Vista - Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton?

07-28-2009

OK, let me start again with an easy question:

Does Microsoft have a P2V solution for converting a windows98 or windows
2000 machine to virtual PC?

07-28-2009

Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now.

I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a
windows95 machine.

I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd
physical hard drive to the host machine

Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC I
created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a D
drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I
can't remember which.

Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that
was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC.

Is this still the best way to do this?

Many thanks,
-Bob

07-29-2009

I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3
steps:

1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or USB
disk.
2. Create a VM.
3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore
option).

I've used this a number of times - never fails to work.

Dean

"Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>

Quote:

>>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now.
>>
>>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a
>>windows95 machine.
>>
>>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd
>>physical hard drive to the host machine
>>
>>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC
>>I
>>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a
>>D
>>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I
>>can't remember which.
>>
>>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that
>>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC.
>>
>>Is this still the best way to do this?
>>

>
> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a
> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-)
>
> The steps I took were:
> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to
> create a full system backup as a file on the PC.
> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed.
> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk.
> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install
> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten)
> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM
> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest
> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system
> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared
> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want
> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being
> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad.
> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made
> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences
> between the source and target machines.
> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the
> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in
> my case an HP printer software suite)
>
> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended.
>
> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis
> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free....
>
> --
> Bo Berglund

07-29-2009

"Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx

Quote:

> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a
> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-)
>
> The steps I took were:
> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to
> create a full system backup as a file on the PC.
> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed.
> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk.
> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install
> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten)
> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM
> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest
> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system
> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared
> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want
> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being
> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad.
> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made
> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences
> between the source and target machines.
> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the
> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in
> my case an HP printer software suite)
>
> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended.
>
> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis
> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free....

Nice job, Bo, getting it done without 3rd party software!

07-29-2009

Hello Dean,

Which version are you using? I just did a little reaserch and wondering if
the "Acronis True Image Home 2009 " will do what you say or do I need an
enterprise version?

Thanks,
-Bob

"DPM" <dm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OIX2%23EHEKHA.1376@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3
>steps:
>
> 1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or USB
> disk.
> 2. Create a VM.
> 3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore
> option).
>
> I've used this a number of times - never fails to work.
>
> Dean
>
> "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now.
>>>
>>>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a
>>>windows95 machine.
>>>
>>>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd
>>>physical hard drive to the host machine
>>>
>>>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC
>>>I
>>>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a
>>>D
>>>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I
>>>can't remember which.
>>>
>>>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that
>>>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC.
>>>
>>>Is this still the best way to do this?
>>>

>>
>> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a
>> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-)
>>
>> The steps I took were:
>> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to
>> create a full system backup as a file on the PC.
>> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed.
>> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk.
>> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install
>> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten)
>> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM
>> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest
>> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system
>> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared
>> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want
>> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being
>> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad.
>> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made
>> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences
>> between the source and target machines.
>> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the
>> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in
>> my case an HP printer software suite)
>>
>> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended.
>>
>> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis
>> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free....
>>
>> --
>> Bo Berglund

>
>

07-30-2009

Bob,

I'm using TrueImage Workstation version 9.1. I took a look at the Home
version, and it's not clear to me if it includes the bootable CD image which
is a "must" for P2V conversions; you can ask, of course. They also charge
extra for the "Universal Restore" option, but it really works great. It
will also allow you to image a working partition on one PC and move it to
another PC. Great software.

Disclaimer: I have no connection to Acronis other than being a satisfied
customer.

