Vista - N(o)t-working vpc

05-27-2009

On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:08:12 +0200, Bo Berglund
<boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:25 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
><noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:57 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com>
>>wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>>
>>>Bo Berglund;1050450 Wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 May 2009 11:15:58 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >I'm beat. It seems I have everything ready to go, but I can't get
>>>> > hooked
>>>> > >up. I tried the NAT adapter, but now changed to loopback adapter. The
>>>> > >computer sees the network, but I just can't make it go.

> >
>>>>
>>>> It would help you if you specified more in detail your setup:
>>>> - Which version of VPC (VPC2007, VPC2007SP1, Windows Virtual PC...)?
>>>> - What guest operating system did you install?
>>>> - What resources did you give to the guest?
>>>> - Which host operating system?
>>>> - How is the host networked?
>>>> - etc etc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden)
>>>Without that noone is really able to help you.
>>>Networking normally just works if you do not fiddle with the defaults.
>>>I had a previous thread about printing from vpc. I guess it ran out of
>>>interest.

>>
>>Wow! Sorry but this isn't my job. Sometimes I don't look at these
>>newsgroups for a few days.
>>
>>It also helps if you don't respond to a thread that started in 2004,

>Is it that old? My first archived message in my newsreader for this
>group is from Jan 2005, so it showed up as a new post....
>

Quote:

>>it took me a long time to find your post.

>In Forte Agent it is easy, after retrieving the new posts they become
>marked red.
>Then use the "next unread" speed button and you'll get to them in
>thread order.
>What newsreader do you use?

I use Agent, but I dont' always read every post between downloads...I
know failing at my job. ;-)
Or sometimes I just miss a post.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

05-27-2009

On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:04:45 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com>
wrote:

Quote:

>
>'Steve Jain [MVP Wrote:

Quote:

>> ;1051434']On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:52 -0500, bejeeper
>> <guest@xxxxxx-email.com>
>> wrote:

Quote:

>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >Bo Berglund;1050770 Wrote:> > > > >
>> > > >> On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:57 -0500, bejeeper
>> > > <guest@xxxxxx-email.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> OK, but was it VPC2007SP1 or VPC2007???
>> > > >> Windows 98, that's pretty old and I do not remember how good it was
>> > > >> at
>> > > >> networking...
>> > > >> Does not matter
>> > > >> Where? and How?> > >
>> > > >> Works like any other Windows App, I assume...> > >
>> > > >> Then it is hard, because your problem seems to be the networking
>> > > part
>> > > >> and here we need to know:
>> > > >> A) How is the host networked?
>> > > >> B) What is the network setup in the guest settings in VPC2007
>> > > >> C) How did you configure networking in the guest
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Bo Berglund (Sweden)> > > >
>> > >Okay,I have the network working, but now the printer connection
>> > says I
>> > >need a password. I type the password for the host computer, buit
>> > it says
>> > >it's wrong. I don't remember putting any on the printer???
>> > > >

>>
>> Ok, good to see you got past the networking issues. You might be
>> hitting the Vista/non-Vista sharing issue.
>> Is your printer setup on a public or private network on Vista? Here's
>> a guide for sharing a Vista printer.
>> 'File and Printer Sharing in Windows Vista'
>> (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...7037.aspx#EEAA)
>> just run throught the printer part and make sure you're set up the
>> same way (same workgroup), network is set to private, and so on.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> 'esSJae.com Virtual Machine Downloads' (http://vpc.essjae.com/)

>Interesting you should say that. Lately it seems to switch back to
>public.

The workgroups match.
>I was wrong. The password protects networking.
>This is what happens when I double click the host computer in
>networking from my vpc.
>-The dialogue box doesn't give me an option to enter user name, only
>password.
>-The resource looks like the host and when I type the password for that
>computer, I get the message that it's wrong.
>I have the same password for both.
>It also happens if I try to go "add a printer" from
>vpc--network--where-- I double-click the icon for the host and get the
>same "network password required" box.

>You've been a great help.

Ok, well I'm at the end of off the cuff suggestions. I'll see if I
can try this at home and replicate your issue...no guarantees on a
speed resolution though...this weekend is my wife's birthday so VMs
take a low priority. ;-)

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

**bejeeper** · 05-27-2009

Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up.
Yeeee-hahhh!
I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc.
So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address.
Of course in my impatience......
Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option.
I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it ....

