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Old 04-24-2009   #1 (permalink)
fred


 
 

Installing modems in Virtual PC

Hello,
Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
working in guest VPC:
one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the host.
Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
driver or at least using the generic driver?
Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's installation.
Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry. However
when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable" pops up.
Please advise,
Fred



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Old 04-25-2009   #2 (permalink)
Bo Berglund


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:41:15 -0400, "fred" <fred@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Hello,
>Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
>A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
>working in guest VPC:
>one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
>Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
>None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the host.
>Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
>driver or at least using the generic driver?
>Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's installation.
>Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
>installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry. However
>when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable" pops up.
>Please advise,
>Fred
>
1) The hardware inside of a guest is immutable and cannot be added to
so whatever PCI gadget you attach to the host it won't be visible as
such in the guest. Hence any PCI drivers won't start because they
cannot find the hardware.

2) Modems are a bit special because quite often they will be attached
to a COM port on the host system (internally, not via a wire).
It is possible in VPC2007 to activate serial ports (2 max) inside the
guests and when you do you get to choose which from the ones available
on the host to be transferred into the guest. This is all done in the
settings for the guest in the VPC2007 management console.
Once you do this chances are that you can use the modem as a standard
RS232 device inside the guest.

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)
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Old 04-28-2009   #3 (permalink)
Matthias Moetje [MVP]


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

Fred,

I am not sure if this can work at all.

Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.

Best regards,

Matthias Moetje
-------------------------------------
TAPI WIKI: http://www.tapi.info
-------------------------------------
TERASENS GmbH
Augustenstraße 24
80333 Munich, GERMANY
-------------------------------------
e-mail: moetje at terasens dot com
www: www.terasens.com
-------------------------------------


"fred" <fred@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ulJfN6TxJHA.5276@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Hello,
> Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
> A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
> working in guest VPC:
> one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
> Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
> None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the
> host.
> Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
> driver or at least using the generic driver?
> Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's
> installation.
> Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
> installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry. However
> when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable" pops up.
> Please advise,
> Fred
>

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Old 04-28-2009   #4 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

>Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
Quote:

>can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
Virtual PC 2007 doesn't support USB devices.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>




On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:32:52 +0200, "Matthias Moetje [MVP]"
<moetje@xxxxxx_nospam_.de> wrote:
Quote:

>Fred,
>
>I am not sure if this can work at all.
>
>Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
>can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matthias Moetje
>-------------------------------------
>TAPI WIKI: http://www.tapi.info
>-------------------------------------
>TERASENS GmbH
>Augustenstraße 24
>80333 Munich, GERMANY
>-------------------------------------
>e-mail: moetje at terasens dot com
>www: www.terasens.com
>-------------------------------------
>
>
>"fred" <fred@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:ulJfN6TxJHA.5276@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hello,
>> Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
>> A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
>> working in guest VPC:
>> one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
>> Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
>> None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the
>> host.
>> Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
>> driver or at least using the generic driver?
>> Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's
>> installation.
>> Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
>> installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry. However
>> when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable" pops up.
>> Please advise,
>> Fred
>>
>
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Old 04-28-2009   #5 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:57:56 -0400, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:
Quote:

>>Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
>>can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>
>Virtual PC 2007 doesn't support USB devices.
But, as long as the modem shows up in the host OS as a modem and not a
usb device, it should work in the VM.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-28-2009   #6 (permalink)
Robert Comer


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

Only if it exposes a normal com port from what I understand.

--
Bob Comer


On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:06 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
<noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote:
Quote:

>On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:57:56 -0400, Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
Quote:
Quote:

>>>Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
>>>can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>>
>>Virtual PC 2007 doesn't support USB devices.
>
>But, as long as the modem shows up in the host OS as a modem and not a
>usb device, it should work in the VM.
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Old 04-28-2009   #7 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP]


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:09:03 -0400, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
Quote:

>Only if it exposes a normal com port from what I understand.
yep, I've always found it much easier to get a modem to work if you
match the com ports on host and VM.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 04-28-2009   #8 (permalink)
jorgensen


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

Or the USB modem also maps itselfs as a virtual serial port.

