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Old 04-18-2009   #1 (permalink)
Craig


 
 

Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

Any suggestions welcome to my problem

I've been using Virtual Server 2005 (hold with me a minute here) on XP Pro
x64 on two machines for some time now but felt I should really move my more
powerful machine to Hyper-V and get Vista onto my laptop for management, and
continue to use VS2005 (R2 SP1) on Vista (I know it's not supported, it's not
supported on XP either - except non-production, which this is in fact, it's
my test labs). The Vista host would guest a couple of client machines
(XP/Vista) that would interact with the rest of the VM network hosted on the
second machine

So...

Hyper-V on second box, fine, no problems (yet)

Vista Business x64 on laptop (x64 for cpu and ram support) and install
VS2005 R2 SP1 (plus SP1 update for extended client OS support) on, on trying
to build a guest (xp x86 and also tried server 2003 x86) from scratch for
initial check, the host machine reboots

I never had any problems like this with XP Pro x64...so I'm thinking - oh
well VS2005 R2 SP1 def not supported, move to Virtual PC 2007

Same results

I've turned AMD-V on/off - same result
Updated my BroadCom 57xx drivers - same result
Uninstalled/installed VS2005 R2 SP1 inbetween both of the above - same result
Uninstalled/installed VPC2007 inbetween both of the above - same result

Issue doesn't present itself using VMware Server

Any suggestions?

I do have a TechNet Plus subscription, so mI may have found a reason at last
to use one of my two free assistance calls!

TIA

My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-18-2009   #2 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

First thing I'd check for is a BIOS update for your laptop.

Is there a bugcheck event in the Event viewer?

--
Bob Comer



On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:14:05 -0700, Craig
<Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Any suggestions welcome to my problem
>
>I've been using Virtual Server 2005 (hold with me a minute here) on XP Pro
>x64 on two machines for some time now but felt I should really move my more
>powerful machine to Hyper-V and get Vista onto my laptop for management, and
>continue to use VS2005 (R2 SP1) on Vista (I know it's not supported, it's not
>supported on XP either - except non-production, which this is in fact, it's
>my test labs). The Vista host would guest a couple of client machines
>(XP/Vista) that would interact with the rest of the VM network hosted on the
>second machine
>
>So...
>
>Hyper-V on second box, fine, no problems (yet)
>
>Vista Business x64 on laptop (x64 for cpu and ram support) and install
>VS2005 R2 SP1 (plus SP1 update for extended client OS support) on, on trying
>to build a guest (xp x86 and also tried server 2003 x86) from scratch for
>initial check, the host machine reboots
>
>I never had any problems like this with XP Pro x64...so I'm thinking - oh
>well VS2005 R2 SP1 def not supported, move to Virtual PC 2007
>
>Same results
>
>I've turned AMD-V on/off - same result
>Updated my BroadCom 57xx drivers - same result
>Uninstalled/installed VS2005 R2 SP1 inbetween both of the above - same result
>Uninstalled/installed VPC2007 inbetween both of the above - same result
>
>Issue doesn't present itself using VMware Server
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>I do have a TechNet Plus subscription, so mI may have found a reason at last
>to use one of my two free assistance calls!
>
>TIA
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-18-2009   #3 (permalink)
Craig


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

Rob

Thanks for the reply

BIOS is A08, laptop is a Dell D531 - bang up to date

I'd been through the logs at a glance when I was having problems and nothing
was flagging as warning or critical - other than a critical to say there was
an unexpected shutdown...nothing more than that.

However I'd just had a closer looks at noticed Volume Shadow Copy is
on...might be a cause, so I'll have a tinker with turning that off if I can
and see how I go...any further suggestions will be appreciated

"Robert Comer" wrote:
Quote:

> First thing I'd check for is a BIOS update for your laptop.
>
> Is there a bugcheck event in the Event viewer?
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:14:05 -0700, Craig
> <Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

