Vista - RE: Windows 3.11 on Virtual PC

04-28-2009

"Enrique" wrote:

Quote:

>

Quote:

> > Greets.
> > I've been trying to install Windows for Workgroups 3.11 onto a Virtual PC
> > to take a look at some of my earliest programs in action, and am finding
> > that the VPC locks up (or simply stops accepting any sort of keyboard/mouse
> > input... there's no way to tell, really) as soon as the GUI segment of the
> > installer is displayed. I disabled network detection, and even tried
> > installing Win 3.11 Standard just to see if that would fix the problem. It
> > locks up as well.
> >
> > I've tried this with the same result across 3 different machines, two of
> > which are Intel, one AMD, running VPC 2004 and 2007... one of the machines
> > is Vista Business, the other two are XP Pro, so I'm pretty sure there's a
> > problem with VPC directly that I'm just missing, as several websites have
> > accounts of WfW installs with minimal issues.

>
> I have my 3.11 machine running perfectly fine on VPC 2007 in a Vista Home premium with a celeron processor and on VPC 2004 on a XP home edition with a celeron processor also. Yes you can install both 04 and 07 VPC versions on home computers it's just not supported that's all. I do need to install tcp/ip protocol as well as winsock support. She has sound and all working fine. So there is really no big deal on problems, they say AMD are problematic procesors don't know about Intel. Reinstall VPC if no machine works or then try getting a set of new 3.1 floppies or another iso from another place. I had this problem with Millenium Edition, all the isos I found did not contain a bootable setup file. Need help send me a message and I'll attach the iso image of 3.1 that I use wich works. First install DOS or just boot dos on floppy. I have the DOS 6.2 image that I use to boot 3.1 without it my 3.1 never boots wich is a downside for 3.1 requiring the DOS program lol.
>
>

I also successfully installed WFWG311. I started with a working DOS 6.22
configuration and then installed WFWG using individual disk images. The only
thing I've had problems with is getting QEMM to work consistently. Although
you get less overall free memory, HIMEM/EMM386 is a relatively trouble-free
configuration and has worked with everything. I don't think I installed sound
drivers for WFWG but I do have the network working. I don't think I've
installed any browsers yet.

The host PC is a Dell Optiplex Intel-based Vista Ultimate machine. I also
have the same VM replicated to an IBM X61 XP Pro laptop.

04-28-2009

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:08:01 -0700, Rich Cini
<RichCini@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>
>
>"Enrique" wrote:

Quote:

>>

Quote:

>> > Greets.
>> > I've been trying to install Windows for Workgroups 3.11 onto a Virtual PC
>> > to take a look at some of my earliest programs in action, and am finding
>> > that the VPC locks up (or simply stops accepting any sort of keyboard/mouse
>> > input... there's no way to tell, really) as soon as the GUI segment of the
>> > installer is displayed. I disabled network detection, and even tried
>> > installing Win 3.11 Standard just to see if that would fix the problem. It
>> > locks up as well.
>> >
>> > I've tried this with the same result across 3 different machines, two of
>> > which are Intel, one AMD, running VPC 2004 and 2007... one of the machines
>> > is Vista Business, the other two are XP Pro, so I'm pretty sure there's a
>> > problem with VPC directly that I'm just missing, as several websites have
>> > accounts of WfW installs with minimal issues.

>>
>> I have my 3.11 machine running perfectly fine on VPC 2007 in a Vista Home premium with a celeron processor and on VPC 2004 on a XP home edition with a celeron processor also. Yes you can install both 04 and 07 VPC versions on home computers it's just not supported that's all. I do need to install tcp/ip protocol as well as winsock support. She has sound and all working fine. So there is really no big deal on problems, they say AMD are problematic procesors don't know about Intel. Reinstall VPC if no machine works or then try getting a set of new 3.1 floppies or another iso from another place. I had this problem with Millenium Edition, all the isos I found did not contain a bootable setup file. Need help send me a message and I'll attach the iso image of 3.1 that I use wich works. First install DOS or just boot dos on floppy. I have the DOS 6.2 image that I use to boot 3.1 without it my 3.1 never boots wich is a downside for 3.1 requiring the DOS program lol.
>>
>>

>
>I also successfully installed WFWG311. I started with a working DOS 6.22
>configuration and then installed WFWG using individual disk images. The only
>thing I've had problems with is getting QEMM to work consistently. Although
>you get less overall free memory, HIMEM/EMM386 is a relatively trouble-free
>configuration and has worked with everything. I don't think I installed sound
>drivers for WFWG but I do have the network working. I don't think I've
>installed any browsers yet.
>
>The host PC is a Dell Optiplex Intel-based Vista Ultimate machine. I also
>have the same VM replicated to an IBM X61 XP Pro laptop.

with QEMM there are some specific parts of memory you need to exclude.
Unfortunately, I can no longer find any of the documentation I had
that listed this.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

