Vista - WinVPC

05-30-2009

Sigh, I was hopping to gain access to my large format USB printers (WinXP
drivers) through Win7's WinXP, and at the same time use VS to support
multiple instances of my legacy software. 5 years ago I wouldn't have thought
to use a whole VM simply to gain access to my printers, but here I am
considering it as I have more invested in printers then computers. The
printer drivers are the reason why I haven't looked at HyperV, and I would
prefer to stick to VS because of the effort I previously made to program the
VMRC interface.

Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with
Win7.
Wesley

"Robert Comer" wrote:

Quote:

> I just did some more testing and yes, VPC2007 SP1 will install and run
> in Win7 if you haven't tried to install VPC 7.
>
> Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 will not install, it's blocked by the
> compatibility routines.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:11 -0400, Robert Comer
> <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

> >>Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC.

> >
> >I suspected you meant that but still think that's the best reason to
> >run even that version.
> >

Quote:

> >>All
> >>that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be
> >>guest.

> >
> >That's all that's supported, but not all that runs.
> >

Quote:

> >>Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest.

> >
> >Me. <g>
> >
> >When running older OS's, it is better to use the additions from an
> >older version of VPC than to run without any additions...
> >
> >To answer your other question about VPC 2007 and Virtual Server, yes,
> >they should run fine in Win7 as long as you don't have the Win7
> >version already installed. (or have even tried to install the new
> >version as there is currently a problem of installing VPC2007 being
> >blocked if you ever installed the new one.)

>

05-30-2009

Great Site, am looking foward to your posts there.
--
Wesley

"Steve Jain [MVP]" wrote:

Quote:

> On Sat, 30 May 2009 10:53:01 -0700, Wesley
> <Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote:
>

Quote:

> >Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC. All
> >that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be
> >guest. Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest.

>
> It does, I've done it. I am in the process of adding the necessary
> stuff to my website.
>
> Basically, you need to boot from a CD, fdisk, and format, then run
> setup. Works just like VPC2007, you just don't use a bootable floppy.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>

05-30-2009

>Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with

Quote:

>Win7.

More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but
probably both are long shots.

--
Bob Comer

On Sat, 30 May 2009 19:06:01 -0700, Wesley
<Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>Sigh, I was hopping to gain access to my large format USB printers (WinXP
>drivers) through Win7's WinXP, and at the same time use VS to support
>multiple instances of my legacy software. 5 years ago I wouldn't have thought
>to use a whole VM simply to gain access to my printers, but here I am
>considering it as I have more invested in printers then computers. The
>printer drivers are the reason why I haven't looked at HyperV, and I would
>prefer to stick to VS because of the effort I previously made to program the
>VMRC interface.
>
>Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with
>Win7.
>Wesley
>
>
>"Robert Comer" wrote:
>

Quote:

>> I just did some more testing and yes, VPC2007 SP1 will install and run
>> in Win7 if you haven't tried to install VPC 7.
>>
>> Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 will not install, it's blocked by the
>> compatibility routines.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:11 -0400, Robert Comer
>> <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>

Quote:

>> >>Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC.
>> >
>> >I suspected you meant that but still think that's the best reason to
>> >run even that version.
>> >
>> >>All
>> >>that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be
>> >>guest.
>> >
>> >That's all that's supported, but not all that runs.
>> >
>> >>Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest.
>> >
>> >Me. <g>
>> >
>> >When running older OS's, it is better to use the additions from an
>> >older version of VPC than to run without any additions...
>> >
>> >To answer your other question about VPC 2007 and Virtual Server, yes,
>> >they should run fine in Win7 as long as you don't have the Win7
>> >version already installed. (or have even tried to install the new
>> >version as there is currently a problem of installing VPC2007 being
>> >blocked if you ever installed the new one.)

>>

05-31-2009

Robert Comer wrote:

Quote:

>> Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with
>> Win7.

>
> More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but
> probably both are long shots.

Bob:

You think so? That's a blow. I have WHS running in Virtual Server on XP host,
but I was planning on moving it to a Windows 7 host.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

05-31-2009

>You think so? That's a blow.

I don't know.

VPC7 may do all you need if they don't.

--
Bob Comer

On Sun, 31 May 2009 06:45:19 -0400, David Wilkinson
<no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>Robert Comer wrote:

Quote:

>>> Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with
>>> Win7.

>>
>> More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but
>> probably both are long shots.