**bejeeper** · 05-28-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by bejeeper

Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up.
Yeeee-hahhh!
I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc.
So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address.
Of course in my impatience......
Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option.
I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it ....

must have been the sledge hammer threat. I got the host icon back on the VPC. While clicking through the vpc network nieghbourhood, I right click "Entire neighbourhood"--double click WORKGROUP--right click the host's name and go to "properties".
Click "tool" tab
Click "administer" button.......get a message-"! Remote administration of this server requires file and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks. Double-click Network icon in control panel to enable this service."
So.....I turn on both boxes and get a message to restart.
Guess what. I now have both the host and the vpc showing in the network on both machines.
I must be close, but I still get the denied access block when trying to access my host from vpc. It wants a network password and everything I try doesn't work.

**bejeeper** · 06-02-2009

Quote: Originally Posted by bejeeper

Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up.
Yeeee-hahhh!
I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc.
So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address.
Of course in my impatience......
Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option.
I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it ....

must have been the sledge hammer threat. I got the host icon back on the VPC. While clicking through the vpc network nieghbourhood, I right click "Entire neighbourhood"--double click WORKGROUP--right click the host's name and go to "properties".
Click "tool" tab
Click "administer" button.......get a message-"! Remote administration of this server requires file and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks. Double-click Network icon in control panel to enable this service."
So.....I turn on both boxes and get a message to restart.
Guess what. I now have both the host and the vpc showing in the network on both machines.
I must be close, but I still get the denied access block when trying to access my host from vpc. It wants a network password and everything I try doesn't work.

So.... I'm looking at Computer management...Services and applications....
Network protection access......and read.....
Local service account and Network sevice Acccount are configured with a null password. Is this of any significance.

05-27-2009	#11 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: N(o)t-working vpc On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:08:12 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >On Tue, 26 May 2009 16:18:25 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]" ><noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote: > Quote: >>On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:57 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> >>wrote: >> Quote: >>> >>>Bo Berglund;1050450 Wrote: >>>> On Mon, 25 May 2009 11:15:58 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >I'm beat. It seems I have everything ready to go, but I can't get >>>> > hooked >>>> > >up. I tried the NAT adapter, but now changed to loopback adapter. The >>>> > >computer sees the network, but I just can't make it go. > > >>>> >>>> It would help you if you specified more in detail your setup: >>>> - Which version of VPC (VPC2007, VPC2007SP1, Windows Virtual PC...)? >>>> - What guest operating system did you install? >>>> - What resources did you give to the guest? >>>> - Which host operating system? >>>> - How is the host networked? >>>> - etc etc >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bo Berglund (Sweden) >>>Without that noone is really able to help you. >>>Networking normally just works if you do not fiddle with the defaults. >>>I had a previous thread about printing from vpc. I guess it ran out of >>>interest. >> >>Wow! Sorry but this isn't my job. Sometimes I don't look at these >>newsgroups for a few days. >> >>It also helps if you don't respond to a thread that started in 2004, >Is it that old? My first archived message in my newsreader for this >group is from Jan 2005, so it showed up as a new post.... > Quote: >>it took me a long time to find your post. >In Forte Agent it is easy, after retrieving the new posts they become >marked red. >Then use the "next unread" speed button and you'll get to them in >thread order. >What newsreader do you use? I use Agent, but I dont' always read every post between downloads...I know failing at my job. ;-) Or sometimes I just miss a post. -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System Specs