But Windows guest do not have USB drivers as no USB 'hardware' is provided
by VirtualPC during installation, it's likely not possible anyway.

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:qtdev4h1d4nthm02lo3v0unukj0bi7mubl@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Only if it exposes a normal com port from what I understand.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:06 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
> <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote:
>
Quote:

>>On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:57:56 -0400, Robert Comer
>><bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
Quote:

>>>>Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
>>>>can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>>>
>>>Virtual PC 2007 doesn't support USB devices.
>>
>>But, as long as the modem shows up in the host OS as a modem and not a
>>usb device, it should work in the VM.

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Old 04-29-2009   #9 (permalink)
fred


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

Matthias, VPC does not support USB devices at all.
I know you are an expert in modems, Matthias.
Maybe you have some suggestions how to force Windows to use that (or any
other) modem.
I do not insist of using the original modem's driver.
It can be the generic, Windows driver. However, when I use "Standard 56000
bps modem the installation is successful but when making a call the
"Resources unavailable" message pops up.
Interestingly modem's query does proceed correctly, which tells me, there is
a need for some little 'push' to help Windows correctly set it up.
I know TAPI and I am familiar with the TapiBrowser.
Please guide me what tests should I run or what changes in modem's ini file
can help to solve that problem.
Please see below the modem's log.
Thanks,
Fred
=========================
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\tapisrv.dll, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\unimdm.tsp, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\unimdmat.dll, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\uniplat.dll, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\modem.sys,
Version 5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\modemui.dll, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - File: C:\WINDOWS\system32\mdminst.dll, Version
5.1.2600
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - Modem type: Standard 56000 bps Modem
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - Modem inf path: mdmgen.inf
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - Modem inf section: Gen556F
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - Matching hardware ID: moto1_gen
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - 115200,8,N,1, ctsfl=1, rtsctl=2
04-24-2009 20:39:33.670 - Initializing modem.
04-24-2009 20:39:33.680 - Send: AT<cr>
04-24-2009 20:39:33.780 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
04-24-2009 20:39:33.780 - Interpreted response: OK
04-24-2009 20:39:33.790 - Send: AT&FE0V1&C1&D2S95=47S0=0<cr>
04-24-2009 20:39:33.910 - Recv: <cr><lf>ERROR<cr><lf>
04-24-2009 20:39:33.910 - Interpreted response: Error
04-24-2009 20:39:33.910 - Session Statistics:
04-24-2009 20:39:33.910 - Reads : 15 bytes
04-24-2009 20:39:33.910 - Writes: 28 bytes
ATQ0V1E0 - OK
AT+GMM - Intel(R) 536EP Modem
H.324 video-ready rev. 1.0
AT+FCLASS=? - 0,1,8
AT#CLS=? - COMMAND NOT SUPPORTED
AT+GCI? - +GCI: B5
AT+GCI=? - +GCI:
(B5,61,35,14,15,27,85,88,98,A9,BC,A5,31,3C,82,52,57,58,68,A0,AE,42,0A,A6,2D,46,59,69,7B,B4,0F,3D,8B,84,00,B8,09,6C,26,50,9C,7E,07,16,73,E3,53,89,54,0B,0E,12,49,4E,4F,5B,7F,87,8C,A3,AC,B7,BB,C4,4D,E0,51,E2,B3,C5,20,1B,33,37,41,45,8A,36,2E,9F,E1)
ATI1 - Intel(R) 536EP Modem
ATI2 - Intel Corporation
ATI3 - 536EP
ATI4 - 536EP Release 4.52.1 - Oct 25 2002 - 16:37:39
ATI5 - V.92 Capable Modem
Host I/F: PCI
ATI6 - DSP Patch Level:09.71
ATI7 - OK
ATQ0V1E0 - OK
AT+GMM - Intel(R) 536EP Modem
H.324 video-ready rev. 1.0
AT+FCLASS=? - 0,1,8
AT#CLS=? - COMMAND NOT SUPPORTED
AT+GCI? - +GCI: B5
AT+GCI=? - +GCI:
(B5,61,35,14,15,27,85,88,98,A9,BC,A5,31,3C,82,52,57,58,68,A0,AE,42,0A,A6,2D,46,59,69,7B,B4,0F,3D,8B,84,00,B8,09,6C,26,50,9C,7E,07,16,73,E3,53,89,54,0B,0E,12,49,4E,4F,5B,7F,87,8C,A3,AC,B7,BB,C4,4D,E0,51,E2,B3,C5,20,1B,33,37,41,45,8A,36,2E,9F,E1)
ATI1 - Intel(R) 536EP Modem
ATI2 - Intel Corporation
ATI3 - 536EP
ATI4 - 536EP Release 4.52.1 - Oct 25 2002 - 16:37:39
ATI5 - V.92 Capable Modem
Host I/F: PCI
ATI6 - DSP Patch Level:09.71
ATI7 - OK
=======================================