> >Any suggestions welcome to my problem
> >
> >I've been using Virtual Server 2005 (hold with me a minute here) on XP Pro
> >x64 on two machines for some time now but felt I should really move my more
> >powerful machine to Hyper-V and get Vista onto my laptop for management, and
> >continue to use VS2005 (R2 SP1) on Vista (I know it's not supported, it's not
> >supported on XP either - except non-production, which this is in fact, it's
> >my test labs). The Vista host would guest a couple of client machines
> >(XP/Vista) that would interact with the rest of the VM network hosted on the
> >second machine
> >
> >So...
> >
> >Hyper-V on second box, fine, no problems (yet)
> >
> >Vista Business x64 on laptop (x64 for cpu and ram support) and install
> >VS2005 R2 SP1 (plus SP1 update for extended client OS support) on, on trying
> >to build a guest (xp x86 and also tried server 2003 x86) from scratch for
> >initial check, the host machine reboots
> >
> >I never had any problems like this with XP Pro x64...so I'm thinking - oh
> >well VS2005 R2 SP1 def not supported, move to Virtual PC 2007
> >
> >Same results
> >
> >I've turned AMD-V on/off - same result
> >Updated my BroadCom 57xx drivers - same result
> >Uninstalled/installed VS2005 R2 SP1 inbetween both of the above - same result
> >Uninstalled/installed VPC2007 inbetween both of the above - same result
> >
> >Issue doesn't present itself using VMware Server
> >
> >Any suggestions?
> >
> >I do have a TechNet Plus subscription, so mI may have found a reason at last
> >to use one of my two free assistance calls!
> >
> >TIA
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-18-2009   #4 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

>However I'd just had a closer looks at noticed Volume Shadow Copy is
Quote:

>on...might be a cause, so I'll have a tinker with turning that off if I can
>and see how I go...any further suggestions will be appreciated
That shouldn't really be the problem.

I kind of think it might be your NIC driver, I've seen problems with
other broadcoms. I really don't know if it would help diagnose this
or not, but can you set the network adapter for a VM to "Not
connected" to see if that lets a VM run?

--
Bob Comer


On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:18:01 -0700, Craig
<Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Rob
>
>Thanks for the reply
>
>BIOS is A08, laptop is a Dell D531 - bang up to date
>
>I'd been through the logs at a glance when I was having problems and nothing
>was flagging as warning or critical - other than a critical to say there was
>an unexpected shutdown...nothing more than that.
>
>However I'd just had a closer looks at noticed Volume Shadow Copy is
>on...might be a cause, so I'll have a tinker with turning that off if I can
>and see how I go...any further suggestions will be appreciated
>
>"Robert Comer" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> First thing I'd check for is a BIOS update for your laptop.
>>
>> Is there a bugcheck event in the Event viewer?
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:14:05 -0700, Craig
>> <Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>> >Any suggestions welcome to my problem
>> >
>> >I've been using Virtual Server 2005 (hold with me a minute here) on XP Pro
>> >x64 on two machines for some time now but felt I should really move my more
>> >powerful machine to Hyper-V and get Vista onto my laptop for management, and
>> >continue to use VS2005 (R2 SP1) on Vista (I know it's not supported, it's not
>> >supported on XP either - except non-production, which this is in fact, it's
>> >my test labs). The Vista host would guest a couple of client machines
>> >(XP/Vista) that would interact with the rest of the VM network hosted on the
>> >second machine
>> >
>> >So...
>> >
>> >Hyper-V on second box, fine, no problems (yet)
>> >
>> >Vista Business x64 on laptop (x64 for cpu and ram support) and install
>> >VS2005 R2 SP1 (plus SP1 update for extended client OS support) on, on trying
>> >to build a guest (xp x86 and also tried server 2003 x86) from scratch for
>> >initial check, the host machine reboots
>> >
>> >I never had any problems like this with XP Pro x64...so I'm thinking - oh
>> >well VS2005 R2 SP1 def not supported, move to Virtual PC 2007
>> >
>> >Same results
>> >
>> >I've turned AMD-V on/off - same result
>> >Updated my BroadCom 57xx drivers - same result
>> >Uninstalled/installed VS2005 R2 SP1 inbetween both of the above - same result
>> >Uninstalled/installed VPC2007 inbetween both of the above - same result
>> >
>> >Issue doesn't present itself using VMware Server
>> >
>> >Any suggestions?
>> >
>> >I do have a TechNet Plus subscription, so mI may have found a reason at last
>> >to use one of my two free assistance calls!
>> >
>> >TIA
>>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-19-2009   #5 (permalink)
Craig


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

I've configured test VM Guest with no NIC and no change

May be calling MS today!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-19-2009   #6 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

That's probably the best.