05-27-2009	#12 (permalink)
Steve Jain [MVP] n/a posts	Re: N(o)t-working vpc On Wed, 27 May 2009 07:04:45 -0500, bejeeper <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote: Quote: > >'Steve Jain [MVP Wrote: Quote: >> ;1051434']On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:52 -0500, bejeeper >> <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> >> wrote: Quote: >> > > > >> > > >> > >Bo Berglund;1050770 Wrote:> > > > > >> > > >> On Mon, 25 May 2009 15:22:57 -0500, bejeeper >> > > <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> OK, but was it VPC2007SP1 or VPC2007??? >> > > >> Windows 98, that's pretty old and I do not remember how good it was >> > > >> at >> > > >> networking... >> > > >> Does not matter >> > > >> Where? and How?> > > >> > > >> Works like any other Windows App, I assume...> > > >> > > >> Then it is hard, because your problem seems to be the networking >> > > part >> > > >> and here we need to know: >> > > >> A) How is the host networked? >> > > >> B) What is the network setup in the guest settings in VPC2007 >> > > >> C) How did you configure networking in the guest >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> -- >> > > >> >> > > >> Bo Berglund (Sweden)> > > > >> > >Okay,I have the network working, but now the printer connection >> > says I >> > >need a password. I type the password for the host computer, buit >> > it says >> > >it's wrong. I don't remember putting any on the printer??? >> > > > >> >> Ok, good to see you got past the networking issues. You might be >> hitting the Vista/non-Vista sharing issue. >> Is your printer setup on a public or private network on Vista? Here's >> a guide for sharing a Vista printer. >> 'File and Printer Sharing in Windows Vista' >> (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...7037.aspx#EEAA) >> just run throught the printer part and make sure you're set up the >> same way (same workgroup), network is set to private, and so on. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP >> 'esSJae.com Virtual Machine Downloads' (http://vpc.essjae.com/) >Interesting you should say that. Lately it seems to switch back to >public. The workgroups match. >I was wrong. The password protects networking. >This is what happens when I double click the host computer in >networking from my vpc. >-The dialogue box doesn't give me an option to enter user name, only >password. >-The resource looks like the host and when I type the password for that >computer, I get the message that it's wrong. >I have the same password for both. >It also happens if I try to go "add a printer" from >vpc--network--where-- I double-click the icon for the host and get the >same "network password required" box. >You've been a great help. Ok, well I'm at the end of off the cuff suggestions. I'll see if I can try this at home and replicate your issue...no guarantees on a speed resolution though...this weekend is my wife's birthday so VMs take a low priority. ;-) -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/
My System Specs

05-27-2009	#13 (permalink)
bejeeper Vista home premiumx64 15 posts	Re: N(o)t-working vpc Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up. Yeeee-hahhh! I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc. So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address. Of course in my impatience...... Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option. I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it ....
My System Specs

05-28-2009	#14 (permalink)
bejeeper Vista home premiumx64 15 posts	Re: N(o)t-working vpc Quote: Originally Posted by bejeeper Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up. Yeeee-hahhh! I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc. So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address. Of course in my impatience...... Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option. I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it .... must have been the sledge hammer threat. I got the host icon back on the VPC. While clicking through the vpc network nieghbourhood, I right click "Entire neighbourhood"--double click WORKGROUP--right click the host's name and go to "properties". Click "tool" tab Click "administer" button.......get a message-"! Remote administration of this server requires file and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks. Double-click Network icon in control panel to enable this service." So.....I turn on both boxes and get a message to restart. Guess what. I now have both the host and the vpc showing in the network on both machines. I must be close, but I still get the denied access block when trying to access my host from vpc. It wants a network password and everything I try doesn't work.
My System Specs

06-02-2009	#15 (permalink)
bejeeper Vista home premiumx64 15 posts	Re: N(o)t-working vpc Quote: Originally Posted by bejeeper Quote: Originally Posted by bejeeper Ha ha. I just lost the icon for my host in vpc. Network not available. I figured if I screwed around with it enough, I'd screw it up. Yeeee-hahhh! I read the stuff in the link there and so much of it I had already done, including the IP address change so the "x" is the same as vpc. So, I went back and set it to automatically configure an address. Of course in my impatience...... Don't trouble yourself too much- I do appreciate the help, but I'm at my wits end now and I'm thinking a sledge hammer is my next option. I'm going to start with a fresh mind in the wee hours tonite and if dawn breaks before I get it .... must have been the sledge hammer threat. I got the host icon back on the VPC. While clicking through the vpc network nieghbourhood, I right click "Entire neighbourhood"--double click WORKGROUP--right click the host's name and go to "properties". Click "tool" tab Click "administer" button.......get a message-"! Remote administration of this server requires file and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks. Double-click Network icon in control panel to enable this service." So.....I turn on both boxes and get a message to restart. Guess what. I now have both the host and the vpc showing in the network on both machines. I must be close, but I still get the denied access block when trying to access my host from vpc. It wants a network password and everything I try doesn't work. So.... I'm looking at Computer management...Services and applications.... Network protection access......and read..... Local service account and Network sevice Acccount are configured with a null password. Is this of any significance.
My System Specs

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