Dean

"just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:VbmdnQfO7otQJe3XnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hello Dean,
>
> Which version are you using? I just did a little reaserch and wondering if
> the "Acronis True Image Home 2009 " will do what you say or do I need an
> enterprise version?
>
> Thanks,
> -Bob
>
> "DPM" <dm@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OIX2%23EHEKHA.1376@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3
>>steps:
>>
>> 1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or
>> USB disk.
>> 2. Create a VM.
>> 3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore
>> option).
>>
>> I've used this a number of times - never fails to work.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now.
>>>>
>>>>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a
>>>>windows95 machine.
>>>>
>>>>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a
>>>>2nd
>>>>physical hard drive to the host machine
>>>>
>>>>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In
>>>>VPC I
>>>>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as
>>>>a D
>>>>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I
>>>>can't remember which.
>>>>
>>>>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and
>>>>that
>>>>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC.
>>>>
>>>>Is this still the best way to do this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a
>>> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-)
>>>
>>> The steps I took were:
>>> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to
>>> create a full system backup as a file on the PC.
>>> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed.
>>> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk.
>>> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install
>>> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten)
>>> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM
>>> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest
>>> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system
>>> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared
>>> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want
>>> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being
>>> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad.
>>> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made
>>> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences
>>> between the source and target machines.
>>> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the
>>> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in
>>> my case an HP printer software suite)
>>>
>>> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended.
>>>
>>> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis
>>> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free....
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bo Berglund

>>
>>

>
>

07-28-2009	#1 (permalink)
just bob n/a posts	Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? OK, let me start again with an easy question: Does Microsoft have a P2V solution for converting a windows98 or windows 2000 machine to virtual PC?
My System Specs

07-28-2009	#2 (permalink)
just bob n/a posts	Re: Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now. I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a windows95 machine. I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd physical hard drive to the host machine Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC I created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a D drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I can't remember which. Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC. Is this still the best way to do this? Many thanks, -Bob
My System Specs

07-29-2009	#3 (permalink)
DPM n/a posts	Re: Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3 steps: 1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or USB disk. 2. Create a VM. 3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore option). I've used this a number of times - never fails to work. Dean "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx Quote: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx> > wrote: > Quote: >>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now. >> >>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a >>windows95 machine. >> >>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd >>physical hard drive to the host machine >> >>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC >>I >>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a >>D >>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I >>can't remember which. >> >>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that >>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC. >> >>Is this still the best way to do this? >> > > I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a > Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-) > > The steps I took were: > 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to > create a full system backup as a file on the PC. > 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed. > 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk. > 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install > ISO file (this install will later be overwritten) > 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM > 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest > 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system > from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared > folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want > to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being > able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad. > 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made > a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences > between the source and target machines. > 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the > software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in > my case an HP printer software suite) > > After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended. > > You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis > with Universal Restore, but these are not for free.... > > -- > Bo Berglund
My System Specs

07-29-2009	#4 (permalink)
just bob n/a posts	Re: Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx Quote: > I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a > Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-) > > The steps I took were: > 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to > create a full system backup as a file on the PC. > 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed. > 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk. > 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install > ISO file (this install will later be overwritten) > 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM > 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest > 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system > from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared > folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want > to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being > able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad. > 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made > a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences > between the source and target machines. > 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the > software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in > my case an HP printer software suite) > > After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended. > > You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis > with Universal Restore, but these are not for free.... Nice job, Bo, getting it done without 3rd party software!
My System Specs

07-29-2009	#5 (permalink)
just bob n/a posts	Re: Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? Hello Dean, Which version are you using? I just did a little reaserch and wondering if the "Acronis True Image Home 2009 " will do what you say or do I need an enterprise version? Thanks, -Bob "DPM" <dm@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OIX2%23EHEKHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: >I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3 >steps: > > 1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or USB > disk. > 2. Create a VM. > 3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore > option). > > I've used this a number of times - never fails to work. > > Dean > > "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx Quote: >> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx> >> wrote: >> Quote: >>>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now. >>> >>>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a >>>windows95 machine. >>> >>>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a 2nd >>>physical hard drive to the host machine >>> >>>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In VPC >>>I >>>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as a >>>D >>>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I >>>can't remember which. >>> >>>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and that >>>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC. >>> >>>Is this still the best way to do this? >>> >> >> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a >> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-) >> >> The steps I took were: >> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to >> create a full system backup as a file on the PC. >> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed. >> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk. >> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install >> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten) >> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM >> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest >> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system >> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared >> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want >> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being >> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad. >> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made >> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences >> between the source and target machines. >> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the >> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in >> my case an HP printer software suite) >> >> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended. >> >> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis >> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free.... >> >> -- >> Bo Berglund > >
My System Specs

