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| | USB via networking??? Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB devices into a virtual machine? This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a virtual machine.... If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB device in a virtual machine? Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? I have tried to use the similar Silex USB Device Box but couldn't get i to work for a special application - it's not universal, but only works for some equipment. I would instead try these software programs http://www.fabulatech.com/usb-over-network.html http://www.eltima.com/products/usb-over-ethernet/ "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:9ttuu41mtanuu5tse92hgptvhv0st1mbb1@xxxxxx Quote: > Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi > (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB > devices into a virtual machine? > This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. > > I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual > servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual > PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, > which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a > virtual machine.... > > If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB > device in a virtual machine? > Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? > > -- > > Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? Ups, not sure they support virtual USB ports. Quote: >I have tried to use the similar Silex USB Device Box but couldn't get i to >work for a special application - it's not universal, but only works for >some equipment. > > I would instead try these software programs > http://www.fabulatech.com/usb-over-network.html > http://www.eltima.com/products/usb-over-ethernet/ > > > "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:9ttuu41mtanuu5tse92hgptvhv0st1mbb1@xxxxxx Quote: >> Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi >> (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB >> devices into a virtual machine? >> This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. >> >> I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual >> servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual >> PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, >> which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a >> virtual machine.... >> >> If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB >> device in a virtual machine? >> Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? >> >> -- >> >> Bo Berglund (Sweden) > |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:46:45 +0200, "jorgensen" <jorgs@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:9ttuu41mtanuu5tse92hgptvhv0st1mbb1@xxxxxx Quote: >> Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi >> (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB >> devices into a virtual machine? >> This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. >> >> I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual >> servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual >> PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, >> which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a >> virtual machine.... >> >> If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB >> device in a virtual machine? >> Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? Quote: >I have tried to use the similar Silex USB Device Box but couldn't get i to >work for a special application - it's not universal, but only works for some >equipment. > >I would instead try these software programs >http://www.fabulatech.com/usb-over-network.html >http://www.eltima.com/products/usb-over-ethernet/ the USB device has to be plugged into a host PC somewhere and we are immediately seeing two PC:s involved. The customer's IT department would not allow this since they are consolidating all of their servers virtually... I have contacted the Swedish distributor for Digi and I will be able to borrow a unit for testing. I'll report back when I have some results... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:12:18 +0200, "jorgensen" <jorgs@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:9ttuu41mtanuu5tse92hgptvhv0st1mbb1@xxxxxx Quote: >> Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi >> (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB >> devices into a virtual machine? >> This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. >> >> I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual >> servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual >> PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, >> which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a >> virtual machine.... >> >> If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB >> device in a virtual machine? >> Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? Quote: >Tried the Silex USB Device Server and couldn't get it to work. > >Tried with a USB stick and a scanner, and both were recognized by the Silex >software - but not Windows. None of Windows own USB drivers gets installed, >so it looks like a virtual USB driver is required to tweak Windows. ESX guests, but it is really about Windows drivers: http://ftp1.digi.com/support/documen...usb_vmware.txt <quote> AnywhereUSB Installation on a VMWare ESX Server Problem: The AnywhereUSB drivers do not install on a VMWare ESX Server Cause VMware ESX does not support USB. The USB drivers are not copied to the VMware system by default. The AnywhereUSB device is dependent on the USB core files to properly install. Solution Copy over the usbd.sys file from the original operating system disk into Windows (or winnt) \system32\drivers directory. Reboot your machine. You can then continue with the AWUSB installation as normal. </quote> It looks that by putting this driver (usbd.sys) in the right place on the guest system it would be possible to make it recognize a redirected USB driver. Might work also in a VPC2007 or VS2005 guest... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:52:09 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:46:45 +0200, "jorgensen" <jorgs@xxxxxx> >wrote: Quote: >>"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>news:9ttuu41mtanuu5tse92hgptvhv0st1mbb1@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Is it possible to use a product like AnuwhereUSB from Digi >>> (http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp) as a way to get USB >>> devices into a virtual machine? >>> This hub is operating via the Ethernet network. >>> >>> I have a use case where our customers are moving towards virtual >>> servers and our database functionality is thus installed on a virtual >>> PC platform. But our licensing system use SafeNet Sentinel dongles, >>> which are USB devices and there is a problem connecting these to a >>> virtual machine.... >>> >>> If one uses the product above, will it be possible to register the USB >>> device in a virtual machine? >>> Or does it still need emulated USB hardware (nonexistent) to work? Quote: >>I have tried to use the similar Silex USB Device Box but couldn't get i to >>work for a special application - it's not universal, but only works for some >>equipment. >> >>I would instead try these software programs >>http://www.fabulatech.com/usb-over-network.html >>http://www.eltima.com/products/usb-over-ethernet/ >The problem is that I cannot suggest a software solution because then >the USB device has to be plugged into a host PC somewhere and we are >immediately seeing two PC:s involved. The customer's IT department >would not allow this since they are consolidating all of their servers >virtually... > >I have contacted the Swedish distributor for Digi and I will be able >to borrow a unit for testing. I'll report back when I have some >results... I have tested this configuration: - DIGI AnywhereUSB Concentrator with 5 USB ports. - Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 - Guest operating system Windows 2003 Enterprise Server After a rather extensive set of installs and then also some restarts of both the concentrator and the Win2003 server guset itself I have reached the following situation: 1) There is now a USB subsystem on the virtual computer. :-) 2) If I plug a USB memory stick into the unit it will be mapped to a drive letter in the virtual machine. :-) 3) If I plug a Safenet Sentinel Pro dongle into the concentrator a USB device named SafeNet Sentinel... appears in Device Manager in the guest. :-) 4) Unfortunately (for my use) the software that tries to access the protection dongle reports that the Sentinel driver has not been loaded. :-( So the situation now is that the Sentinel driver is running so far as to being able to discover a USB device as a Sentinel unit, but when a program tries to use the device then it fails to allow access. I don't really know where to go from here on the USB software protection key access route, but it seems like the DIGI unit is in any case capable of giving a virtual machine USB capabilities at least for some types of USB devices. -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? Bo Berglund wrote: Quote: > After a rather extensive set of installs and then also some restarts > of both the concentrator and the Win2003 server guset itself I have > reached the following situation: > > 1) There is now a USB subsystem on the virtual computer. :-) > 2) If I plug a USB memory stick into the unit it will be mapped to > a drive letter in the virtual machine. :-) > 3) If I plug a Safenet Sentinel Pro dongle into the concentrator > a USB device named SafeNet Sentinel... appears in Device Manager > in the guest. :-) > 4) Unfortunately (for my use) the software that tries to access the > protection dongle reports that the Sentinel driver has not been > loaded. :-( > > So the situation now is that the Sentinel driver is running so far as > to being able to discover a USB device as a Sentinel unit, but when a > program tries to use the device then it fails to allow access. > > I don't really know where to go from here on the USB software > protection key access route, but it seems like the DIGI unit is in any > case capable of giving a virtual machine USB capabilities at least for > some types of USB devices. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:51:58 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >So the situation now is that the Sentinel driver is running so far as >to being able to discover a USB device as a Sentinel unit, but when a >program tries to use the device then it fails to allow access. > installed support for both USB and printer port. After this it started working so now I can in fact access USB hardware protection keys from within a virtual computer also with Microsoft virtualization. But the DIGI AnywhereUSB Concentrator carries a price tag (here in Sweden) of about $500.... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? Bo Berglund wrote: Quote: > But the DIGI AnywhereUSB Concentrator carries a price tag (here in > Sweden) of about $500.... Direct from Digi EMEA online store - 296.00 (Euro) You may be shopping in expensive Swedish store...:-) Jan M. Nelken |
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| | Re: USB via networking??? On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:12:49 +0200, "jorgensen" <jorgs@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: Quote: >> I have now tested a later version (7.4.2) of the sentinel driver and >> installed support for both USB and printer port. >> >> After this it started working so now I can in fact access USB hardware >> protection keys from within a virtual computer also with Microsoft >> virtualization. >> But the DIGI AnywhereUSB Concentrator carries a price tag (here in >> Sweden) of about $500.... >> Quote: >You can get a Silex 1000 unit for 50 Euro and a 2000 unit for 85 Euro! >And I can confirm it will work with most standard USB units, but not sure >about a Sentinel dongle. obtain a test unit here in Sweden. I would love to check it out though. In fact i wrote them and asked about their product and got a reassurance that it works with software protection dongles too. If it is 50 Euro then it is really much less expensive than the DIGI one. Quote: >Saw this about 'remote' Sentinel dongles >http://www.usb-over-network.com/foru...-65863381.html >Kim Today with the new Sentinel driver I did not deselect the printer port driver as I did yesterday and it worked. Probably it would have worked also yesterday if I had not gotten "smart" and deselected components that I thought were not needed (parallel port dongles are no loner in use by us). -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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