>
>Bob:
>
>You think so? That's a blow. I have WHS running in Virtual Server on XP host,
>but I was planning on moving it to a Windows 7 host.

05-31-2009

Robert Comer wrote:

Quote:

> VPC7 may do all you need if they don't.

Bob:

I would rather run WHS on a server virtualization product, but not Hyper-V
because I want the host to be a media center pc that has access to the actual
hardware.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

05-31-2009

Just saying you may want to look closer at the new VPC capabilities
once it is released, it may do all you require.

--
Bob Comer

On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:29:54 -0400, David Wilkinson
<no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote:

Quote:

>Robert Comer wrote:

Quote:

>> VPC7 may do all you need if they don't.

>
>Bob:
>
>I would rather run WHS on a server virtualization product, but not Hyper-V
>because I want the host to be a media center pc that has access to the actual
>hardware.

05-31-2009

"Wesley" <Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:8817D681-AF98-4077-9572-B1CDD77B020E@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Bob, that is good news. I assume that you used the additions for DOS VM
> from
> VPC 2004?

Yes.

06-01-2009

Robert Comer wrote:

Quote:

> Just saying you may want to look closer at the new VPC capabilities
> once it is released, it may do all you require.

Why do I get the impression that you know something you are not telling me :-) ?

But, no matter, I can wait. At this point even my host is virtual (not yet built).

One great advantage of the virtual host is that when the time comes I will not
repeat the mistake I made last time: building a machine that does not support
hardware virtualization.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

06-01-2009

"David Wilkinson" <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O0$SEjq4JHA.5616@xxxxxx

Quote:

> But, no matter, I can wait. At this point even my host is virtual (not yet
> built).
>
> One great advantage of the virtual host

Does VPC7 permit installation on a virtual host?

AFAIK, VPC 2007 won't install on on a virtual machine...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