07-30-2009	#6 (permalink)
DPM n/a posts	Re: Does virtual PC have a P2V applicaiton? Bob, I'm using TrueImage Workstation version 9.1. I took a look at the Home version, and it's not clear to me if it includes the bootable CD image which is a "must" for P2V conversions; you can ask, of course. They also charge extra for the "Universal Restore" option, but it really works great. It will also allow you to image a working partition on one PC and move it to another PC. Great software. Disclaimer: I have no connection to Acronis other than being a satisfied customer. Dean "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:VbmdnQfO7otQJe3XnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@xxxxxx Quote: > Hello Dean, > > Which version are you using? I just did a little reaserch and wondering if > the "Acronis True Image Home 2009 " will do what you say or do I need an > enterprise version? > > Thanks, > -Bob > > "DPM" <dm@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OIX2%23EHEKHA.1376@xxxxxx Quote: >>I use Acronis TrueImage - the best solution I've found. Does a P2V in 3 >>steps: >> >> 1. Boot the TI CD and back up the drive you want to a network drive or >> USB disk. >> 2. Create a VM. >> 3. Boot the VM using TI CD, restore the drive (using Universal Restore >> option). >> >> I've used this a number of times - never fails to work. >> >> Dean >> >> "Bo Berglund" <bo.berglund@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:vcpv659t80rcfgl09lt98qp1vk2h20m10i@xxxxxx Quote: >>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:32:21 -0700, "just bob" <kilbyfan@xxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Per my original post, I was hoping MS had a better way now. >>>> >>>>I did one a couple years ago and from memory here is how I did it with a >>>>windows95 machine. >>>> >>>>I ghosted a windows95 box to image files and put the image files on a >>>>2nd >>>>physical hard drive to the host machine >>>> >>>>Then in the host machine I created a new virtual PC for Windows98. In >>>>VPC I >>>>created a blank vm hard drive for C, and added the 2nd physial drive as >>>>a D >>>>drive, and then booted it to a ISO or image file of a Ghost 2003 disc, I >>>>can't remember which. >>>> >>>>Then with Ghost runing I did a image-to-disk restore using Ghost and >>>>that >>>>was it: My physycal box was converted to VPC. >>>> >>>>Is this still the best way to do this? >>>> >>> >>> I don't know about Win98, it is way too old, but I have converted a >>> Win2000Pro machine to virtualPC. :-) >>> >>> The steps I took were: >>> 1- Inside of the source Win2000 I used the native backup tool to >>> create a full system backup as a file on the PC. >>> 2- Copied this file over to the PC where VirtualPC was installed. >>> 3- Created a new virtual machine with an empty virtual hard disk. >>> 4- Installed Windows2000 from scratch on this VM from a W200 install >>> ISO file (this install will later be overwritten) >>> 5- Installed the Virtual Machine Additions on this new VM >>> 6- Shared the host folder with the backup file to the guest >>> 7- Used the native W2000 backup utility to restore the full system >>> from the backup file now accessible to the guest via the shared >>> folder. This is where the new install is overwritten. You might want >>> to first take a copy of the VHD file on the host as a means of being >>> able to experiment more easily if the following steps go bad. >>> 8- Restarted the guest with the W2000 ISO install disk active and made >>> a repair install so that it could sort out the hardware differences >>> between the source and target machines. >>> 9- Started up the guest in safe mode and uninstalled all of the >>> software that was on the source machine for handling USB devices (in >>> my case an HP printer software suite) >>> >>> After this longish exercise the virtual machine worked as intended. >>> >>> You might want to save time by using more recent tools like Acronis >>> with Universal Restore, but these are not for free.... >>> >>> -- >>> Bo Berglund >> >> > >
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