04-28-2009	#1 (permalink)
Rich Cini n/a posts	RE: Windows 3.11 on Virtual PC "Enrique" wrote: Quote: > Quote: > > Greets. > > I've been trying to install Windows for Workgroups 3.11 onto a Virtual PC > > to take a look at some of my earliest programs in action, and am finding > > that the VPC locks up (or simply stops accepting any sort of keyboard/mouse > > input... there's no way to tell, really) as soon as the GUI segment of the > > installer is displayed. I disabled network detection, and even tried > > installing Win 3.11 Standard just to see if that would fix the problem. It > > locks up as well. > > > > I've tried this with the same result across 3 different machines, two of > > which are Intel, one AMD, running VPC 2004 and 2007... one of the machines > > is Vista Business, the other two are XP Pro, so I'm pretty sure there's a > > problem with VPC directly that I'm just missing, as several websites have > > accounts of WfW installs with minimal issues. > > I have my 3.11 machine running perfectly fine on VPC 2007 in a Vista Home premium with a celeron processor and on VPC 2004 on a XP home edition with a celeron processor also. Yes you can install both 04 and 07 VPC versions on home computers it's just not supported that's all. I do need to install tcp/ip protocol as well as winsock support. She has sound and all working fine. So there is really no big deal on problems, they say AMD are problematic procesors don't know about Intel. Reinstall VPC if no machine works or then try getting a set of new 3.1 floppies or another iso from another place. I had this problem with Millenium Edition, all the isos I found did not contain a bootable setup file. Need help send me a message and I'll attach the iso image of 3.1 that I use wich works. First install DOS or just boot dos on floppy. I have the DOS 6.2 image that I use to boot 3.1 without it my 3.1 never boots wich is a downside for 3.1 requiring the DOS program lol. > > I also successfully installed WFWG311. I started with a working DOS 6.22 configuration and then installed WFWG using individual disk images. The only thing I've had problems with is getting QEMM to work consistently. Although you get less overall free memory, HIMEM/EMM386 is a relatively trouble-free configuration and has worked with everything. I don't think I installed sound drivers for WFWG but I do have the network working. I don't think I've installed any browsers yet. The host PC is a Dell Optiplex Intel-based Vista Ultimate machine. I also have the same VM replicated to an IBM X61 XP Pro laptop.
My System Specs

04-28-2009	#2 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: Windows 3.11 on Virtual PC On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:08:01 -0700, Rich Cini <RichCini@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > > >"Enrique" wrote: Quote: >> Quote: >> > Greets. >> > I've been trying to install Windows for Workgroups 3.11 onto a Virtual PC >> > to take a look at some of my earliest programs in action, and am finding >> > that the VPC locks up (or simply stops accepting any sort of keyboard/mouse >> > input... there's no way to tell, really) as soon as the GUI segment of the >> > installer is displayed. I disabled network detection, and even tried >> > installing Win 3.11 Standard just to see if that would fix the problem. It >> > locks up as well. >> > >> > I've tried this with the same result across 3 different machines, two of >> > which are Intel, one AMD, running VPC 2004 and 2007... one of the machines >> > is Vista Business, the other two are XP Pro, so I'm pretty sure there's a >> > problem with VPC directly that I'm just missing, as several websites have >> > accounts of WfW installs with minimal issues. >> >> I have my 3.11 machine running perfectly fine on VPC 2007 in a Vista Home premium with a celeron processor and on VPC 2004 on a XP home edition with a celeron processor also. Yes you can install both 04 and 07 VPC versions on home computers it's just not supported that's all. I do need to install tcp/ip protocol as well as winsock support. She has sound and all working fine. So there is really no big deal on problems, they say AMD are problematic procesors don't know about Intel. Reinstall VPC if no machine works or then try getting a set of new 3.1 floppies or another iso from another place. I had this problem with Millenium Edition, all the isos I found did not contain a bootable setup file. Need help send me a message and I'll attach the iso image of 3.1 that I use wich works. First install DOS or just boot dos on floppy. I have the DOS 6.2 image that I use to boot 3.1 without it my 3.1 never boots wich is a downside for 3.1 requiring the DOS program lol. >> >> > >I also successfully installed WFWG311. I started with a working DOS 6.22 >configuration and then installed WFWG using individual disk images. The only >thing I've had problems with is getting QEMM to work consistently. Although >you get less overall free memory, HIMEM/EMM386 is a relatively trouble-free >configuration and has worked with everything. I don't think I installed sound >drivers for WFWG but I do have the network working. I don't think I've >installed any browsers yet. > >The host PC is a Dell Optiplex Intel-based Vista Ultimate machine. I also >have the same VM replicated to an IBM X61 XP Pro laptop. with QEMM there are some specific parts of memory you need to exclude. Unfortunately, I can no longer find any of the documentation I had that listed this. -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System Specs

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