--
Bob Comer


On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:16:01 -0700, Craig
<Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I've configured test VM Guest with no NIC and no change
>
>May be calling MS today!
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-21-2009   #7 (permalink)
Steffen Koch


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

Craig schrieb:
Quote:

> Any suggestions welcome to my problem
>
> I've been using Virtual Server 2005 (hold with me a minute here) on XP Pro
> x64 on two machines for some time now but felt I should really move my more
> powerful machine to Hyper-V and get Vista onto my laptop for management, and
> continue to use VS2005 (R2 SP1) on Vista (I know it's not supported, it's not
> supported on XP either - except non-production, which this is in fact, it's
> my test labs). The Vista host would guest a couple of client machines
> (XP/Vista) that would interact with the rest of the VM network hosted on the
> second machine
>
> So...
>
> Hyper-V on second box, fine, no problems (yet)
>
> Vista Business x64 on laptop (x64 for cpu and ram support) and install
> VS2005 R2 SP1 (plus SP1 update for extended client OS support) on, on trying
> to build a guest (xp x86 and also tried server 2003 x86) from scratch for
> initial check, the host machine reboots
>
> I never had any problems like this with XP Pro x64...so I'm thinking - oh
> well VS2005 R2 SP1 def not supported, move to Virtual PC 2007
>
> Same results
>
> I've turned AMD-V on/off - same result
> Updated my BroadCom 57xx drivers - same result
> Uninstalled/installed VS2005 R2 SP1 inbetween both of the above - same result
> Uninstalled/installed VPC2007 inbetween both of the above - same result
>
> Issue doesn't present itself using VMware Server
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I do have a TechNet Plus subscription, so mI may have found a reason at last
> to use one of my two free assistance calls!
>
> TIA
eventually you turned on hardware virtualization in your vm but not in
your laptops BIOS

regards
Steffen
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-29-2009   #8 (permalink)
Craig


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

I hadn't gotten around to speaking to Microsoft as of yet but have just put
together a couple of new platforms for my VM guest (in addition to the
existing setup and laptop)

I rebuilt the laptop back to XP x64; did all the usual updates etc etc

Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 + UPDATE

My lone XP SP3 guest rebooted the host (laptop) when I fired it up

I've turned OFF hardware assistance for the VM Guest itself...fires
fine...anyone know if anything was changed in HW Assistance in the Update
that was released...seems a bit odd I've NEVER had any problems with HWA
before now

Thanks
Quote:

>
> eventually you turned on hardware virtualization in your vm but not in
> your laptops BIOS
>
> regards
> Steffen
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-29-2009   #9 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:44:04 -0700, Craig
<Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>I hadn't gotten around to speaking to Microsoft as of yet but have just put
>together a couple of new platforms for my VM guest (in addition to the
>existing setup and laptop)
>
>I rebuilt the laptop back to XP x64; did all the usual updates etc etc
>
>Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 + UPDATE
>
>My lone XP SP3 guest rebooted the host (laptop) when I fired it up
>
>I've turned OFF hardware assistance for the VM Guest itself...fires
>fine...anyone know if anything was changed in HW Assistance in the Update
>that was released...seems a bit odd I've NEVER had any problems with HWA
>before now
It's usually a bug in the BIOS, try updating your BIOS.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-29-2009   #10 (permalink)
Craig


 
 

Re: Virtual Guest reboots Host Operating System

As I say earlier in the thread the BIOS is up to date and I've been using VS
Server 2005 on the laptop for the past year (host OS XP x64) without issue

I need to get some time to methodically evaluate all possible variables and
I'll come back with a definitive answer (and maybe fix?!)

Thanks

"Steve Jain [MVP]" wrote:
Quote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:44:04 -0700, Craig
> <Craig@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:

> >I hadn't gotten around to speaking to Microsoft as of yet but have just put
> >together a couple of new platforms for my VM guest (in addition to the
> >existing setup and laptop)
> >
> >I rebuilt the laptop back to XP x64; did all the usual updates etc etc
> >
> >Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 + UPDATE
> >
> >My lone XP SP3 guest rebooted the host (laptop) when I fired it up
> >
> >I've turned OFF hardware assistance for the VM Guest itself...fires
> >fine...anyone know if anything was changed in HW Assistance in the Update
> >that was released...seems a bit odd I've NEVER had any problems with HWA
> >before now
>
> It's usually a bug in the BIOS, try updating your BIOS.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
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