009   #2
Non scrivetemi


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

In article <C53843D8-0042-4B52-9A38-79C537F38D97@xxxxxx>
=?Utf-8?B?SlNNMTc1?= <JSM175@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>
> I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
> virtual pc 2007. The installation process happens smoothly but so far all I
> get is a insufficent memory error when I try to run the program. Word 6.0c is
> the first and only program I've attempted to install and run. I'm fairly sure
> that I have enough memory with the virtual machine set to 32mb.
>
> any assistance would be appreciated
Have you tried 64MB or 128MB?

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04-11-2009   #3
Poutnik


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

JSM175's previous post was like this :
Quote:

>
> I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
> virtual pc 2007. The installation process happens smoothly but so far all I
> get is a insufficent memory error when I try to run the program. Word 6.0c is
> the first and only program I've attempted to install and run. I'm fairly sure
> that I have enough memory with the virtual machine set to 32mb.
>
> any assistance would be appreciated
In Windows 3.x insufficient memory often means
not physical memory itself,
but lack of "resources" - fix amount of 2 * 64kB memory,
allocated mostly to GUI and system graphical resources.

No matter how fast CPU is, and how much memory it has,
these resources are bottleneck of windows 3.x system.

There are utilities, either system or 3rd party ones,
monitoring these resources.


--
Poutnik
The best choice is such a choice,
that causes the least number of people
to complain it is NOT the best choice.
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04-11-2009   #4
d d


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

JSM175 wrote:
Quote:

> I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
> virtual pc 2007.
Can I ask why you'd want to do that?
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04-11-2009   #5
Poutnik


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

d d's previous post was like this :
Quote:

>
> JSM175 wrote:
Quote:

> > I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
> > virtual pc 2007.
>
> Can I ask why you'd want to do that?
He may have licence only for old Word,
but I think it could run in XP
under proper compatibility settings( never tried ).

--
Poutnik
The best choice is such a choice,
that causes the least number of people
to complain it is NOT the best choice.
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04-11-2009   #6
Mark Rae [MVP]


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

"JSM175" <JSM175@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:C53843D8-0042-4B52-9A38-79C537F38D97@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
> virtual pc 2007. The installation process happens smoothly but so far all
> I
> get is a insufficent memory error when I try to run the program. Word 6.0c
> is
> the first and only program I've attempted to install and run. I'm fairly
> sure
> that I have enough memory with the virtual machine set to 32mb.
Firstly, DOS is a 16-bit operating system and Windows 3.x is a 16-bit
operating environment. As such, they have a practical memory limit of 16MB,
though this can be increased with expanded and extended memory mapping:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/84388

However, under normal circumstances, 16-bit applications run in the first
1MB of RAM. But, a fair bit of this is reserved and/or used by the OS anyway
so, if the machine is poorly configured, there may not be enough application
memory for Word to start. You can check this by launching a DOS prompt and
running the mem command. If the amount of free memory is below, say, 450K
then you will need to look at optimising the VM's CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files to free up some application memory by moving as many of
the drivers and utilities into UMBs (upper memory blocks) as possible. DOS
(and, therefore, Windows 3.x) requires application memory to be contiguous
(i.e. in one single block) and UMBs are areas above the 640k memory boundary
which applications can not normally use, but drivers can be configured to
load there instead of in the default application memory...


--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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04-11-2009   #7
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

>He may have licence only for old Word,
Quote:

>but I think it could run in XP
>under proper compatibility settings( never tried ).
Not if he's running a 64-bit host OS -- no 16-bit subsystem any more.

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Bob Comer



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:24:49 +0200, Poutnik
<poutnikletspamisoutofabox@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>d d's previous post was like this :
Quote:

>>
>> JSM175 wrote:
Quote:

>> > I've been trying to get word 6.0c to work in Windows 3.11 with DOS 6.22 in
>> > virtual pc 2007.
>>
>> Can I ask why you'd want to do that?
>
>He may have licence only for old Word,
>but I think it could run in XP
>under proper compatibility settings( never tried ).
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04-11-2009   #8
Poutnik


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

Robert Comer's previous post was like this :
Quote:

>
Quote:

> >He may have licence only for old Word,
> >but I think it could run in XP
> >under proper compatibility settings( never tried ).
>
> Not if he's running a 64-bit host OS -- no 16-bit subsystem any more.
Of course, that is why I run Virtual W2KPRO, my previuos OS.

--
Poutnik
The best choice is such a choice,
that causes the least number of people
to complain it is NOT the best choice.
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04-11-2009   #9
David Wilkinson


 
 

Re: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:
Quote:

> Firstly, DOS is a 16-bit operating system and Windows 3.x is a 16-bit
> operating environment. As such, they have a practical memory limit of
> 16MB, though this can be increased with expanded and extended memory
> mapping:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/84388
>
> However, under normal circumstances, 16-bit applications run in the
> first 1MB of RAM. But, a fair bit of this is reserved and/or used by the
> OS anyway so, if the machine is poorly configured, there may not be
> enough application memory for Word to start. You can check this by
> launching a DOS prompt and running the mem command. If the amount of
> free memory is below, say, 450K then you will need to look at optimising
> the VM's CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files to free up some application
> memory by moving as many of the drivers and utilities into UMBs (upper
> memory blocks) as possible. DOS (and, therefore, Windows 3.x) requires
> application memory to be contiguous (i.e. in one single block) and UMBs
> are areas above the 640k memory boundary which applications can not
> normally use, but drivers can be configured to load there instead of in
> the default application memory...
When I tried to load Windows 98 on a new machine a few years ago (for software
testing purposes), it said there was not enough memory. Actually, I think there
was too much (1 GB I think).

This is when I started to learn about VPC. So much more convenient for testing,
anyway.

Maybe "too much is too little" is the problem here?

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP
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04-11-2009   #10
JSM175


 
 

RE: Word 6.0c and Windows 3.11

After running the mem command the system tells me I have 515k free memory
under 1MB

Intrestingly enough, I forgot to mention, every so often Word will load but
next time I start the virtual machine and windows it will once again tell me
there is not enough memory.
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