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| | Windows 7 and virtualization I'm currently testing Windows 7 and the new Windows Virtual PC, and I discovered it doesn't support server OSes as guests. I use virtualization heavily for test labs, and I don't want to install Windows Server 2008 R2 on my computer to be able to use Hyper-V. What has Microsoft to offer to a professional who needs to create virtual labs on his computer, if he would like to stick with a Microsoft solution (as opposed to, say, VMWare)? Massimo |
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| | RE: Windows 7 and virtualization Massimo, I am afraid you may be limited to using VPC on Windows 7 if you are looking for a support Microsoft solution. There is a way to configure Windows 7 to install and run Virtual Server 2005 for running the server platforms that you require, but keep in mind that this is considered an unsupported configuration by Microsoft. http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...c-630c98074436 "Massimo" wrote: Quote: > I'm currently testing Windows 7 and the new Windows Virtual PC, and I > discovered it doesn't support server OSes as guests. > > I use virtualization heavily for test labs, and I don't want to install > Windows Server 2008 R2 on my computer to be able to use Hyper-V. > > What has Microsoft to offer to a professional who needs to create virtual > labs on his computer, if he would like to stick with a Microsoft solution > (as opposed to, say, VMWare)? > > > Massimo > > |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" <RogerJohnsonMCITPSAEA@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:2D04B8BF-7D96-4F47-9E5C-37500A7BF5AC@xxxxxx Quote: > Massimo, > > I am afraid you may be limited to using VPC on Windows 7 if you are > looking > for a support Microsoft solution. There is a way to configure Windows 7 to > install and run Virtual Server 2005 for running the server platforms that > you > require, but keep in mind that this is considered an unsupported > configuration by Microsoft. More score points for VMWare, I suppose... :-/ Massimo |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:36:33 +0200, "Massimo" <barone@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" ><RogerJohnsonMCITPSAEA@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio >news:2D04B8BF-7D96-4F47-9E5C-37500A7BF5AC@xxxxxx > Quote: >> Massimo, >> >> I am afraid you may be limited to using VPC on Windows 7 if you are >> looking >> for a support Microsoft solution. There is a way to configure Windows 7 to >> install and run Virtual Server 2005 for running the server platforms that >> you >> require, but keep in mind that this is considered an unsupported >> configuration by Microsoft. >I was afraid of the same thing. > >More score points for VMWare, I suppose... :-/ > The "supported" item refers to the possibility to call to Microsoft Support and get help if you get into trouble using a virtual machine with a "supported" operating system. This requires a "supported" combination. But in principle all Windows versions will run just fine on both VPC2007 and VS2005. You may even use both at the same time; VS2005 for the servers, which will autostart with the host system so they are always on (if so configured) and VPC2007 for the workstations, which are started manually. I very much doubt that VMWare will give much in the way of Windows support if you go that route.... So are you *really* planning to call Microsoft Support and spend money chasing down solutions to problems you *might* face down the road? Or did you simply misinterpret the "supported" specifier as "working"????? -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:ervv755l9e96694hpi5nt9tlr2vuomtl18@xxxxxx Quote: > But in principle all Windows versions will run just fine on both > VPC2007 and VS2005. And, even if they do, aren't they one big step behind more recent Microsoft virtualization solutions (Hyper-V and WVPC)? Massimo |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:59:47 +0200, "Massimo" <barone@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio >news:ervv755l9e96694hpi5nt9tlr2vuomtl18@xxxxxx > Quote: >> But in principle all Windows versions will run just fine on both >> VPC2007 and VS2005. >Yes, but do they work on Windows 7? answer is yes (as seen here in other posts, I have no Win7 machine myself to test on). Quote: >And, even if they do, aren't they one big step behind more recent Microsoft >virtualization solutions (Hyper-V and WVPC)? > VPC on Win7 is basically VPC2007 with some upgrades (for USB support) used in Win7 as an XP compatibility gadget. You do not need to install it (and you may not be able to if your hardware lacks VT support), instead you can use VPC2007 and/or VS2005. But you cannot install WVPC7 *and* VPC2007/VS2005. You have to choose. Hyper-V is a Windows Server 2008 role and has nothing whatever to do with Windows 7.... -- Bo Berglund (Sweden) |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:hqq0855m0aiiapogdqm8i9k45sdm0r46b0@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >>And, even if they do, aren't they one big step behind more recent >>Microsoft virtualization solutions (Hyper-V and WVPC)? >> > I am losing you now. What do you mean by this question? more (and perform better) than "older" virtualization technologies like VPC2007 and VS2005. Massimo |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization VPC2007 SP1, and VS2005 R2 SP1 both use VT as well, and probably earlier version as well, but I don't remember exactly when it was phased in. They just didn't require it... -- Bob Comer On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:38:48 +0200, "Massimo" <barone@xxxxxx> wrote: Quote: >"Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio >news:hqq0855m0aiiapogdqm8i9k45sdm0r46b0@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>>And, even if they do, aren't they one big step behind more recent >>>Microsoft virtualization solutions (Hyper-V and WVPC)? >>> >> I am losing you now. What do you mean by this question? >WVPC and Hyper-V make use of Intel VT, so I'm assuming they are something >more (and perform better) than "older" virtualization technologies like >VPC2007 and VS2005. > > >Massimo |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization "Massimo" <barone@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ORe0bwhGKHA.5956@xxxxxx Quote: > "Bo Berglund" <boberglund@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:hqq0855m0aiiapogdqm8i9k45sdm0r46b0@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>>And, even if they do, aren't they one big step behind more recent >>>Microsoft virtualization solutions (Hyper-V and WVPC)? >>> >> I am losing you now. What do you mean by this question? > WVPC and Hyper-V make use of Intel VT, so I'm assuming they are something > more (and perform better) than "older" virtualization technologies like > VPC2007 and VS2005. > > > Massimo > |
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| | Re: Windows 7 and virtualization Bare in mind that VMware do not actually "support" the guest O/S, they will just refer you back to vendor (i.e. Microsoft.) Stabbed or shot really...the preference is yours. "Massimo" <barone@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:O6Q0qTYGKHA.4608@xxxxxx Quote: > "Roger Johnson, MCITP (SA, EA)" > <RogerJohnsonMCITPSAEA@xxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:2D04B8BF-7D96-4F47-9E5C-37500A7BF5AC@xxxxxx > Quote: >> Massimo, >> >> I am afraid you may be limited to using VPC on Windows 7 if you are >> looking >> for a support Microsoft solution. There is a way to configure Windows 7 >> to >> install and run Virtual Server 2005 for running the server platforms that >> you >> require, but keep in mind that this is considered an unsupported >> configuration by Microsoft. > I was afraid of the same thing. > > More score points for VMWare, I suppose... :-/ > > > Massimo > |
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