"Matthias Moetje [MVP]" <moetje@xxxxxx_nospam_.de> wrote in message
news:%23pI5ZaByJHA.1092@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Fred,
>
> I am not sure if this can work at all.
>
> Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
> can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matthias Moetje
> -------------------------------------
> TAPI WIKI: http://www.tapi.info
> -------------------------------------
> TERASENS GmbH
> Augustenstraße 24
> 80333 Munich, GERMANY
> -------------------------------------
> e-mail: moetje at terasens dot com
> www: www.terasens.com
> -------------------------------------
>
>
> "fred" <fred@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ulJfN6TxJHA.5276@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hello,
>> Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
>> A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
>> working in guest VPC:
>> one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
>> Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
>> None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the
>> host.
>> Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
>> driver or at least using the generic driver?
>> Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's
>> installation.
>> Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
>> installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry.
>> However when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable"
>> pops up.
>> Please advise,
>> Fred
>>
>
>

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Old 04-29-2009   #10 (permalink)
fred


 
 

Re: Installing modems in Virtual PC

Here is the result from TapiLog:
=======================
lineInitialize returned SUCCESS
num line devs = 7
lineOpen returned SUCCESS
lineMakeCall returned x10233
received LINE_REPLY
device=x0
cbInst=x0
param1=x10233,
param2=x8000004b,
param3=x0,
LINEERR_RESOURCEUNAVAIL
=======================
Thanks,
Fred

"Matthias Moetje [MVP]" <moetje@xxxxxx_nospam_.de> wrote in message
news:%23pI5ZaByJHA.1092@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Fred,
>
> I am not sure if this can work at all.
>
> Your best bet would be to use an USB modem as USB devices
> can always be mapped to a guest OS inside a VM.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matthias Moetje
> -------------------------------------
> TAPI WIKI: http://www.tapi.info
> -------------------------------------
> TERASENS GmbH
> Augustenstraße 24
> 80333 Munich, GERMANY
> -------------------------------------
> e-mail: moetje at terasens dot com
> www: www.terasens.com
> -------------------------------------
>
>
> "fred" <fred@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ulJfN6TxJHA.5276@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Hello,
>> Anyone master the art of installing modems inside the guest in VPC?
>> A year ago I had a couple of modems installed and what is most important
>> working in guest VPC:
>> one guest was WindowsXP and another guest was Win Vista.
>> Now, I have a different computer and the different PCI modems.
>> None of them can be installed in VPC guests, but they work fine in the
>> host.
>> Is there any trick forcing the guest's Windows to recognize the original
>> driver or at least using the generic driver?
>> Right now the original driver is not recognized during modem's
>> installation.
>> Using generic Windows driver such as "Standard 56000 bps modem" the
>> installation is successful and the modem passes diagnostic querry.
>> However when it come time to use it the message "Resources unavailable"
>> pops up.
>> Please advise,
>> Fred
>>
>
>

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