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| | Successor of Virtual PC 2007 Hello, does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007, which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows 7 and does need these requirements? Greetings Goldemar |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 "Goldemar Meier" <goldemar2002@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O3sou9ZzJHA.4632@xxxxxx Quote: > Hello, > > does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007, > which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; > or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows > 7 and does need these requirements? install, but it does require Windows 7. If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than without it. Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware? |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 THX for your answer. I think, you have developed the new Version Windows Virtual PC for professional users and developers, and not hobbyists like me (and many other people). VPC 2007 has been a very nice sort of "toy" for testing software or just a little bit of "playing" with the windows system, in order to get more experienced without damaging the host system. So for me its a bit disappointing, that the new version doesn'.t work on older hardware (i.e. without hardware virtualization), not even unsupported! Greetings Goldemar "Bob Campbell" <bob@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:RsCdnXqqY5-THJ3XnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@xxxxxx Quote: > > "Goldemar Meier" <goldemar2002@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:O3sou9ZzJHA.4632@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hello, >> >> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007, >> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; >> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows >> 7 and does need these requirements? > Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate > install, but it does require Windows 7. > > If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, > then yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need > VPC, as it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it > than without it. > > Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old > hardware? |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > >"Goldemar Meier" <goldemar2002@xxxxxx> wrote in message >news:O3sou9ZzJHA.4632@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hello, >> >> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007, >> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; >> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows >> 7 and does need these requirements? >Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate >install, but it does require Windows 7. Provided one has the hardware virtualization enabled and downloaded the new VPC installer, can it not be installed in Vista? If it can't, is it a requirement inside the installer so it is just a Microsoft business decision or does it "really" need something in Windows 7 that is not available in earlier Windows versions? If so, *what* is it??? Quote: > >If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then >yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as >it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than >without it. Quote: > >Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware? in PC:s, that is rather like 1-2 years ago.... And even today the BIOS:es quite often do not work correctly with hardware virtualization.... So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from using the latest software? -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 On Tue, 05 May 2009 21:51:52 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: >> >>"Goldemar Meier" <goldemar2002@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>news:O3sou9ZzJHA.4632@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007, >>> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; >>> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows >>> 7 and does need these requirements? >>Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate >>install, but it does require Windows 7. >What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"? >Provided one has the hardware virtualization enabled and downloaded >the new VPC installer, can it not be installed in Vista? >If it can't, is it a requirement inside the installer so it is just a >Microsoft business decision or does it "really" need something in >Windows 7 that is not available in earlier Windows versions? >If so, *what* is it??? > Quote: >> >>If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then >>yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as >>it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than >>without it. >Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it... > Quote: >> >>Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware? >It is not 5 years since hardware virtualization started to be common >in PC:s, that is rather like 1-2 years ago.... >And even today the BIOS:es quite often do not work correctly with >hardware virtualization.... >So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from >using the latest software? compatibility tool for Windows 7. VPC7 isn't the VPC you know, it's branched off a lot from the original code. I hate to say it, but if you want VPC's true successor, look VirtualBox. It's likely that this is what VPC would look like now if MS hadn't purchased it...but it wouldn't be free though. IMHO, VPC will never have feature parity with VM Ware Workstation or VirtualBox. Microsoft's Linux support will never equal their Windows support. -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eq5105h07o928vj0ukucve1687vk01be58@xxxxxx Quote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote: > What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"? Quote: > Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it... Quote: > So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from > using the latest software? VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7. |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 On Tue, 05 May 2009 13:04:21 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote: Quote: >I hate to say it, but if you want VPC's true successor, look >VirtualBox. It's likely that this is what VPC would look like now if >MS hadn't purchased it...but it wouldn't be free though. > >IMHO, VPC will never have feature parity with VM Ware Workstation or >VirtualBox. Microsoft's Linux support will never equal their Windows >support. But I like to check out the other systems as well.... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 Bob Campbell wrote: Quote: Quote: >> What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"? > I have no idea. All I know is it won't install on Vista. > Quote: >> Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it... > Well, it runs, but it unquestionably runs better with it. > Quote: >> So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from >> using the latest software? > In general, no. But something this specialized is a different case. > IAC, VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7. Right now, for some people (me included), Windows 7 does not run well in VPC. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 "David Wilkinson" <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eiHQRTczJHA.5964@xxxxxx Quote: > But will there be VM Additions for Windows 7 that will work with VPC 2007? > > Right now, for some people (me included), Windows 7 does not run well in > VPC. fine. I have a "real install" of the RC, and have no intention of running it in VPC, so I don't know how it works now. I seem to remember that you had to specify "Vista" as the OS (not "other") in VPC 2007, so the correct drivers would get loaded for Win 7. |
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| | Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007 On May 5, 4:12*pm, "Bob Campbell" <b...@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: > "Bo Berglund" <bobergl...@xxxxxx> wrote in message > > news:eq5105h07o928vj0ukucve1687vk01be58@xxxxxx > Quote: > > On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <b...@xxxxxx> wrote: > > What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"? > I have no idea. * All I know is it won't install on Vista. > Quote: > > Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it... > Well, it runs, but it unquestionably runs better with it. > Quote: > > So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from > > using the latest software? > In general, no. * But something this specialized is a different case. * IAC, > VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7. installed then Virtual PC beta will be disabled. You'll also need to rename the Virtual PC executable (Otherwise Windows 7 will complain that VPC 2007 isn't compatible) and you may need to disable hardware virtualization in VPC 2007. Basically just use VirtualBox/Vmware in Windows 7. I know for sure Vmware 6.51 works fine in Windows 7, don't know about VirtualBox. |
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