05-30-2009	#11 (permalink)
Wesley n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Sigh, I was hopping to gain access to my large format USB printers (WinXP drivers) through Win7's WinXP, and at the same time use VS to support multiple instances of my legacy software. 5 years ago I wouldn't have thought to use a whole VM simply to gain access to my printers, but here I am considering it as I have more invested in printers then computers. The printer drivers are the reason why I haven't looked at HyperV, and I would prefer to stick to VS because of the effort I previously made to program the VMRC interface. Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with Win7. Wesley "Robert Comer" wrote: Quote: > I just did some more testing and yes, VPC2007 SP1 will install and run > in Win7 if you haven't tried to install VPC 7. > > Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 will not install, it's blocked by the > compatibility routines. > > -- > Bob Comer > > > On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:11 -0400, Robert Comer > <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: Quote: > >>Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC. > > > >I suspected you meant that but still think that's the best reason to > >run even that version. > > Quote: > >>All > >>that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be > >>guest. > > > >That's all that's supported, but not all that runs. > > Quote: > >>Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest. > > > >Me. <g> > > > >When running older OS's, it is better to use the additions from an > >older version of VPC than to run without any additions... > > > >To answer your other question about VPC 2007 and Virtual Server, yes, > >they should run fine in Win7 as long as you don't have the Win7 > >version already installed. (or have even tried to install the new > >version as there is currently a problem of installing VPC2007 being > >blocked if you ever installed the new one.) >
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05-30-2009	#12 (permalink)
Wesley n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Great Site, am looking foward to your posts there. -- Wesley "Steve Jain [MVP]" wrote: Quote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009 10:53:01 -0700, Wesley > <Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote: > Quote: > >Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC. All > >that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be > >guest. Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest. > > It does, I've done it. I am in the process of adding the necessary > stuff to my website. > > Basically, you need to boot from a CD, fdisk, and format, then run > setup. Works just like VPC2007, you just don't use a bootable floppy. > > -- > Cheers, > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP > http://vpc.essjae.com/ >
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05-30-2009	#13 (permalink)
Robert Comer n/a posts	Re: WinVPC >Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with Quote: >Win7. More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but probably both are long shots. -- Bob Comer On Sat, 30 May 2009 19:06:01 -0700, Wesley <Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Sigh, I was hopping to gain access to my large format USB printers (WinXP >drivers) through Win7's WinXP, and at the same time use VS to support >multiple instances of my legacy software. 5 years ago I wouldn't have thought >to use a whole VM simply to gain access to my printers, but here I am >considering it as I have more invested in printers then computers. The >printer drivers are the reason why I haven't looked at HyperV, and I would >prefer to stick to VS because of the effort I previously made to program the >VMRC interface. > >Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with >Win7. >Wesley > > >"Robert Comer" wrote: > Quote: >> I just did some more testing and yes, VPC2007 SP1 will install and run >> in Win7 if you haven't tried to install VPC 7. >> >> Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 will not install, it's blocked by the >> compatibility routines. >> >> -- >> Bob Comer >> >> >> On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:11 -0400, Robert Comer >> <bobcomer-removeme-@xxxxxx> wrote: >> Quote: >> >>Robert, Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking about Win7's WinVPC. >> > >> >I suspected you meant that but still think that's the best reason to >> >run even that version. >> > >> >>All >> >>that I have read seem to indicate that only Vista, WinXP, and Win 2008 can be >> >>guest. >> > >> >That's all that's supported, but not all that runs. >> > >> >>Has anyone tried to run Win98 as a guest. >> > >> >Me. <g> >> > >> >When running older OS's, it is better to use the additions from an >> >older version of VPC than to run without any additions... >> > >> >To answer your other question about VPC 2007 and Virtual Server, yes, >> >they should run fine in Win7 as long as you don't have the Win7 >> >version already installed. (or have even tried to install the new >> >version as there is currently a problem of installing VPC2007 being >> >blocked if you ever installed the new one.) >>
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05-31-2009	#14 (permalink)
David Wilkinson n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Robert Comer wrote: Quote: Quote: >> Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with >> Win7. > > More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but > probably both are long shots. Bob: You think so? That's a blow. I have WHS running in Virtual Server on XP host, but I was planning on moving it to a Windows 7 host. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP
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05-31-2009	#15 (permalink)
Robert Comer n/a posts	Re: WinVPC >You think so? That's a blow. I don't know. VPC7 may do all you need if they don't. -- Bob Comer On Sun, 31 May 2009 06:45:19 -0400, David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Robert Comer wrote: Quote: Quote: >>> Anyone know if a backwards compatible VS will surface in conjunction with >>> Win7. >> >> More likely Win7 will get fixed so you can install Virtual Server, but >> probably both are long shots. > >Bob: > >You think so? That's a blow. I have WHS running in Virtual Server on XP host, >but I was planning on moving it to a Windows 7 host.
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05-31-2009	#16 (permalink)
David Wilkinson n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Robert Comer wrote: Quote: > VPC7 may do all you need if they don't. Bob: I would rather run WHS on a server virtualization product, but not Hyper-V because I want the host to be a media center pc that has access to the actual hardware. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP
My System Specs

05-31-2009	#17 (permalink)
Robert Comer n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Just saying you may want to look closer at the new VPC capabilities once it is released, it may do all you require. -- Bob Comer On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:29:54 -0400, David Wilkinson <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >Robert Comer wrote: Quote: >> VPC7 may do all you need if they don't. > >Bob: > >I would rather run WHS on a server virtualization product, but not Hyper-V >because I want the host to be a media center pc that has access to the actual >hardware.
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05-31-2009	#18 (permalink)
Bob Campbell n/a posts	Re: WinVPC "Wesley" <Wesley@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8817D681-AF98-4077-9572-B1CDD77B020E@xxxxxx Quote: > Bob, that is good news. I assume that you used the additions for DOS VM > from > VPC 2004? Yes.
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06-01-2009	#19 (permalink)
David Wilkinson n/a posts	Re: WinVPC Robert Comer wrote: Quote: > Just saying you may want to look closer at the new VPC capabilities > once it is released, it may do all you require. Why do I get the impression that you know something you are not telling me :-) ? But, no matter, I can wait. At this point even my host is virtual (not yet built). One great advantage of the virtual host is that when the time comes I will not repeat the mistake I made last time: building a machine that does not support hardware virtualization. -- David Wilkinson Visual C++ MVP
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06-01-2009	#20 (permalink)
Mark Rae [MVP] n/a posts	Re: WinVPC "David Wilkinson" <no-reply@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O0$SEjq4JHA.5616@xxxxxx Quote: > But, no matter, I can wait. At this point even my host is virtual (not yet > built). > > One great advantage of the virtual host Does VPC7 permit installation on a virtual host? AFAIK, VPC 2007 won't install on on a virtual machine... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
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